Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
It has been made quite clear. The ig is the supreme force in it's reality hands down. It doesn't lack anything powerwise. It seems you want to ignore the power gems capabilities and the ig's potential to scratch and claw your way for the un.

It can draw power from anywhere. I guess on panel statements only work when concerning the un. I guess every statement concerning the power gem and it's abilities are false. I love showing everyone how narrow minded you are. I don't refuse to accept what I don't want to accept like you do.

I love how you ginore even a full IG's limitations.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Magus didn't even have the reality gem, sport. LOL. An incomplete ig user pwned a un user quite easily. It manipulated it. Power gem can leech off power from the un.

I've schooled you before in the past and you have been incorrect about stories details in the past as well. Don't act like a supreme nerd just because you studied this story and I read it once practically a year ago. That still doesn't prove it's more powerful as I have proven.

Supreme=ig not supreme=un. On panel.

"Schooled?" "Supreme nerd?" Take it down a notch. Escalation into ad hominem ain't your forte. That tends to require subtlety and tact, of which you are clearly lacking. And throwing around insults simply because you've been cornered on an argument reveals nothing but immaturity or an inability to handle losing. Pick one. Just because you were embarassed in an argument doesn't mean you have to embarass yourself personally. Get a grip.

Less powerful=ig more powerful=un. On panel.

I get the feeling OneDumbG0 simply enjoys trouncing every word quanchi spews from his keyboard.

If I didn't know better, I'd go as far as to say that quanchi just clicks the "reply" button, and randomly (and vigorously) open-palm-smacks his keyboard, and/or bashes his head against it a few times... Then clicks the "submit" button.

...Ok, Ok. I know the above might be a bit of an exaggeration, but that is literally how much respect he seems to get from.... Everyone around here (even the mods.) Heh.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It didn't kill Maelstrom. Oops. Projecting your own desperation onto me doesn't change the fact that I have on-panel proof that the UN has accomplished a feat that far outstrips anything the IG has ever accomplished. That's just a fact.

I love how you ginore even a full IG's limitations. Exactly. It pwned a "un user." That doesn't make the ig more powerful than the un though. Only if you rely on the "handgun > rocket launcher" analogy or the "Black Alice > Spectre" analogy.

"Schooled?" "Supreme nerd?" Take it down a notch. Escalation into ad hominem ain't your forte. That tends to require subtlety and tact, of which you are clearly lacking. And throwing around insults simply because you've been cornered on an argument reveals nothing but immaturity or an inability to handle losing. Pick one. Just because you were embarassed in an argument doesn't mean you have to embarass yourself personally. Get a grip.

Less powerful=ig more powerful=un. On panel.

The only fact is that while both were on panel the ig has showed itself to be superior which was backed up by a writer who handled both plot devices. Your story was written by the same guy who one moment has Rulk downing watchers and the next struggling with wolverine. Loeb. Not only that but this story was minus the ig.

The artifacts won't attack each other my friend so it's user vs. user. The ig was missing a vital piece to boot.

I wasn't embarrassed by any means. You yourself pick and choose which statements you want to believe.

Here's two scans for you further proving the power gem/ig is more powerful.

Then when have Thanos saying with but a thought he can draw strength from infinity. The first scan was Magus with a thought(power gem and incomplete ig manipulating the un). So I guess I just proved the power gem can manipulate energies/the un with but a thought and actually siphon off it's power just like I said.

Yeah, I won this debate with proof. Be humble and move on.

Originally posted by Merlyn
I get the feeling OneDumbG0 simply enjoys trouncing every word quanchi spews from his keyboard.

If I didn't know better, I'd go as far as to say that quanchi just clicks the "reply" button, and randomly (and vigorously) open-palm-smacks his keyboard, and/or bashes his head against it a few times... Then clicks the "submit" button.

...Ok, Ok. I know the above might be a bit of an exaggeration, but that is literally how much respect he seems to get from.... Everyone around here (even the mods.) Heh.

When I see the magus scene I think of it not as the power gem but the mind gem being used on the weilder to get him to shoot himself...

My interpretation anyways

Okay a few question ODG as I'm curious about a few things...

