Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

The argument has been stated that the IG has shown its power over the UN itself. That in a direct confrontation there is on panel proof that the IG overcame the power of the UN. Using

Here we have Epoch tell Quasar that using the UN is to be nullified.

Quasar is told by Deathurge that use of the UN is tantamount to suicide in the following two scans:

Here we have Quasar himself admit he has no idea how to use the ultimate nullifier

Here we have scans showing Thanos thinks well of the bravery of Quasar, but considers him a fool.

Here we see the Magus with the IG as it is able to be used in unison. That the word ultimate carries little weight in this current contest of titans. In this shot, the UN hasn't been fired yet. And that with a thought magus turns the weapon on its user... how can that be if it hasn't been fired yet... can magus really get quasar to fire upon himself?

If you look on panel you see the energy around the citadel which happens when the gems are lit up with power. After Magus attains the full power of the IG, or what he believes is its full power, Quasar fires the UN... but in doing so he slays only himself... something..

The fact is that noone believed Quasar to be smart enough to actually use the UN on Magus. Epoch, Deathurge and Thanos all believed that Quasar would die in the attempt. At worst we see that Quasar has in fact died in the attempt. The IG held all gems except reality, which means it could not affect the physics of the world or the UN itself. What other gems did it have, mind, soul, time, space and Power. Everyone believed Quasar didn't have the mental fortitude to use the UN on Magus, hence you have at best an example of Magus using the soul or mind gem to weaken Quasar's resolve enough to have him fail to fire then gun. Quasar had always hoped he would find a way to not die in the process... but in the end he does anyways. He died without being useful.

^^

Wut up good friend? 🙂

Quasar undoubtably fired the UN, we know this because of said scan below:

"Sphere of Whiteness" (nullification)
"The Sphere's growing quickly"
"Toward the Target .. after it reaches it, will it to contract"

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Magus stopped the sphere of nullification with the incomplete IG,
after it actually HIT the Magus's "stronghold" (which means Magus shunted the UN's power)
as Quasar litertally states in your blown up scan above. ***

then Magus returned the power of the UN (sphere of nullification) back on Qusar,
this nullified Quasar.

I have to disagree with your point that suggests Magus didn't control reality.

Magus had the Time (Eternity) & Space (Infinity) Gems, which comprises Reality.

Therefore, Magus was quite capable of manipulating Reality.

The Reality Gem would've boosted Magus's status into absolute Godhood,
which would make him GOD! (beneath only TOAA empowered LT)

btw. Reed NEVER used the UN before or after the Abraxas arc,
so what makes Reed an expert or competent user is a mystery.

Oh wait no ... he's Reed Richards! 😎

corrected

Esteemed friend. I believe we have an issue on which we will have to disagree.

If you compare Infinity Wars 5 and Quasar 40 you see that they show that the energy surrounds the citadel when the IG is activated... comparing the two comics you see that Quasar pushes the button after Magus attains godhood. Quasar dies after pushing the button. There is no indication the UN affected anything other than himself.

You use the argument that Quasar believes the UN has gotten to the citadel... when only a panel before he describes The intense whiteness... he couldn't even judge it's distance.. even when its not even a foot away... if thats so.. how could he have possibly known it had approached the citadel...

Quasar's statements about directly the UN are what he wants to happen, not what is actually happening...
He can't see anything other than the white sphere of energy, and he assumes that the blast has approached the citadel... however in neither comic is there shown any kind of a blast or energy, etc other than the sphere that destroys quasar.

From the very beginning Epoch and Demiurge state that using the UN is suicidal. Quasar has been carrying that burden the entire time. He's a scared boy with a heavy burden.

Even Thanos who watched the whole thing says only that he sees Quasar being nullified in the process of trying to use the UN

As to whether time and space gems can affect reality. I agree that is possible..

Originally posted by rotiart
The fact is that noone believed Quasar to be smart enough to actually use the UN on Magus. Epoch, Deathurge and Thanos all believed that Quasar would die in the attempt. At worst we see that Quasar has in fact died in the attempt. The IG held all gems except reality, which means it could not affect the physics of the world or the UN itself. What other gems did it have, mind, soul, time, space and Power. Everyone believed Quasar didn't have the mental fortitude to use the UN on Magus, hence you have at best an example of Magus using the soul or mind gem to weaken Quasar's resolve enough to have him fail to fire then gun. Quasar had always hoped he would find a way to not die in the process... but in the end he does anyways. He died without being useful.

Although this argument has been neglected throughout this thread, this is an extremely well-articulated synopsis. We don't know what Magus did to beat Quasar. Manipulate the UN itself? Manipulate the tiny sphere of nullification that was released? Simply upset Quasar's concentration? As is amply demonstrated by rotiart's scannage, the most logical way was to sabotage Quasar himself. As it was endlessly explained to us how dangerous the UN was to its user should it not be used correctly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN is not a sentience, it has a powerset, that is, it erases Space-Time, and it can re-create Space-Time as it was prior...

