Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, no, no. I have shown you exactly how these two stack up against each other. I have shown you the power gem can make a thought reality. The power gem can draw power from anything in the known universe including your precious un.

The Magus manipulated the power of the un without the reality gem meaning the power gem accomplished this feat. The power gem makes thought into reality. It's been described as supreme within it's universe which includes the un among other beings. The only being we can argue on panel that held the upper hand against the ig was the Lt. That's it who far outclasses the un as well.

What the hell does the ig not killing Maelstrom have to do with anything? Thanos with the ig didn't kill Eternity either did he? No, he imprisoned the other abstracts as well and proved he was superior. He put a little bit more into it than an angry blast. You fail to grasp the situation and common sense here. That's not on me it's on you. I mean it's so easy to understand the ig hadn't killed anyone in that manner on the level of Maelstrom anyways so he isn't the exception to this at all. Phone a friend if you need to.

When Adam Warlock blasted Eternity he said it wouldn't have done a damn thing if it were an all out battle. That was an angry outburst very much comparable to the Maelstrom blast. Common sense.

The power gem HAS NO LIMITS. It also can tap into the power source, any power source. Why not manipulate that blast if you can? The power gem/ig is more powerful than the un. It's so painfully obvious.

The power was affected. Quasar or any other user is irrelevant. Why don't you get it? A thought manipulated the every energies it had nothing to do with the competence of the user. I still find it very funny you don't get this and want to pretend that Reed has been firing this thing for years which explains how he accomplished the feat. The ig wasn't in that story hence the feat was accomplished. The power gem can manipulate/draw power from that very item. I win.

The ig makes one supreme in the same universe the un was in. The un looked like an outdated toy when we saw them in comparison minus the reality gem.

It's never been more powerful, ever. You want to keep ignoring the power gem abilities to bolster your own feeble argument while ignoring a writer's perspective, common sense, and a direct comparison.

It's explained right on the scans I put up. It's cut and dry. To combat the uber threats such as Eternity you'd need all the gems but in terms of power the power gem really is the backbone of the ig.

To quote Thanos when talking to the Magus: "Reality is not what you perceive"

you say that Magus was so powerful he could manipulate even the ig right?

and yet thanos resisted the ig. and even fought back against magus while he wielded it.

Originally posted by rotiart
To quote Thanos when talking to the Magus: "Reality is not what you perceive"

you say that Magus was so powerful he could manipulate even the ig right?

and yet thanos resisted the ig. and even fought back against magus while he wielded it.

He didn't have control over reality which ended up biting him in the ass when the heavyweights Infinity and Eternity showed up. Had he had the reality gem he would have won.

my point is that the statement by thanos pretty much says that everything magus thinks he did, did not necessarily happen.

Originally posted by rotiart
my point is that the statement by thanos pretty much says that everything magus thinks he did, did not necessarily happen.

yep.
in quasars issue it doesn't mention or indicate anything about the un being manipulated

Originally posted by rotiart
yep.
in quasars issue it doesn't mention or indicate anything about the un being manipulated

Originally posted by quanchi112
He didn't have the iron grip over reality he thought he had. That's all. Are you suggesting he didn't really manipulate the un?

meaning that although he may have THOUGHT he manipulated the un... he didn't.

its even shown in iw 6 that his cosmic awareness wasn't functioning correctly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
We saw it affected and stated in the main books though. He couldn't keep an iron grip over reality and that's because he didn't have the reality gem.

actually it never states in the main books that the ig affects the un. not on panel. it has always been the interpretation of the reader that leads them to believe one way or another...

quasar was told that the using the ultimate nullifer required the ultimate sacrifice...

in the main issues, quasar learnds what ultimate means.

he died. he also failed to use the ig, as believed he woudl fail by deathurge, epoch the abstract, and thanos.

