Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did so to further expound upon the inconsistencies of the writer responsible for the arc. Of course it doesn't matter to you nothing does. No matter how badly I have shown you up you will still show ignorance.

An incomplete ig manipulated the ig with a thought. Did you miss my scan explaining what the power gem can do? I mean it's staring you right in the face and you keep going with this charade.

Full IG couldn't kill Maelstrom. Ignorance is bliss I know. Manipulation doesn't prove superiority. Otherwise Doom is more powerful than Surfer. It's common sense. Apply it.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Would that blast have killed Eternity? Was that blast the ultimate attack an ig can bring to bear? Answer the questions because I'd like to see you further dig a hole for yourself.

So on one hand you say Quasar is an idiot and not someone to be taken seriously as Reed and equate the bad showing to the user and on the other you are saying the user can be left out of the equation. Which is it? You can't seem to make up your mind.

I'm saying that manipulating a small localized sphere of nullification doesn't mean you have the power to destroy/recreate the entire Marvel Multiverse. Same as if Human Torch siphoning a small portion of heat from Firelord doesn't mean that Human Torch is Herald+.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Black Alice isn't mastery of reality, space, time, POWER, mind, and soul. Did you notice the one I have in caps? The ig isn't some parasitic plot device that's basically powerless before stealing off someone else's powers. That's a huge difference I'd say. Words like supreme within the universe and what not also come to mind that don't with Alice. The power gem/ig is more powerful and leeches energy from anywhere it wants at any time with no limits. It has punked Celestials who also possess infinite power like children. It's way up there.

Why do you recap this thread according to you in each post? My argument stomps yours and the power gem/what the ig minus the reality gem did to the un which is manipulate it's own energies with a thought on panel. I know you reject everything outside of ff 46-49 and the annual that went along with it but come on. It even kept them big so you can sink in the knowledge.

Not more power to me more power to the power gem. It manipulates the un's own energies with a thought as it does all power in the 616 reality at the time.

Your argument stomps mine in the stupid department. Just because something was later shown to be more powerful than the IG and it had nothing to do with Thanos doesn't make it any less true. Using "handgun > rocket launcher" or "Black Alice > Spectre" doesn't change that.

Manipulation doesn't presume superiority. Repeating the same wrong argument doesn't change how wrong it is.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
That was a BFR. That wasn't an actual defeat. Mxy's entire race's combined blasts had no effect on Ultimator. Mxy was literally running thru stories trying to escape the Ultimator. He used bfr. I'd say he used a plot device. Other than that,he was quite powerless.

Originally posted by Galan007
i am not saying that mxy could have beaten ultimator mono e mono - i'm merely commenting on the fact that a story of mxy's creation (and subsequently, a direct extension of his power) was responsible for 'defeating' ultimator.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Doom stole all of Surfer's power once. Doom is not more powerful than Surfer. 1) If that's your interpretation of what Reed did with the Alien Being, then of course you would logically surmise that Reed is "greater" than Doom until proven otherwise. You'll have to be more specific with Ultimator and Mxy. If Mxy himself was powerless against Ultimator, than that's positive proof that Ultimator > Mxy. That's exactly in line with what I'm saying.

2) You're assuming your conclusion that the UN lost. It didn't. Quasar lost. The UN didn't lose. You're confusing user with artifact again and using "handgun > rocket launcher" rationale. I thought we already settled that.

3) You're still using a negative proof fallacy. I don't have to prove that something can't possibly be true. And neither does speculation override a conclusion based on evidence.

4) I don't know what the point of assuming the IG beats the UN directly, other than that's pretty much what you've been doing half the time. The other half of the time, you've been trying to find loopholes or use fallacies to justify your assumption that it can. Furthermore, these artifacts aren't floating around in the ether combatting each other. That's what you, quanchi112 and others like to think essentially happened when Quasar was killed by Magus. Which is again, the "handgun > rocket launcher" analogy. The only way your premise works, is if assume the IG is more powerful than the UN. You have to assume that to get to where you're getting.

