Originally posted by Mr Master
So long as you now know how the Morg/Tyrant scenario went down, it's all good.Any further inquiries, I'd more than happy to answer if I can.
Originally posted by ZeuodinWhere is it stated that the UN uses the same amount of power for every feat?
On Panel, there is no statement or hint that the UN varies in power-output.
What we do know, is that the range control does depend on the user,
but this has nothing to do with the UN's power output,
only its efficiency when it comes to precision.
Basically, the greater the mind, the greater the scope of influence.
(which again, this just means the range affected)
Originally posted by ZeuodinHow do you know nullification requires the same power?
On top of that, there's no depiction/statement (on panel/handbook) that tells us otherwise,
so why speculate and not just stick to what we know from its appearances on panel,
and how the official Handbook (UN bio) defines it.
Originally posted by ZeuodinAnd why do you NOT think that the user is just as important to what the UN does?
Again, the same result in the end, wether its a single being, entity, concept of universe/multiverse,
that same result is ... nullification.
And I've never seen anything nullified by the UN to a greater degree than nothingness.
Furthermore, there's no proof that the UN can be adjust (powerwise)
but the range it will affect can be adjusted.
By range I mean territory/space etc.
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not a literal quote you can find,
but we know this is the fact
because the UN Handbook bio doesn't differentiate its levels of power,
this is because there are none,
which is probably why this notion isn't even alluded.On Panel, there is no statement or hint that the UN varies in power-output.
What we do know, is that the range control does depend on the user,
but this has nothing to do with the UN's power output,
only its efficiency when it comes to precision.Basically, the greater the mind, the greater the scope of influence.
(which again, this just means the range affected)Because the same source that erases substances and/or concepts from existence,
(sphere of nullification) = [UN energies]
is the same source that erases single individuals like Quasar and/or others.On top of that, there's no depiction/statement (on panel/handbook) that tells us otherwise,
so why speculate and not just stick to what we know from its appearances on panel,
and how the official Handbook (UN bio) defines it.Oh the user is important, in terms of precise control,
but in terms of power output, nah.Again, the same result in the end, wether its a single being, entity, concept of universe/multiverse,
that same result is ... nullification.And I've never seen anything nullified by the UN to a greater degree than nothingness.
Furthermore, there's no proof that the UN can be adjust (powerwise)
but the range it will affect can be adjusted.By range I mean territory/space etc.
I just got to say one thing.
-Just because one author says that IG>UN doesn't mean his word is final. Especially if another author comes and decides to make UN much stronger.
There was a time when an Author believed that AM was the strongest Monitor, or enemy. Later, the Ultimator came. With feats Ultimator>AM
Originally posted by xJLxKing
I just got to say one thing.
-Just because one author says that IG>UN doesn't mean his word is final. Especially if another author comes and decides to make UN much stronger.There was a time when an Author believed that AM was the strongest Monitor, or enemy. Later, the Ultimator came. With feats Ultimator>AM
NOBODY made the UN stronger than the IG. Where do you get that from? They gave the UN the greater of the feats and that is all. However, that doesn't change in inherit advantages the IG had and would still have. The UN has shown to be greater in scale and the IG greater in scope. I have conceded that point long ago. However, the IG has shown in the only direct confrontation that it was superior when they met in battle. In fact it was so easy... the line with but a thought was used to illustrate it. ODG wants to go by the criteria that ONE greater feat means it's superior. As I pointed out before and he conceded.. being superior is very objective and depends on what you like. Does it have a superior on panel feat.. sure.. is it superior to the IG in a direct confrontation and as versatile.. no way no how. Plus I also don't subsdribe to the point of one feat making you more powerful. As I pointed out and wanted ODG to answer and you can answer JL. Reed has the greater mind feat and maybe the greatest of all time in comics. Certainly better than anything Doom has ever done. Yet does that make it clear cut that Reed is smarter and superior to Doom... I don't necessarily agree with that train of thought. Sabertooth has beaten Wolv more time than he's lost.. But wolv has the superior feats.. Does that make Wolv. superior.. I don't think it's that cut and dry. I agree on some points and never argued some points as some have. I'm only arguing the points I have been making.
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i guess this all comes down to weather Magus use the IG to manipulate the weilder of the UN (Quasar ?) or the UN itself
if he manipulate Quasar then it dont count (cuz thats like shooting with handgun at the guy whose holding the rocket-launcher like some1 said)
but im prety sure the UN affected the UN itself & not Quasar 🤨 dont exacly remeber the scene tho
in fact they mention Magus affecting the UNs "power" or somethin
if so its not like the IG just turned of the UN by flippin a switch (that be like usin a handgun to shoot the trigger on rocket launcher & jam it, so it still dont count 😛), here the IG actualy affected the power of the UN itself. iirc
Originally posted by Mr Master
It's not a literal quote you can find,
but we know this is the fact
because the UN Handbook bio doesn't differentiate its levels of power,
this is because there are none,
which is probably why this notion isn't even alluded.On Panel, there is no statement or hint that the UN varies in power-output.
What we do know, is that the range control does depend on the user,
but this has nothing to do with the UN's power output,
only its efficiency when it comes to precision.Basically, the greater the mind, the greater the scope of influence.
(which again, this just means the range affected)Because the same source that erases substances and/or concepts from existence,
(sphere of nullification) = [UN energies]
is the same source that erases single individuals like Quasar and/or others.On top of that, there's no depiction/statement (on panel/handbook) that tells us otherwise,
so why speculate and not just stick to what we know from its appearances on panel,
and how the official Handbook (UN bio) defines it.Oh the user is important, in terms of precise control,
but in terms of power output, nah.Again, the same result in the end, wether its a single being, entity, concept of universe/multiverse,
that same result is ... nullification.And I've never seen anything nullified by the UN to a greater degree than nothingness.
Furthermore, there's no proof that the UN can be adjust (powerwise)
but the range it will affect can be adjusted.By range I mean territory/space etc.
Hello Mr. Master!
What is your stance on the IG vs the CA?
Originally posted by theICONiacI just want to know how did the UN become multiversal when Quasar states on panel that he could destroy the UNIVERSE?
Mr. Master has given a great defense of the IG from those who would downplay its power...But he hasn't actually stated if it is enough to stop the CA.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Because it has a huge multiversal feat under its belt.