The UN doesn't vary in power, it always has the SAME result regardless of the target, that is, erased from ever existing, whether it's a single person, entity, universe or multiverse.

If anyone can provide proof that states otherwise, please do, although, I know there isn't any proof of any sort.

It doesn't always have the same result, as indisputably demonstrated above. It can nullify. It can recreate that which is nullified. It can change that which it recreates from nullification. Different results suggest different causes. Whether these different results require a variance of power levels from setting it to 10,000 instead of 9,000 doesn't matter. The small, slowly expanding sphere of nullification that Quasar released or was forced to release by Magus was not the same instant Marvel Multiverse destruction/creating/changing blast that Reed released. Quasar wasn't recreated or changed. He was just nullified. And those energies were slowly expanding and infinitesimally smaller. They were different. Not the same.

It's an affront to common sense to characterize the small sphere of nullification as being the same as the Marvel Multiverse destruction/creating/changing blast that Reed released. The proof is in the pudding. Have a taste.

Thumbnails, dude. These huge scans are an annoying waste of space. srsly

Originally posted by john allerdyce
Thumbnails, dude. These huge scans are an annoying waste of space. srsly

Originally posted by rotiart
I apologize. I don't post images often.

I like it. I got some problems opening thumbs or links, and it's annoying, I prefer to see it on the page i read. Though those quoting you have to be careful. BTW excellent job.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

this is an extremely well-articulated synopsis.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

We don't know what Magus did to beat Quasar. Manipulate the UN itself? Manipulate the tiny sphere of nullification that was released? Simply upset Quasar's concentration? As is amply demonstrated by rotiart's scannage, the most logical way was to sabotage Quasar himself. As it was endlessly explained to us how dangerous the UN was to its user should it not be used correctly.

Quasar shot the UN,
the UN slowly let out the SAME enegies that nullify its target from existence,
Magus with a thought controlled those energies,
energies returned to Quasar thus nullifying him.

Simple and effective.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Completely false. It doesn't just re-create Space-Time as it was prior. The obvious reason? Because in Abraxas when it recreated what it nullified, it also affected several significant changes, the most obvious being that Susan Storm was pregnant with an unborn Valeria in present time when she was stillborn several years ago:

In the end,
there's NO proof of any kind that suggests the UN varies in power,
nada, zilch.

Whether it erases, remakes or whatever,
until Marvel enlightens us,
the SAME energies are always at work.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

It doesn't always have the same result, as indisputably demonstrated above. It can nullify. It can recreate that which is nullified. It can change that which it recreates from nullification. Different results suggest different causes. Whether these different results require a variance of power levels from setting it to 10,000 instead of 9,000 doesn't matter. The small, slowly expanding sphere of nullification that Quasar released or was forced to release by Magus was not the same instant Marvel Multiverse destruction/creating/changing blast that Reed released. Quasar wasn't recreated or changed. He was just nullified. And those energies were slowly expanding and infinitesimally smaller. They were different. Not the same.

When you have on panel and/or Handbook proof,
that states, heck,
even alludes that the UN operates on various levels of power in order to work its magic,
I'll move forward on this particular part of the debate.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

It's an affront to common sense to characterize the small sphere of nullification as being the same as the Marvel Multiverse destruction/creating/changing blast that Reed released.

Whatever until you actually post the pudding. 🙂

I think ODG and Mr Master need to Battlezone IG vs UN.

Originally posted by Mr Master
That's your unsupported opinion.

When you have on panel and/or Handbook proof,
that states, heck,
even alludes that the UN operates on various levels of power in order to work its magic,
I'll move forward on this particular part of the debate.

That's your unsupported opinion again.

Whatever until you actually post the pudding. 🙂

furthermore: the fact that the UN can not only destroy/recreate reality, but can also make certain 'adjustments' to it, seems blatantly obvious as well.

not sure if those were the points you felt were "unsupported". if so, i can't say i follow your logic.. (though it's not something i care to debate either *shrugs*)

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I think ODG and Mr Master need to Battlezone IG vs UN.

Originally posted by Galan007

quasar let out a tiny sphere of nullification that was slowly creeping up on magus. reed, on the other hand, wiped out the entire multiverse, nigh-instantly. the difference between their respective showings is much different... infinitely different, in fact. having said that, it seems logical to assume far more overall power output was involved in reed's showing.

Then again, it's not like you need a gargantuan sphere to rub out reality anyway,
take out the essence/spirit of reality (Eternity/Infinity) about a 50-100 ft figure,
and you rub out Space-Time across creation.
(in fact, that's exactly what was remade in the Abraxas arc)

Yep, just like when Thanos erased Mistress Death from the 9997 Universe.
Thanos didn't need to target the Universe
in order to rub out the Concept of Death from it,
no ... Thanos simply targeted Death's female skeletal form (M-body)
and the Concept of Death was no more across that entire Universe.