This all comes down to how you view the confrontation. The evidence is clearly on the side that in a direct confrontation the IG is superior, until as you say proven otherwise. You can't have it both ways and ASSUME that if there was another user it would've gone different. You have ZERO proof of this and ZERO proof it would've changed anything correct? It makes perfect sense that no matter WHO uses the UN the IG would most likely proves superior because of the many ways it can beat it.. whether it be by changing the reality of the user, controlling his mind, messing with time and space. For God's sake you have a direct line in the story that makes it clear… It doesn't say.. well because quasar sucks the UN lost, BUT if Reed was using it, the UN would've won. Nothing like that in the least. What you have in the author making it crystal clear with the line… "with but a thought the IG turns the universe most destructive weapon upon its user" We all know what lines like .. with but a thought mean right? It was making the very clear point on how easy it was. Do you see how far you have to stretch it to think a different user would've mattered. If it was that easy with a CA Quasar.. then how much greater would somebody have to be than quasar to make it even a challenge. Who knows.. but the evidence and author narration makes it clear how easy this was. What anybody else could do is PURE speculation on your part. Simple. You can't throw away this confrontation because it was Quasar when nothing was ever stated that anybody else would've made a difference. The author in interviews after even made it clear what his intent was.. The IG>UN in a direct confrontation. Yet somehow you wanna go.. well that doesn't count because Quasar was using it. The UN isn't a standalone object it doesn't just nullify whatever it wants alone. It has to have a user correct? Thus, by your reasoning you could say.. ooo well Galactus was using thus that didn't prove anything. No the UN always has a user and regardless of user the IG has many more ways to win. That was made crystal clear.

So, then you're saying Reed is greater than Doom then? By your logic Doom has never ever accomplished anything on the scale to what Reed did correct? So, thus you also consider Reed greater if you apply your own logic. After all, Reed has the greater one feat. I don't agree with this line of thinking but want to see if you agree with your own.

With Mxy and the Ultimator.. Mxy has the greater feats right? Yet the Ultimator was said to be superior and mxy AT first couldn't do anything to the Ultimator. Of course in the end Mxy was able to through PIS. However, mxy has the greater of the feats and by your logic in this thread that counts for more than a direct confrontation. As much as you want to twist the fact that the IG and UN wasn't a direct confrontation it without a doubt was. They aren't stand alone objects they will always have users period. Some better than others. However, a nood with the IG and without the reality gem (very powerful) beat a CA noob with the UN. It was SO easy in fact the author wanted to convey that to us. With but a thought… That my friend is a direct confrontation no matter how you slice it. So.. which one do you value more.. a direct confrontation or one with ONE greater feat?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
No. They didn't have a direct confrontation. Where are you getting that? No beam was deflected? We have no idea what setting quasar even put the thing on. He even says he could destroy the UNIVERSE with this thing. Obviously it wasn't set to destroy the multiverse.

What on earth are you talking about.. You do realize that both items needs a user correct? Unless of course, your waiting for both objects to fight each other without an operator lol. Good luck with that. They both need users they both had users. We see a nullification sphere so clearly quasar used it right. On panel narration makes that clear. What was also made clear is how easy the IG beats the UN which is also consistent on why it would win no matter what. Both objects needs a user correct? Yet you have one item that can control space, time, reality, mind etc etc. It is so versatile and has so many ways to pwn a UN user. Thus it makes perfect sense how and why this has happened and more than likely always happen. The UN doesn't offer protection from mind rape, reality/time/space warping doesn't it? Nope. For God's sake you have the author making it clear in subsequent interviews… The IG is greater than the UN for that very reason. Verstatility. It was so easy in fact… With but a thought.. Now what does that imply.. it was that damn easy. It comes down to this.. Do you think one is superior because of its ONE feat that is greater than anything the IG has ever done. Or do you prefer that fact that in a direct confrontation the IG would prove superior. What universe your in with the IG your master of that reality. God in fact of that reality as it was made clear. Now it comes down to which you prefer. However, don't be so stupid and say they didn't have a direct confrontation.. they did the IG won. Period.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What on earth are you talking about.. You do realize that both items needs a user correct? Unless of course, your waiting for both objects to fight each other without an operator lol. Good luck with that. They both need users they both had users. We see a nullification sphere so clearly quasar used it right. On panel narration makes that clear. What was also made clear is how easy the IG beats the UN which is also consistent on why it would win no matter what. Both objects needs a user correct? Yet you have one item that can control space, time, reality, mind etc etc. It is so versatile and has so many ways to pwn a UN user. Thus it makes perfect sense how and why this has happened and more than likely always happen. The UN doesn't offer protection from mind rape, reality/time/space warping doesn't it? Nope. For God's sake you have the author making it clear in subsequent interviews… The IG is greater than the UN for that very reason. Verstatility. It was so easy in fact… With but a thought.. Now what does that imply.. it was that damn easy. It comes down to this.. Do you think one is superior because of its ONE feat that is greater than anything the IG has ever done. Or do you prefer that fact that in a direct confrontation the IG would prove superior. What universe your in with the IG your master of that reality. God in fact of that reality as it was made clear. Now it comes down to which you prefer. However, don't be so stupid and say they didn't have a direct confrontation.. they did the IG won. Period.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
If we want to say to some extent, Mxy can pretty much BFR anyone more powerful than he, I could maybe except that.

