Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Seeing as the UN can and has destroyed and remade the entire multiverse (including the IG and many alternate IGs) I'd put it above the IG in terms of scale and power. The IG is much more precise and at least from a user standpoint more versatile. The IG's main advantage it seems is that any idiot can use it to become omnipotent whereas the UN requires a competent user like Reed Richards or Galactus to reach its full potential. It was clear that Quasar wasn't a competent user and the circumstances were against him. The way I see it the IG is like a accurate, fool-proof pistol while the UN is an unwieldy cannon that takes some skill to use and some time to fire but when it fires it is capable of things the IG cannot do: like Multiversal reordering.

I can't find the interview or quote anywhere so i'd love to see it too.

And as far as ig vs un.... In the right hands (reed) the effects were shown as instaneous

in the wrong hands, ie quasar, it took several panels for him to use/activate the un...

So yeah I do believe it comes down to the user. And btw deathurge, epoch and thanos were all convinced quasar was going to die while using it.. Only deathurge believed in his mission to kill magus but he also was the avatar of self destruction as stated on panel in quasar 39.

The un killed eternity wiping out this reality... The lt ha told Adam warlock that a war between them would lay waste to this reality...

Eternity has stated that as the supreme being of that reality the powe of the ig should be his... Lt said no.... The ig can affect and alter aspects of etenity...

The un after it was fired during te abraxas saga made Changes to the timeline also

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Seeing as the UN can and has destroyed and remade the entire multiverse (including the IG and many alternate IGs) I'd put it above the IG in terms of scale and power. The IG is much more precise and at least from a user standpoint more versatile. The IG's main advantage it seems is that any idiot can use it to become omnipotent whereas the UN requires a competent user like Reed Richards or Galactus to reach its full potential. It was clear that Quasar wasn't a competent user and the circumstances were against him. The way I see it the IG is like a accurate, fool-proof pistol while the UN is an unwieldy cannon that takes some skill to use and some time to fire but when it fires it is capable of things the IG cannot do: like Multiversal reordering.

I have ZERO issue with the UN having a greater scale of power than the IG. No problem there. I have zero issue with the UN having the greater ONE feat than the iG. No issue there. My issues are these...

1. It's PURE speculation that ANY other user would've made a lick of difference. That was neither stated in the comic or in subsequent interviews after. If Reed was using it you could go ooo well it was Reed who was using it. Fact are.. we have a battle the IG won and VERY VERY easily at that. What another UN user could've done is pure speculation. However, what is logically is they wouldn't have been able to do a damn thing different. Too much versatility in the IG

2. I've argued that the IG is at the very least multi universal if not multiversal. The Multi-universal is indisputable and I think there is enough evidence for Multiversal as well. However, that argument has been done and done.

3. I've also argued that ONE feat does not make one superior.. I've used example which prove my point...

a. Doom is IMO pretty equal to Reed in a variety of aspects including intelligence and Prep. I view them as peers. As a matter a fact many would argue Doom is better than Reed. Yet, Reed as ONE feat that is clearly far and away much better than anything Doom has ever done. Of course I'm referring to the multiversal mapping feat with the I.B. Now based on the logic that has come up in this thread.. That would make Reed indisputably superior. I don't agree with that train of thought. Another example is Wolverine and Sabertooth. In their many storied encounters sabertooth has won some and lost some but I believe won more than lost. Yet Wolverine clearly has the greater feats.. so by this train of thought he's superior. Yet, he's lost many one v one encounters. We can even use Superman or SS and go well they have incredible lifting/versatility feats that Thanos can't match. Thus, by this train of thought they are superior because they have the greater feats.. Yet, common sense and one v one encounters tells us Thanos is far far superior than SS and IMO Supes. So, this fallacy that one feat makes you superior I believe I shown to not really always if at all being true.

b. One can be much more versatile than the other which in turn makes one or something superior. For example, Supes is faster, stronger and a better h2h fighter than Surfer. So, he's superior is SOME areas, yet Surfer's versatility and superiority in such makes him the unquestioned favorite in a one v one encounter. The UN may be superior in scale and the remaking of the Multiverse.. cool. However, the IG makes you GOD of that universe with so so many more options.. You are a master of Time, Space, Reality, Soul, Mind etc etc. So so many more options that could make it superior and certainly gives it the advantage in a one v one situation. As I pointed out if I am being two objects a pistol or a rocket launcher… The guy says well the RL obviously does a lot of damage and is much more powerful than the pistol in terms of damage scale. However, the Pistol can control the RL or RL user and make it fire on oneself. Hmmmm the choice seems very easy to me.

Those are the points and the only points I'm arguing.

Originally posted by rotiart
I can't find the interview or quote anywhere so i'd love to see it too.

And as far as ig vs un.... In the right hands (reed) the effects were shown as instaneous

in the wrong hands, ie quasar, it took several panels for him to use/activate the un...

So yeah I do believe it comes down to the user. And btw deathurge, epoch and thanos were all convinced quasar was going to die while using it.. Only deathurge believed in his mission to kill magus but he also was the avatar of self destruction as stated on panel in quasar 39.

The un killed eternity wiping out this reality... The lt ha told Adam warlock that a war between them would lay waste to this reality...

Eternity has stated that as the supreme being of that reality the powe of the ig should be his... Lt said no.... The ig can affect and alter aspects of etenity...

The un after it was fired during te abraxas saga made Changes to the timeline also

The difference here is situation as I pointed out in my previous post. Read one of my previous post and notice a LOGICALLY and COMMON SENSE difference one would and could employ when depicting two ENTIRELY different situations. One was a one v one encounter. The other was wiping out the multiverse.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The difference here is situation as I pointed out in my previous post. Read one of my previous post and notice a LOGICALLY and COMMON SENSE difference one would and could employ when depicting two ENTIRELY different situations. One was a one v one encounter. The other was wiping out the multiverse.