1. You say that just because the IG beat the UN with their respective users doesn't make it more powerful as the UN has the greater of the feats. I agree that just because the IG won doesn't mean it can replicate a feat the UN has done which is superior. No argument there. However, just because one has a greater feat that doesn't necessarily mean it's greater as well correct? I mean if you want to use the handgun analogy... Just because Reed has a greater feat (mapping of the omniverse) does that mean he's smarter and more capable than Doom? Just because Mxy has greater feats than the Ultimator doesn't that make him superior when on panel narration makes it clear he is below the Ultimator? In all their encounters I believe Sabertooth has gotten the better of Wolv. yet Wolv has the greater feats.. Does that mean he's superior when he's lost more time than not? You see just because one has a greater feat.. doesn't necessarily make him superior. Than in itself is a fallacy. So, if it work one way, then you also have to apply that same logic as I just did. So, you give more weight to something that accomplishes a better feat, even though when they met it was shown to be inferior? That doesn't make total sense either.

2. To build on that... We have a direct confrontation between the two and the AUTHOR of said story making it very clear through narration, on panel depictions and subsequent interviews, that the IG is superior when confronted by the U.N. You can claim quasar this and that but the subsequent interviews make it clear the authors intent. He felt the IG was superior in a direct confrontation. Period. That does matter and isn't irrelevant. As I pointed out to you earlier.. being superior is very subjective and I showed that one could also feel the IG is superior based on many things.

3. Furthermore, just because one has done somethign another hasn't does that mean the other thing can't do it? You should also know that is a fallacy buddy. Just because Orion has done something DS never has doesn't that mean DS couldn't do it? Just because eternity has done something on panel but the LT, infinity etc etc hasn't. That means they couldn't? Nah it also doesn't work that way either.

4. We know the 616 is foundation for everything in the marvel omniverse. You change stuff in that universe you can change many things throughout the multiverse. So, we've seen and its been made quite clear through direct confrontation that the IG is supeior in its reality and the UN has lost. You can claim well if quasar this and that but again that is pure speculation on your part. What we have is the IG beating the UN period. So, if the uN decided to totally mess with the Multiverse yet the IG is with Thanos in the 616.. isn't it fair to say that Thanos being supreme in the 616 would be just fine and the 616 not affected. The UN could do whatever it wants to the rest of the Multiverse but the IG with lets say Thanos in the616 would be just fine. Just fine and at a place that is the foundation of all of Marvel. correct?

You seem to want to say the UN is superior based on one feat. While I brought up how that is subjective and many would feel the IG is superior and choose it instead. To go further.. I guess it's your stance that having one greater feat.. mean more than said thing losing a one v one confrontation. That again is something that isn't set in stone and totally subjective. I think it's fair to say many people would choose a direct confrontation as carrying more weight in the superior catagory.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig didn't also kill Eternity either. Do you honestly think the blast that was used against Maelstrom would have defeated Eternity? Do you think before you post?

The only fact is that while both were on panel the ig has showed itself to be superior which was backed up by a writer who handled both plot devices. Your story was written by the same guy who one moment has Rulk downing watchers and the next struggling with wolverine. Loeb. Not only that but this story was minus the ig.

That's not a fact, that's an erroneous projection that confuses actor with artifact. It's canon. And projecting the ridiculousness of Rulk onto the Abraxas storyline doesn't suffice to limit its validity.

Originally posted by quanchi112
The artifacts won't attack each other my friend so it's user vs. user. The ig was missing a vital piece to boot.

I wasn't embarrassed by any means. You yourself pick and choose which statements you want to believe.

Irony defined.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here's two scans for you further proving the power gem/ig is more powerful.

Then when have Thanos saying with but a thought he can draw strength from infinity. The first scan was Magus with a thought(power gem and incomplete ig manipulating the un). So I guess I just proved the power gem can manipulate energies/the un with but a thought and actually siphon off it's power just like I said.

Yeah, I won this debate with proof. Be humble and move on.

False bravado doesn't change the outcome of occurred in this thread. you basically made an argument while ignoring that one artifact has shown to be more powerful than the other on-panel. Then, when confronted with that simple fact, you changed your mind in this very thread and started rejecting that such a thing ever happened. Then, instead of actually reading it, you demanded I prove you were wrong. And when I refused initially because I'm not your personal scan-servant, you acted gleefully like you had cornered me. Then when I had enough of your horsing around, I proved you wrong. And somehow... you won?