(btw. the Death M-body was as always is, about 5'9'' maybe shorter)

Originally posted by Galan007

furthermore: the fact that the UN can not only destroy/recreate reality, but can also make certain 'adjustments' to it, seems blatantly obvious as well.

But, until I fully see into this, I'll comment no further.

Originally posted by Galan007

not sure if those were the points you felt were "unsupported".
if so, i can't say i follow your logic..

Qusar used the UN on Magus, (a sphere of nullification)
the SAME energies that erase Space-Time on any level,
then Magus shunted the nullification sphere effortlessly
then Magus simultaneously reversed the energies of nullification back on Qusar,
Quasar was nullified,
Then Starlin speaking through Magus tells us
of how inferior the UN is to even an incomplete IG.

Originally posted by Galan007

(though it's not something i care to debate either *shrugs*)

Originally posted by Galan007

why? it'd just be copied/pasted posts from this thread.

God you're committed ... I salute your consistency. 🙂

Originally posted by Mr Master
That tiny sphere of nullification erases Space-Time
as efficiently as a cosmic sized sphere.
When you or any other proves otherwise, I'll move forward.

imo, these gargantuan differences in overall scale of power certainly suggest higher and lower energy outputs.

Originally posted by Mr Master
They weren't

Originally posted by Mr Master
facepalm ... Will you ever let go of my bolsas?

God you're committed ... I salute your consistency. 🙂

it wasn't a personal shot at you. no need for the insecurity.

If anything can be said about everyone in this thread its that they're consistent. Some of them may flip flop, not naming any names, but their flip-flopping is at least consistent flip-flopping, that is its expected of them.

CA>>>>UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG

That will be all.

I would like to say one thing further on the debate of the size of the nullification sphere that Galan and others have mentioned. Of course one could interrupt how slow one was moving and how quickly another erased a significant account more quickly as a different in power. However, I think it's very logical that in fact they were the same amount of power in each instance. Common sense and logic tells us that in a one v one encounter the way it was depicted is very consistent with a few things. Making the narration fit with the artistic depiction. It's a one v one battle.. thus they wanted to show a sphere heading towards magus... drama builds.. Magus then with but a thought turning the universe most destructive weapon on itself. This had to be pretty much just as it was. How would you depict a battle where it was a instant nullification.. how would you even know he fired? They showed it the way they did so you can see it all play out and see if the nullification heading slowly towards magus would work. Now, in the other instance there wasn't a one v. one battle. The whole multiverse was remade which didn't needed panel after panel showing the entire multiverse remade. No need for that. Boom done now lets move on. So, the different in situations COULD explain the differences in the writers/artists application of UN nullification. That is certainly possible.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
CA>>>>UN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>IG

That will be all.

So... do you like ODG believe that ONE greater feat makes you superior? Ooo and by the way IG vs UN one v one... IG pwns the UN every single time. Shown on panel. Period.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So... do you like ODG believe that ONE greater feat makes you superior? Ooo and by the way IG vs UN one v one... IG pwns the UN every single time. Shown on panel. Period.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
No, it was already explained to use. The outcome occurred because of the users.

False. That was never stated nor implied by the author of said comic. In fact the Author made it quite clear in the comic and in interviews after that the IG was superior in a one v one encounter. You can always use that excuse for the UN because guess what it HAS TO have a user, thus you can always hide behind that excuse. The fact is the author made it quite clear which was superior... With but a thought the IG pwns the UN. The word Ultimate has little meaning is this battle.. Interviews after. IG pwns the UN. PERIOD and ON PANEL. However, we have argued this point already.

One question JL King... Does ONE feat make somebody or something superior over another?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
False. That was never stated nor implied by the author of said comic. In fact the Author made it quite clear in the comic and in interviews after that the IG was superior in a one v one encounter. You can always use that excuse for the UN because guess what it HAS TO have a user, thus you can always hide behind that excuse. The fact is the author made it quite clear which was superior... With but a thought the IG pwns the UN. The word Ultimate has little meaning is this battle.. Interviews after. IG pwns the UN. PERIOD and ON PANEL. However, we have argued this point already.

One question JL King... Does ONE feat make somebody or something superior over another?

Also, one authors view=/=every other author

If by any chance, another writer comes a few years later and decides to make UN better by giving it better feats, then that author's view(previously) shouldn't be considered fact. Unless you consider his view and opinion as the fact and nothing can change it then fine, but that's not the case. During COIE, AM was though to be the toughest bad guy there is. Years later, new bad guys came into play such as Mandrakk, PM, Ultimator, and a few others.

You gotta change with the times.

As for your question, there are circumstances that can affect it. As ODG and a few others said. There are multiple IG's and each IG has power over that one universe and it's copies. Nothing more. UN has been shown to affect everything.

Then there is the fact that you, or anybody else can prove. How strong was the UN when it was used against the IG? Why wasn't it instant? Obviously, it has to do something with the different users.