You state the ig manipulated/defeated the un on panel. Prove it. I provided a lot. Of the scans fm the entire infinity war saga

If you say the writer himself Jim starlin said that the ig is greater than the un. Prove it. Greater how. Destructive power... Overall uselfulness... Show us the quote.

And I've read the posts. You have done nothing other than provide anecdotes with nothing to back up your statements. Prove on panel or with starlins statements that the ig can manipulate the un.

If you try the narration aspect of quasar learning what ultimate was... Re read quasar 37-40. Where it talks About the fact that even cosmic entities like epoch don't know Jack about what the un can do.

Originally posted by rotiart
I Have gone through great annoyances posting scans for my argument. Prove yours.

You state the ig manipulated/defeated the un on panel. Prove it. I provided a lot. Of the scans fm the entire infinity war saga

If you say the writer himself Jim starlin said that the ig is greater than the un. Prove it. Greater how. Destructive power... Overall uselfulness... Show us the quote.

And I've read the posts. You have done nothing other than provide anecdotes with nothing to back up your statements. Prove on panel or with starlins statements that the ig can manipulate the un.

If you try the narration aspect of quasar learning what ultimate was... Re read quasar 37-40. Where it talks About the fact that even cosmic entities like epoch don't know Jack about what the un can do.

Huh so then you didn't look at your own scans?

You say you want me to prove the IG manipulated/defeated the UN on panel? Hmmmm how more clear can you get... A sphere of nullification goes out towards Magus... yet, nothing happens and quasar is poof gone. Your own scans prove EXACTLY what you want me to prove. You CANNOT hide behind the argument and fallacy that another user would've changed anything. Show me one statement or implication that another user would've made a shred of difference. You have ZERO in that regard only your speculation that another user would've made a different. PROVE IT. What we do have though is CA Quasar getting owned by a fellow IG noob with an Incomplete gauntlet.

You want Starlin's own words.. there are right there in the comic you posted scans about... "with but a thought magus turns the UN on its user" Do you need that defined for you? When writers use terms like with but a thought.. what do you think that implies Rot? It implies how easy it was to accomplish said task. More words "the world ultimate has little meaning in this battle" hmmmm do I also need to break down that for you.. More words stating and implying.. the UN doesn't hold a candle to the IG in this encounter. Your own scans say EXACTLY what you require.

Magus says with but a thought... Etc
but when do we statements for granted
narration sure...

as for magus using the ig....
Warlock had it before and expunged the dark parts of good from himself... So he wasn't the novice that you think

and you still haven't provided the starlin statemebts

Originally posted by rotiart
Magus says with but a thought... Etc
but when do we statements for granted
narration sure...

as for magus using the ig....
Warlock had it before and expunged the dark parts of good from himself... So he wasn't the novice that you think

and you still haven't provided the starlin statemebts

Starlin wrote it.. those are HIS views and words on the events that took place. So.. i'm waiting for ANY proof or evidence that ANY other user would've made a difference and stating that things would've been different. While you at it give me any evidence that states the nullification power sent out to magus was weaker than the output of its later showings. I have shown through common sense and logic that the differences in appearances could quite easily be explained in the difference in situations. Prove otherwise

Wow. You've proven nothing. Provided no scans. Minsinterpreted information and want to tell me to do your work for you.

The scan shows him saying why he thinks happened. In quasars issue nothing happened as shown in infinity wars. It shows him activating the device an never figuring out how to fire it. And magus saying he is greater than the un is thesame as all the times starlin wrote that thanos says he was god. He wasn't ever until he got thoti.

As for on panel why one user isbetter than another... Again quasar took several panels to get any result from the un. Reed was instatneous... Faster than anyone including abraxas could react. In the blink of am eye he rewrote eternity
I'm guessing at this point you made up the starlin comment to prove a point. Great. Good job.

btw the gems cant be nulified so even if realitys erased they still exist (in "unspace" or w/e they called it)

and maybe theres multiple IGs (now. so IGs uniqueness wuz retconed) but theres also multiple UNs

Based upon what?

what Based upon what?

I was just wondering what you meant when you said the gems can't be nullified and sent to unspace..

Where was that stated... Because if the gems themselves cannot be affecte by the un on panel That could show the ig>un
and all the speculation about what happened during infinity war would be moot

Originally posted by rotiart
I was just wondering what you meant when you said the gems can't be nullified and sent to unspace..

Where was that stated... Because if the gems themselves cannot be affecte by the un on panel That could show the ig>un
and all the speculation about what happened during infinity war would be moot

Oh. I see. Meh!

I still hold fast that magus "thought" he had affected the un... When in fact it simply appears as though quasar nullified himself as shown in his own issue.

i said dat cuz when Magus manipulate those 2 universes (he mix them into 1 universe or somethin) he wuz outside reality (they show the 2 universe like big white spheres & he wuz outside them, in unspace). so the gems can survive in unspace & so can whover wears them

also when LT said the gems were dangerous & he put a ban on them : if they could be nulified then LT would of simply erased them

btw about the Magus vs Quasar thing : did it say onpanel that Magus use some kinda mind trick/TP on Quasar? i dont think so 🤨

Originally posted by Zeuodin
CA>>>>UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG

That will be all.

IG > UN
UN = ∞ × universes
CA = 52 × universe

Do the math.

Theoretically They might survive but they be useless in true unspace...

In ff 4.... Well last 20 issues :-p
it's shown that an infinity gem has no power outside it's respective reality

Wasn't CA made before 52, which means it could work in an infinite universe.