This isn't Bizarro-world. And if you'd stop bringing up these false mischaracterizations, we could move past this. But for whatever reason, you simply refuse to stop exposing what a trainwreck your arguments have been. More power to you. As long as you keep trying to mischaracterize what happened, I've got no problem correcting you.

u sure BA stole Specters powers? 🤨 iirc she had trouble with them like she coudnt completely take & control them and specter wuz never made powerless...

specters power WAY to inconsistent anyway 😬

^ Yeah. I'm sure. She never had trouble with them or using them. She just proceeded to trash Eclipso with them. Spectre was an insubstantial ghost until he regained his powers. And whether Spectre is inconsistent or not doesn't matter. Black Alice did the same with classic Dr. Fate and Zatanna. And in isolation, they are also both more powerful than Black Alice.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You see just because one has a greater feat.. doesn't necessarily make him superior. Than in itself is a fallacy.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
To build on that... We have a direct confrontation between the two and the AUTHOR of said story making it very clear through narration, on panel depictions and subsequent interviews, that the IG is superior when confronted by the U.N. You can claim quasar this and that but the subsequent interviews make it clear the authors intent. He felt the IG was superior in a direct confrontation. Period. That does matter and isn't irrelevant. As I pointed out to you earlier.. being superior is very subjective and I showed that one could also feel the IG is superior based on many things.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, just because one has done somethign another hasn't does that mean the other thing can't do it? You should also know that is a fallacy buddy. Just because Orion has done something DS never has doesn't that mean DS couldn't do it? Just because eternity has done something on panel but the LT, infinity etc etc hasn't. That means they couldn't? Nah it also doesn't work that way either.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Yeah. I'm sure. She never had trouble with them or using them. She just proceeded to trash Eclipso with them. Spectre was an insubstantial ghost until he regained his powers. And whether Spectre is inconsistent or not doesn't matter. Black Alice did the same with classic Dr. Fate and Zatanna. And in isolation, they are also both more powerful than Black Alice. It's not a fallacy. It's simply proof. And with that proof you logically surmise that one is superior because it has a superior feat. That's the application of logic, not the avoidance of logic. You're trying to use a negative proof fallacy without realizing it. It doesn't matter that I can't prove that the IG couldn't destroy/recreate the Marvel Multiverse and thus conclude that it is necessarily inferior. Using speculation and the possibility that the IG has a chance of replicating or surpassing the UN's feat doesn't override the evidentiary comparison that the UN > IG based on feats. Even if I were to grant your assumption that Starlin considered the IG > UN (which I don't agree with at all), that doesn't negate the fact that you had an author later on show that the UN was capable of exponentially much more than the IG ever has. If you want to consider Starlin's intentions, then you have to do so equally with respect to other author's. Comics aren't static. Comics are a narrative that continues to build on itself. So when you have a later comic that changes a dynamic that (arguably) is established earlier on, you can't just ignore that. To do so would be self-serving. Especially in the context of a debate, regardless of whether or not I disagree with you concerning Starlin's intentions. Negative proof fallacy again. The speculative possibility that the IG could match/surpass the UN does not override the essential fact that the UN has shown to have accomplished an exponentially greater feat. This isn't about you unfairly shifting burdens around. The reason that this type of thinking is a logical fallacy is because if you use a negative proof fallacy and say, "Well it's never proven that the IG couldn't match that feat." Then I can use that same negative proof fallacy and say, "Well it's never proven that the UN couldn't do even better than it already did." And guess what? It would go on infinitely based on pure speculation. That isn't an argument, that's an excuse. And it doesn't beat on-panel proof.

1. You forgot the examples to show how this is exactly pertinent to this discussion. So then, by your logical assumptions, your saying Reed is greater than Doom correct. Reed has shown the greater feat of the two and something Doom has never done. Reed with the IB totally re-mapped the entire omniverse using his mind as a blueprint. An exponentially great feat. Yet, Doom has never done anything even close to that and certainly not that. So, by your line of thinking that means Reed greater than Doom correct? I also used the example of Mxy and the Ulimator which you also didn't address. Mxy has the greater feats yet through on panel narration it was made clear mxy is inferior to the Ultimator. So, then I'm guessing you feel Mxy is superior based on the fact he has greater feats? As I pointed out with these examples and there are many others... Just because one has the ONE greater feat doesn't mean it's superior. Especially when you can also go by direct confrontations and the fact that one has never attempted to duplicate said feats. That is all I was trying to show. It could mean said thing or person is greater but as I've shown that isn't necessarily the case all the time.

