Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Started by Omega Vision91 pages

Originally posted by quanchi112
True, they are to varying degrees different. The point is his argument is multiversal>universal. That's not the case.

There's no limit to the power the power gem can bring.


If that was the case then Thanos should have been turned to powder or paste the first time Thor hit him when he had the PG. You can argue Thor wasn't using it to its fullest which may be true but it still doesn't help the fact that we've seen it clearly has limits. Unless you believe Thanos has infinity+1 durability.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
If that was the case then Thanos should have been turned to powder or paste the first time Thor hit him when he had the PG. You can argue Thor wasn't using it to its fullest which may be true but it still doesn't help the fact that we've seen it clearly has limits. Unless you believe Thanos has infinity+1 durability.
If you are suggesting it has limits then you are ignoring on panel statements. Thor wasn't as adept as Thanos was with it, but he was gaining power with each passing second to break free from the pure force block.

There are levels of infinity in marvel. I see someone like the Lt above the ig's levels of infinity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
If you are suggesting it has limits then you are ignoring on panel statements. Thor wasn't as adept as Thanos was with it, but he was gaining power with each passing second to break free from the pure force block.

There are levels of infinity in marvel. I see someone like the Lt above the ig's levels of infinity.


And this is why I think writers should learn more adjectives to describe high levels of power.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And this is why I think writers should learn more adjectives to describe high levels of power.
Ig>Celestials>cube beings.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Ig>Celestials>cube beings.

That's great, still doesn't change the fact that comics writers suck with numbers and scales. Different levels of infinity is an oxymoron.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
That's great, still doesn't change the fact that comics writers suck with numbers and scales. Different levels of infinity is an oxymoron.
A lot of the stuff they put out is ridiculous. Most of the writers probably view it as a job and would laugh their asses off at us analyzing everything and probavly tell us they wrote it in because it sounded cool not because they did all this research on the character.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Living Tribunal intervened with Eternity's second petition because Adam Warlock was unstable and would destroy the universe.
wait, LT intervene just coz a universe coud be destroyed?? 😕

Thanos travelled across planes of existence, inconceivable realities and dimensions to the Nexus of Reality. But not across alternate universes.
but universe=reality. they use "reality" like, all the time when they talk of universe!
even 616 often refered to as "reality", alternate universes refered to as alternate realities...

btw if we go by FEATS only then we can also say that UN > LT 😄

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw if we go by FEATS only then we can also say that UN > LT 😄
Don't give odg any ideas.

The IG can't be used outside of it's natural universe but it can still affect other universes that's what I'm thinking.

iirc Magus used it outside 616 (not sure where he was tho)

Well maybe they retconned it

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Recently there was a comic which featured multiple Reed Richards using multiple IGs at once.
smells like a retcon 😬 like beyonder or somethin
originaly the gems are portrayd as unique

IMO the OP ment classic IG not current IG ^_^

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you don't know if it could or couldn't. Even by your own reasoning the distance it covers doesn't mean it's more powerful per say. I guess by your own standards since Odin can affect the multiverse then he is more powerful than the ig. Because basically that's what your logic boils down to.

That wasn't anywhere near the level of power he could bring to the table. I guess Lt had nothing to worry about since he could undo an entire reality being destroyed, right? Because if he can undo the very best the ig can bring to the table then why can't he undo a destroyed reality in the midst of their battle.

What are you talking about? I just gave an instance where it shows the UN manipulating reality! There is no question whether it could or it couldn't. It did. Invisible Woman miscarried in a storyline in 1984. Now she's pregnant with Valeria in a storyline in 2002. Every single person in this thread has pointed out how your constant harping about Odin causing shockwaves through the multiverse is complete and utter ludicrousness. Odin NEVER destroyed/recreated the Marvel Multiverse NOR did he ever even come close to threatening it. So stop trying to act like you're being clever in pointing out ANYTHING that might undermine my position. Posting for the sake of posting is trolling and THAT'S what your logic (or lack thereof) boils down to.

Utter gibberish. I can't even follow what you just said other than you agreeing that LT had nothing to worry about. Truth.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I don't hear a thing because your logic is and always has been flawed here. You seem to be fixated on the un and get overly excited when discussing it. You tend to make things up and pretend they are actual facts.
"Make things up?" Like what? That within the context of the entire Marvel Multiverse, the UN was considered the "weapon of unimaginable power" by the omniversal guardian, Roma? On-panel.

That Abraxas' plan was revealed and the UN was actually confirmed as being powerful enough to destroy the "combined realities of the multiverse" three issues before it actually did? On-panel.

That before Galactus was resurrected, Abraxas also confirmed that his current possession of the UN meant "not a soul in the combined universes" could stop him? On-panel.