Originally posted by rotiart
actually it never states in the main books that the ig affects the un. not on panel. it has always been the interpretation of the reader that leads them to believe one way or another...

quasar was told that the using the ultimate nullifer required the ultimate sacrifice...

in the main issues, quasar learnds what ultimate means.

he died. he also failed to use the ig, as believed he woudl fail by deathurge, epoch the abstract, and thanos.

i just went back like 10 pages and found no scans

Originally posted by quanchi112
The ig didn't also kill Eternity either. Do you honestly think the blast that was used against Maelstrom would have defeated Eternity? Do you think before you post?

The only fact is that while both were on panel the ig has showed itself to be superior which was backed up by a writer who handled both plot devices. Your story was written by the same guy who one moment has Rulk downing watchers and the next struggling with wolverine. Loeb. Not only that but this story was minus the ig.

The artifacts won't attack each other my friend so it's user vs. user. The ig was missing a vital piece to boot.

I wasn't embarrassed by any means. You yourself pick and choose which statements you want to believe.

Here's two scans for you further proving the power gem/ig is more powerful.

Then when have Thanos saying with but a thought he can draw strength from infinity. The first scan was Magus with a thought(power gem and incomplete ig manipulating the un). So I guess I just proved the power gem can manipulate energies/the un with but a thought and actually siphon off it's power just like I said.

Yeah, I won this debate with proof. Be humble and move on.

i was reading each page trying to find yous. you know when you posted...

anyways: scan one is the one where magus doesn't have full knowledge of whats going on
scan two is from thanos quest and it tells us that it backs the other gems.. its those gems that scult reality.. not the power gem..

Originally posted by rotiart
i was reading each page trying to find yous. you know when you posted...

anyways: scan one is the one where magus doesn't have full knowledge of whats going on
scan two is from thanos quest and it tells us that it backs the other gems.. its those gems that scult reality.. not the power gem..

Originally posted by quanchi112
I know he doesn't but he still manipulates the un without the reality gem. My scan is explaining the power gem's capabilities and why it's so important for the other gems as a whole. Magus with a thought manipulated the un. It's stated directly on panel.

no. its stated by magus and not the narrator.
and its also stated by magus himself later that his awareness of things was flawed
and thanos tells magus that what magus perceives as reality is incorrect

Originally posted by rotiart
no. its stated by magus and not the narrator.
and its also stated by magus himself later that his awareness of things was flawed
and thanos tells magus that what magus perceives as reality is incorrect

Originally posted by quanchi112
Was Quasar trying to erase the Magus? Not everything was flawed. Magus' actions still occurred he didn't have an iron grip hold over reality is what this actually meant.

quasar was trying to destroy magus
on panel we know that magus manipulated space to retrieve the un after it was fired.
there is nothing on panel actualy verifiying that the energies of the un were manipulated, other than magus's statements.

Originally posted by rotiart
quasar was trying to destroy magus
on panel we know that magus manipulated space to retrieve the un after it was fired.
there is nothing on panel actualy verifiying that the energies of the un were manipulated, other than magus's statements.

well magus for several issues, believes he has attained the ultimate power... even in the fantastic four issue he says such... over and over...

magus and aw fight each other over control of the ig.. in the end they separate with magus in control. eternity and infinity approach magus and all ends up set right...

full ig.. defeats eternity
un kills eternity during abraxas saga...
incomplete ig ends up losing the battle against eternity.

thats the way i look at it.

Originally posted by rotiart
well magus for several issues, believes he has attained the ultimate power... even in the fantastic four issue he says such... over and over...

magus and aw fight each other over control of the ig.. in the end they separate with magus in control. eternity and infinity approach magus and all ends up set right...

full ig.. defeats eternity
un kills eternity during abraxas saga...
incomplete ig ends up losing the battle against eternity.

thats the way i look at it.

b)he is about as dangerous as the ig so I don't see him not being able to manipulate the ig if he wanted to in direct combat. That's neither here nor there.

My point was the writer was filling us in on what occurred through Magus' statements.

I still see the power gem as being able to tap into the un and manipulate it at will don't you?

I don't see the power gem being able to manipulate the un. Not specifically on panel. and since i only use on panel evidence. thats all i have to go on.