2. Your position is that a later author granted the UN the greater of the feats and thus in your mind that makes it superior. However, we have a previous author saying the IG is superior and actually has them fight in a direct confrontation. As you have to admit.. it's debatable then which is superior and it goes to which you like better. A direct confrontation or the one greater feat. However, IMO if you have a direct fight and one proves superior. Than you have the losing object do a feat that the IG has never tried.. that to you overrides the previous showing where it lost and now makes it superior.. Hmmmm that doesn't quite add up in my mind and certainly not bullet proof by any means

3. So, you are saying that Orion is greater than DS? Orion with the motherbox did a Reedesque feat that DS has never attempted or replicated. One could argue that is the greater of the feats between the two. So, then Orion greater than DS? I agree an argument could go on and on as you point in with this line of thinking. That wasn't my intent. My intent was to show that just because someone does something another hasn't.. doesn't mean said person couldn't do it. That is indisputable. There are countless examples of this in comics... Just because Eternity has done something the LT, Infinity, Oblivion etc does that mean said people couldn't? You have to concede that isn't necessarily true. I can concede it might be but you also must concede that unless they tried to replicate the exact feat and failed we will never 100% know what would or wouldn't happen

4. You didn't address my point on 4. Lets say the IG beats the UN in a direct confrontation for arguments sake. Okay so we are working with that premise. Ok so lets say Galactus wants to remake, make changes to other universes etc etc. Yet we have Thanos with the IG in the 616. The prime/foundation for all of Marvel. Isn't it fair to say that Thanos could be just fine and at a place that is the foundation for all of Marvel. Thus, changes he could make in the 616 could undo changes made in other universes by the UN. That is fair enough to say right?

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Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. You forgot the examples to show how this is exactly pertinent to this discussion. So then, by your logical assumptions, your saying Reed is greater than Doom correct. Reed has shown the greater feat of the two and something Doom has never done. Reed with the IB totally re-mapped the entire omniverse using his mind as a blueprint. An exponentially great feat. Yet, Doom has never done anything even close to that and certainly not that. So, by your line of thinking that means Reed greater than Doom correct? I also used the example of Mxy and the Ulimator which you also didn't address. Mxy has the greater feats yet through on panel narration it was made clear mxy is inferior to the Ultimator. So, then I'm guessing you feel Mxy is superior based on the fact he has greater feats? As I pointed out with these examples and there are many others... Just because one has the ONE greater feat doesn't mean it's superior. Especially when you can also go by direct confrontations and the fact that one has never attempted to duplicate said feats. That is all I was trying to show. It could mean said thing or person is greater but as I've shown that isn't necessarily the case all the time.

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Originally posted by rotiart
When I see the magus scene I think of it not as the power gem but the mind gem being used on the weilder to get him to shoot himself...

My interpretation anyways

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I posted that a full IG has shown limitations. How or why you choose to ignore this when making bald-faced assertions that the Power Gem is limitless is your own concern.

That's not a fact, that's an erroneous projection that confuses actor with artifact. It's canon. And projecting the ridiculousness of Rulk onto the Abraxas storyline doesn't suffice to limit its validity. You went like two whole osts before confusing yourself again. It's never about user vs user. It's about which artifact is more powerful. Because you've asserted that the IG is clearly multiversal in power because it's more powerful than the UN and therefore, it should beat the CA. That's not the case, because the IG isn't more powerful than the UN in the first place.

Irony defined. Not really. Because guess what? Black Alice maniuplate dteh Spectreforce energies. She even stripped them completely from Spectre. Does that make Black Alice herself more powerful than Spectre? Hell no. That's stupid, because we know that in isolation, Spectre has greater feats than Black Alice. And this is why you'll always fail at trying to equivocate around this.