That although Abraxas never intended to fire the UN for the same reason Reed did, Reed did fire it. And he destroyed/recreated that very same Multi-Eternity that was revealed in THAT storyline? On-panel.

Could you be more possibly ignorant that "multiverse" wasn't stated at all? Do you really need some writer to be interviewed off-panel to recognize the obvious multiversal scope and ramifications of what occurred? And you actually profess to have read this storyline? But seriously. What should I expect? When you think universe = multiverse, without multiverse even ever being stated or shown in one storyline, why should I be surprised when you think multiverse = only one universe in another storyline? Should I be surprised? Especially when it suits your own self-serving arguments? Especially when I force you to contradict your own beliefs withina debate so you can act like you have wiggle room to actually rebut my arguments? And sadly for you... these scans aren't even the half of it! What. Are. You. Thinking?

Originally posted by quanchi112
The Lt did hesitate. It's right on panel. He contemplated taking the ig from him and if he could. It wasn't an immediate yes.

No, it's entirely different using superman. We have a) on panel the ig easily wiping out half the universe with a snap of a finger. b)proof that in the 616 reality save Lt's interference the ig is without a doubt supreme. c) mastery over soul, mind, space, reality, time, and pay attention to this one[B]Power. That means there is no limit to the power it can bring. It can summon it from anywhere as well. Hmmmmmmmm.

I guess you don't have any proof. Just learn from this and don't let me corner you like this again. It's kinda pathetic.[/B]

The LT never hesitated. As soon as Eternity asked for LT's judgment, LT stood up from his seat and proclaimed, "So shall you have it!" At that point, Warlock starts pontificating about how he's master of all aspects of the Infinity Gems. And you know what LT does? He IMMEDIATELY responds, "Yes. And know that I rule AGAINST you." At that point, LT starts lecturing him on what kind of childish god Warlock sees himself to be that he would destroy his own universe to keep a power he was never meant to have. What hesitation? LT verbally OWNED him. And Warlock confirmed that this was unassailable since he could tell his own future.

It's not entirely different from the stupid Superman analogy at all based on your logic. Because you act like the IG hasn't shown limitations to its "Powah" as had Superman. Well it has. Several times. It's extremely hard to ignore, especially when the full IG couldn't (i) obliterate Maelstrom, (ii) had it's destructive effects completely reversed by the LT with a snap of the fingers, (iii) got one-shotted by Surfer, (iv) couldn't even penetrate Grandmaster's mind. Gimme a break! Hmmmmmmmm.

Don't project your own desperation onto me. It's inimitably clear that you haven't a leg to stand on and the only way you can hope to save face is by acting like you've got the advantage and extending a desperate false bravado. Just learn that you're not fooling anybody. It's kinda pathetic.

Originally posted by iceman24567

The IG can't be used outside of it's natural universe
but it can still affect other universes that's what I'm thinking.


If that were true,
Magus would not have been able to merge the 616 Universe with another entire 616 Universe duplicate,
while standing in a third separate entire Universe. (FAR from 616)

Originally posted by Omega Vision

That's great, still doesn't change the fact that comics writers suck with numbers and scales. Different levels of infinity is an oxymoron.


DOn't blame writers for that, because they didn't come up with that concept,
blame Cantor,
the renowned mathematician in the real world that discovered trans-infinity,
that's where/what Marvel is basing their levels of infinity on.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer

iirc Magus used it outside 616 (not sure where he was tho)


Correct!

Originally posted by iceman24567

Well maybe they retconned it


If the 616 IG was stated to be constricted to the 616 Reality only recently, then yes,
if not, then obviously no.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

And since there is but one LT in the entire Omniverse and theoretically an infinite number of IGs across the entire multiverse it means that the LT might have been simultaneously dealing with an infinite number of IG crisis. The idea that he was confident in his ability to simultaneously deal with multiple IGs says to me that the IG wasn't even close to him in terms of power.


Not every Universe is built the same in terms of history,
so there isn't an IG in every single alternate reality.

The LT is above the IG, this a fact, but the LT never confronted more than one IG,
the 616 IG that is.

The 616 IG is the only IG to perform mutli-Universal feats,
including stomping the power of all Universes (616 Eternity)
including making the UN its b*tch.

Originally posted by starlock
You know..i have been going thru this thread..and i have formed an opinon.....i am trying to distance myself from how bad i thought FC is and Superman Beyond...and with the exception of a tie in or two.....it was just horrible.....but i do try and be fair......when i envision a IG wielder in a forum match....i see the ability to determine reality..in totality......unless the opponent is a omnipotent...or an item of equal or greater feats(the HOTU) etc...i dont see a cosmic armor capable of adapting to anything...as something that will be protected from the IG...and with a weilder who has used it before...i cant give Superman CA the win

Thanos IG for the win


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