What would have happened if Ultimator woke up?

ultimator cannot wake up, so long as mxy's manifestation of dream keeps jabbering.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
So if Wonder Woman beats Thanos by using her lasso, which is possible since she's used it to beat more powerful opponents, would you say she is superior to Thanos? Answer the question.

faulty logic and comparison. Are we giving Thanos a weapon and they are using their respective weapons on each other? If so and thanos losses.. Said Lasso is superior.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
faulty logic and comparison. Are we giving Thanos a weapon and they are using their respective weapons on each other? If so and thanos losses.. Said Lasso is superior.

If Thanos has let's say, the UN, and of course it's superior, and Diana lasso's him just as the blast goes off, and she wills Thanos to back fire the UN on himself, is the lasso superior to the UN?

Originally posted by Zeuodin
If Thanos has let's say, the UN, and of course it's superior, and Diana lasso's him just as the blast goes off, and she wills Thanos to back fire the UN on himself, is the lasso superior to the UN?

Your kidding right? The UN fires it nullification.. yet the lasso makes it turn back on him? She lasso's him and then makes him fire it on hiimself lol. I would say then.. that her lasso's willpower measure is greater than Thanos's

Originally posted by Zeuodin
If Thanos has let's say, the UN, and of course it's superior, and Diana lasso's him just as the blast goes off, and she wills Thanos to back fire the UN on himself, is the lasso superior to the UN?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your kidding right? The UN fires it nullification.. yet the lasso makes it turn back on him? She lasso's him and then makes him fire it on hiimself lol. I would say then.. that her lasso's willpower measure is greater than Thanos's

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your kidding right? The UN fires it nullification.. yet the lasso makes it turn back on him? She lasso's him and then makes him fire it on hiimself lol. I would say then.. that her lasso's willpower measure is greater than Thanos's

it didnt work on Bizaro (cuz hes crazy or somethin iirc)

I love how by definition the reality and power gem are redundant since both of them could (according at least to Quan's interpretation) do anything the others could do.

🤨 i tought the power gem only boost powers they dont add new ones

so Thor w/Power gem woud be stronger & all that but he cant do reality warpin with it cuz reality warpin aint part of his own skillset

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
🤨 i tought the power gem only boost powers they dont add new ones

so Thor w/Power gem woud be stronger & all that but he cant do reality warpin with it cuz reality warpin aint part of his own skillset

Originally posted by Zeuodin
So Thanos with the PG wouldn't really need the other gems except the reality one Since he can't alter reality. But he could matter manip on such a huge scale he might not need the reality gem.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
So Thanos with the PG wouldn't really need the other gems except the reality one Since he can't alter reality. But he could matter manip on such a huge scale he might not need the reality gem.

dont remeber Thanos manipulatin space or time ether

MAYBE he coud do away with mind gem if he had PG

^ Power Gem doesn't grant you new abilities. Each Gem is important, none are superfluous.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
This all comes down to how you view the confrontation. The evidence is clearly on the side that in a direct confrontation the IG is superior, until as you say proven otherwise. You can't have it both ways and ASSUME that if there was another user it would've gone different. You have ZERO proof of this and ZERO proof it would've changed anything correct?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It makes perfect sense that no matter WHO uses the UN the IG would most likely proves superior because of the many ways it can beat it.. whether it be by changing the reality of the user, controlling his mind, messing with time and space.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
What anybody else could do is PURE speculation on your part. Simple.