False bravado doesn't change the outcome of occurred in this thread. you basically made an argument while ignoring that one artifact has shown to be more powerful than the other on-panel. Then, when confronted with that simple fact, you changed your mind in this very thread and started rejecting that such a thing ever happened. Then, instead of actually reading it, you demanded I prove you were wrong. And when I refused initially because I'm not your personal scan-servant, you acted gleefully like you had cornered me. Then when I had enough of your horsing around, I proved you wrong. And somehow... you won?

This isn't Bizarro-world. And if you'd stop bringing up these false mischaracterizations, we could move past this. But for whatever reason, you simply refuse to stop exposing what a trainwreck your arguments have been. More power to you. As long as you keep trying to mischaracterize what happened, I've got no problem correcting you.

An incomplete ig manipulated the ig with a thought. Did you miss my scan explaining what the power gem can do? I mean it's staring you right in the face and you keep going with this charade.

Would that blast have killed Eternity? Was that blast the ultimate attack an ig can bring to bear? Answer the questions because I'd like to see you further dig a hole for yourself.

So on one hand you say Quasar is an idiot and not someone to be taken seriously as Reed and equate the bad showing to the user and on the other you are saying the user can be left out of the equation. Which is it? You can't seem to make up your mind.

Black Alice isn't mastery of reality, space, time, POWER, mind, and soul. Did you notice the one I have in caps? The ig isn't some parasitic plot device that's basically powerless before stealing off someone else's powers. That's a huge difference I'd say. Words like supreme within the universe and what not also come to mind that don't with Alice. The power gem/ig is more powerful and leeches energy from anywhere it wants at any time with no limits. It has punked Celestials who also possess infinite power like children. It's way up there.

Why do you recap this thread according to you in each post? My argument stomps yours and the power gem/what the ig minus the reality gem did to the un which is manipulate it's own energies with a thought on panel. I know you reject everything outside of ff 46-49 and the annual that went along with it but come on. It even kept them big so you can sink in the knowledge.

Not more power to me more power to the power gem. It manipulates the un's own energies with a thought as it does all power in the 616 reality at the time.

actualy if BA can steal all Zatannas power then she IS more powerfull then Zatanna

jus like Proteges (potentialy) more powerfull then Living Tribunal

^ Doom stole all of Surfer's power once. Doom is not more powerful than Surfer.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
1. You forgot the examples to show how this is exactly pertinent to this discussion. So then, by your logical assumptions, your saying Reed is greater than Doom correct. Reed has shown the greater feat of the two and something Doom has never done. Reed with the IB totally re-mapped the entire omniverse using his mind as a blueprint. An exponentially great feat. Yet, Doom has never done anything even close to that and certainly not that. So, by your line of thinking that means Reed greater than Doom correct? I also used the example of Mxy and the Ulimator which you also didn't address. Mxy has the greater feats yet through on panel narration it was made clear mxy is inferior to the Ultimator. So, then I'm guessing you feel Mxy is superior based on the fact he has greater feats? As I pointed out with these examples and there are many others... Just because one has the ONE greater feat doesn't mean it's superior. Especially when you can also go by direct confrontations and the fact that one has never attempted to duplicate said feats. That is all I was trying to show. It could mean said thing or person is greater but as I've shown that isn't necessarily the case all the time.

2. Your position is that a later author granted the UN the greater of the feats and thus in your mind that makes it superior. However, we have a previous author saying the IG is superior and actually has them fight in a direct confrontation. As you have to admit.. it's debatable then which is superior and it goes to which you like better. A direct confrontation or the one greater feat. However, IMO if you have a direct fight and one proves superior. Than you have the losing object do a feat that the IG has never tried.. that to you overrides the previous showing where it lost and now makes it superior.. Hmmmm that doesn't quite add up in my mind and certainly not bullet proof by any means

2) You're assuming your conclusion that the UN lost. It didn't. Quasar lost. The UN didn't lose. You're confusing user with artifact again and using "handgun > rocket launcher" rationale. I thought we already settled that.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. So, you are saying that Orion is greater than DS? Orion with the motherbox did a Reedesque feat that DS has never attempted or replicated. One could argue that is the greater of the feats between the two. So, then Orion greater than DS? I agree an argument could go on and on as you point in with this line of thinking. That wasn't my intent. My intent was to show that just because someone does something another hasn't.. doesn't mean said person couldn't do it. That is indisputable. There are countless examples of this in comics... Just because Eternity has done something the LT, Infinity, Oblivion etc does that mean said people couldn't? You have to concede that isn't necessarily true. I can concede it might be but you also must concede that unless they tried to replicate the exact feat and failed we will never 100% know what would or wouldn't happen

