Originally posted by rotiartThanos has held the ig and the cc and still said that the un would easily defeat magus and this was stated on panel after magus got the ig
But that aisde, incomplete IG > UN ... any day, all day,
Complete IG >>>>>>> UN ... any day, all day.
Also, on panel, it's clearly stated by Magus that it was he
who turned back the energies of the UN on it's bearer.
So, it was not Quasar who nullified himself.
The Handbooks also support/confirm this on panel depiction.
Originally posted by Mr Master
That's not accurate good friend,
Magus acquired a functioning incomplete IG almost simultaneously as Quasar fired the UN.But that aisde, incomplete IG > UN ... any day, all day,
Complete IG >>>>>>> UN ... any day, all day.Also, on panel, it's clearly stated by Magus that it was [b]he
who turned back the energies of the UN on it's bearer.So, it was not Quasar who nullified himself.
The Handbooks also support/confirm this on panel depiction. [/B]
you know i don't disrespect your opinion. but i'm tired of the circles im running into to explain my point.
as to the handbooks. i don't know what they say. so i can't care to argue it until i've seen them.
as to what the writer's themselves say. i've never met the man...
but if you wanna talk writers... and what is meant.. .etc... think about this for a sec... for a while the head editor of dc didio... said hypertime was not supposed to exist... some writers used it... others didn't... so as to what a writer supposes... i don't really care until i see it in the comic.
as to the comics themselves. what is it that we see. i am trying to state the issue of what is on panel evidence.
1. a picture showing actual manipulation without narration
2. narration describing on panel pictures
3. narration describing something happening off panel
4. a character describing an on panel picture
5. a character describing an off panel picture
i apply the first 3. the fourth depends on the picture itself...
...
but none happen in this issue. It does not say HOW he manipulated it, if at all.
if what you say is true, that the writer believes the ig > un... i challenege anyone to find a statement from the writer saying how the ig defeated the un. or that the writer wrote into infinity war #5 an instance of the ig actually manipulating the un in that issue... the closest thing i've ever seen is a statement along the lines of i believe this is greater than that..
and what one writer believes doesn't mean anything if its never shown on panel.
ps. handbooks have been wrong before. like... say... calling someone a 60 tonner when they have been shown to do well over 100... or giving them 60 mph speed when they've been clocked at mach speeds.
Originally posted by rotiartI didn't post the interview I think it was mr. m.
Show mewhere the writer says that please
Originally posted by rotiartMagus never had the entire ig. That's a big difference. If he had it they wouldn't have been able to stop him. He also said that so please quit picking which statements you accept and ignoring the ones you don't like.
Thanos has held the ig and the cc and still said that the un would easily defeat magus and this was stated on panel after magus got the ig
Stated on panel he manipulated the energies without the reality gem.
Mr. M never posted an interview in this thread. he told you what he remembered reading in an interview.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Stated on panel he manipulated the energies without the reality gem.
thats what magus says he thinks happens during infinity wars and why in the quasar issues it doesn't show that the energy was turned back, manipulated, or anything like that whatsoever......
This thread is still going on? Infinity Gauntlet took over one universe. It accelerated the merger of a duplicate shadow reality it didn't even create onto the universe. Punking Quasar into shooting himself or manipulating a tiny sphere of nullification doesn't transform it into a multiversal artifact. At all.
The entire premise relies on Quasar being beaten while holding the UN. What is inarguable is that doesn't matter in the slightest whether he was beaten or not. If he hadn't been beaten, like Maelstrom wasn't beaten by the IG, that doesn't presume anything. When it comes to the scope of an artifact's power, you look at just that: the scope.
IG's done nothing even close to destroying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink.
I'm tired of trying to teach you how to post Quanchi, so i'll do the damn work for you:
From the 2006 official handbook:
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/All-NewOHOTMUA-Z1164.jpg
The IG turned the powers of the UN back onto quasar. This is despite never actually showing a depiction or narration on panel.
In Thanos Quest Thanos uses the power gem to manipulate the power levels of the time gem to such overwhelming degrees that the Gardner loses control of the time gem.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/ThanosQuest1-48.jpg
The handbook also goes on to say that Abraxas was going to use the UN to destroy galactus across the multiverse... and that reed was able to survive firing the UN without being nullified by it...
of course... the handbook also says that the un was fired at abraxas, and undid all teh damage abraxas did to reality... it did not say that it was fired at eternity...
but the scans show us that galactus says that this "time" can only end one way.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-16.jpg
Eternity is the manifestiation of time... and it is he who was fired upon, not abraxas...