4. You didn't address my point on 4. Lets say the IG beats the UN in a direct confrontation for arguments sake. Okay so we are working with that premise. Ok so lets say Galactus wants to remake, make changes to other universes etc etc. Yet we have Thanos with the IG in the 616. The prime/foundation for all of Marvel. Isn't it fair to say that Thanos could be just fine and at a place that is the foundation for all of Marvel. Thus, changes he could make in the 616 could undo changes made in other universes by the UN. That is fair enough to say right?

3) You're still using a negative proof fallacy. I don't have to prove that something can't possibly be true. And neither does speculation override a conclusion based on evidence.

4) I don't know what the point of assuming the IG beats the UN directly, other than that's pretty much what you've been doing half the time. The other half of the time, you've been trying to find loopholes or use fallacies to justify your assumption that it can. Furthermore, these artifacts aren't floating around in the ether combatting each other. That's what you, quanchi112 and others like to think essentially happened when Quasar was killed by Magus. Which is again, the "handgun > rocket launcher" analogy. The only way your premise works, is if assume the IG is more powerful than the UN. You have to assume that to get to where you're getting.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Doom stole all of Surfer's power once. Doom is not more powerful than Surfer. 1) If that's your interpretation of what Reed did with the Alien Being, then of course you would logically surmise that Reed is "greater" than Doom until proven otherwise. You'll have to be more specific with Ultimator and Mxy. If Mxy himself was powerless against Ultimator, than that's positive proof that Ultimator > Mxy. That's exactly in line with what I'm saying.

2) You're assuming your conclusion that the UN lost. It didn't. Quasar lost. The UN didn't lose. You're confusing user with artifact again and using "handgun > rocket launcher" rationale. I thought we already settled that.

3) You're still using a negative proof fallacy. I don't have to prove that something can't possibly be true. And neither does speculation override a conclusion based on evidence.

4) I don't know what the point of assuming the IG beats the UN directly, other than that's pretty much what you've been doing half the time. The other half of the time, you've been trying to find loopholes or use fallacies to justify your assumption that it can. Furthermore, these artifacts aren't floating around in the ether combatting each other. That's what you, quanchi112 and others like to think essentially happened when Quasar was killed by Magus. Which is again, the "handgun > rocket launcher" analogy. The only way your premise works, is if assume the IG is more powerful than the UN. You have to assume that to get to where you're getting.

The power gem makes thoughts a reality and it even trumped the un's with a thought on panel just like I stated.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
Pardon, The reason the Ultimator was greater than Mxy is because Mxy in a direct confrontation could not do anything to the ultimator. It is a big difference between the IG and UN and Mxy and the Ultimator. the IG never deflected any energy from the UN. Hell, All he had to do was basically make Quasar's finger slip and the Un killed quasar on it's own, as it always was said to be able to do. Destroy the user.

YOu actually proved my point exactly. They had a direct confrontation and the IG won period. It was made further clear with the line that went something like.. Even the universe most destructive weapon is casually dismissed with but a thought. That further illustrates what the Author was trying to convey. To back that up further.. is subsequent interviews the author made it further clear which he felt was superior. You proved my point. Thanks

mxy wasn't powerless against ultimator - quite the opposite in fact. after all, the comics mxy created were the means through which she (ultimator) was ultimately (npi) 'subdued'.

Originally posted by Galan007
mxy wasn't powerless against the ultimator (quite the opposite in fact.) after all, the comics he created were the means through which ultimator was 'subdued'.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
YOu actually proved my point exactly. They had a direct confrontation and the IG won period. It was made further clear with the line that went something like.. Even the universe most destructive weapon is casually dismissed with but a thought. That further illustrates what the Author was trying to convey. To back that up further.. is subsequent interviews the author made it further clear which he felt was superior. You proved my point. Thanks