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-17.jpg
So go off the handbooks if you want. Especially when they don't agree with what happens on panel. And admit then that you go off the handbooks and can't verify what actually happens on panel. Cause if you did you'd know the handbooks are lousy sources for your arguments.
I'm fairly certain we could even create a fairly decent thread pointing out all the inconsistencies with the handbooks and what on panel evidence shows us.
For example In thanos's entry it shows it states that thanos "avenging old slights, and when a distraction was needed, he convinced the impertinent hero Quasar to wield the ultimate nullifier against Magus, believeing it would only kill Quasar."
in the issues, epoch, deathurge, and thanos all say on panel that using the nullifier is suicide and that quasar will not be able to fire the un.... and here we have the handbook stating the same thing...
Originally posted by rotiartIt stated it was and it's common sense that the writer was using his words to inform us the reader on what just happened.
Mr. M never posted an interview in this thread. he told you what he remembered reading in an interview.thats what magus says he thinks happens during infinity wars and why in the quasar issues it doesn't show that the energy was turned back, manipulated, or anything like that whatsoever......
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Power gem/ ig can manipulate pull power from anything in that reality including the un. Magus easily defeated/manipulated those energies. Warlock wouldn't have caused Eternity any damage whatsoever had he been in his real form despite that angry blast reminiscent of Thanos' blast against Maelstrom which supports my theory that these angry kinds of blasts don't defeat uber beings such as Maelstrom, Galactus, or Eternity imo.
This thread is still going on? Infinity Gauntlet took over one universe. It accelerated the merger of a duplicate shadow reality it didn't even create onto the universe. Punking Quasar into shooting himself [b]or manipulating a tiny sphere of nullification doesn't transform it into a multiversal artifact. At all.The entire premise relies on Quasar being beaten while holding the UN. What is inarguable is that doesn't matter in the slightest whether he was beaten or not. If he hadn't been beaten, like Maelstrom wasn't beaten by the IG, that doesn't presume anything. When it comes to the scope of an artifact's power, you look at just that: the scope.
IG's done nothing even close to destroying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink. [/B]
Originally posted by rotiartMagus tells us he manipulates the un back on it's user and the handbooks back it up. 😐
I'm tired of trying to teach you how to post Quanchi, so i'll do the damn work for you:From the 2006 official handbook:
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/All-NewOHOTMUA-Z1164.jpg
The IG turned the powers of the UN back onto quasar. This is despite never actually showing a depiction or narration on panel.In Thanos Quest Thanos uses the power gem to manipulate the power levels of the time gem to such overwhelming degrees that the Gardner loses control of the time gem.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/ThanosQuest1-48.jpgThe handbook also goes on to say that Abraxas was going to use the UN to destroy galactus across the multiverse... and that reed was able to survive firing the UN without being nullified by it...
of course... the handbook also says that the un was fired at abraxas, and undid all teh damage abraxas did to reality... it did not say that it was fired at eternity...
but the scans show us that galactus says that this "time" can only end one way.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-16.jpg
Eternity is the manifestiation of time... and it is he who was fired upon, not abraxas...
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-17.jpgSo go off the handbooks if you want. Especially when they don't agree with what happens on panel. And admit then that you go off the handbooks and can't verify what actually happens on panel. Cause if you did you'd know the handbooks are lousy sources for your arguments.
I'm fairly certain we could even create a fairly decent thread pointing out all the inconsistencies with the handbooks and what on panel evidence shows us.
Pretty cut and dry if you ask me. You deny, deny, deny everything and I have no reason why.
.... i'm done.
you've made a couple claims in this thread and i realize now that there is no point in arguming with someone like you.
btw. you accused me of trolling, but i've been provided new scans and information to back up my claims..
you claimed that writers were quoted... interviews.. etc... and those links... quotes were never given..
so i realize now that i'm arguing with someone who flat out lies. so i'm done.
Originally posted by rotiart
.... i'm done.
you've made a couple claims in this thread and i realize now that there is no point in arguming with someone like you.btw. you accused me of trolling, but i've been provided new scans and information to back up my claims..
you claimed that writers were quoted... interviews.. etc... and those links... quotes were never given..
so i realize now that i'm arguing with someone who flat out lies. so i'm done.
The problem is the UN may have been 'retconned' into being more powerful, but the past tells a different story.
