Originally posted by SoulDevourerYes, it was a universal artifact. Starlin knew that these 616 Infinity Gems were for the 616 Universe and that other universes had their own Infinity Gems. He even spelled it out in a conversation between Thanos and his doppelganger during Infinity War.
meh whats the point in wastin all dat story about Thanos travel thru *all these dimensions* to colect all them gems, in the end just to have a...universel artifact?BIG DEAL
universel = nothing, theres zillions of universes in MU
They considered abandoning "this reality" and in an alternate one, go and find "yet another Infinity Gauntlet and become God of that actuality."
And both of them acknowledged that they still wanted "this reality," i.e. the 616 Universe. One universe = one Infinity Gauntlet. Each one makes you god of that one universe.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
meh whats the point in wastin all dat story about Thanos travel thru *all these dimensions* to colect all them gems, in the end just to have a...universel artifact?BIG DEAL
universel = nothing, theres zillions of universes in MU
What are you talking about thanos traveling through all those dimensions to collect the gems? if you mean during thanos quest... then all those dimensions were still in the 616 universe...
Originally posted by rotiartwut...😕 those aint pocket universes or somethin
What are you talking about thanos traveling through all those dimensions to collect the gems? if you mean during thanos quest... then all those dimensions were still in the 616 universe...
616 is a reality among many other
when he was looking for the 1st gem thanos said his quest take him thru "countless realities"
that bubble prison where in betweener was locked is another reality
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut...😕 those aint pocket universes or somethin616 is a reality among many other
when he was looking for the 1st gem thanos said his quest take him thru "countless realities"
that bubble prison where in betweener was locked is another reality
inbetweener was in a special realm created by the abstracts law and order.
he went to the nexus of realities...
"My trek takes me through strange myriad dimensions"
"Inconceivable realities"
And thats all i want to talk about this anymore. i'm spending way too much time on this site and not enough time playing poker with my friends.
Originally posted by rotiart
inbetweener was in a special realm created by the abstracts law and order.he went to the nexus of realities...
"My trek takes me through strange myriad dimensions"
"Inconceivable realities"And thats all i want to talk about this anymore. i'm spending way too much time on this site and not enough time playing poker with my friends.
He was in Chaos and Order's realm.
Originally posted by rotiartFrom the 2006 official handbook:
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/All-NewOHOTMUA-Z1164.jpg
The IG turned the powers of the UN back onto quasar.
I told ya the official Handbook bio of the UN supports what Magus said On Panel.
IG > UN 🙂
Originally posted by rotiartThis is despite never actually showing a depiction or narration on panel.
That there is right on line with what the Handbook certifies.
Originally posted by rotiartThe handbook also goes on to say that Abraxas was going to use the UN to destroy galactus across the multiverse... and that reed was able to survive firing the UN without being nullified by it...
of course... the handbook also says that the un was fired at abraxas, and undid all teh damage abraxas did to reality... it did not say that it was fired at eternity...
but the scans show us that galactus says that this "time" can only end one way.
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-16.jpg
Eternity is the manifestiation of time... and it is he who was fired upon, not abraxas...
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/FantasticFourv349-17.jpgSo go off the handbooks if you want. Especially when they don't agree with what happens on panel. And admit then that you go off the handbooks and can't verify what actually happens on panel. Cause if you did you'd know the handbooks are lousy sources for your arguments.
Originally posted by rotiartI'm fairly certain we could even create a fairly decent thread pointing out all the inconsistencies with the handbooks and what on panel evidence shows us.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Yes, it was a universal artifact. Starlin knew that these 616 Infinity Gems were for the 616 Universe and that other universes had their own Infinity Gems.
Starlin also made:
A "Universal weapon" that defeats this character below in one move.
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,
the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"
Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
😐
I also wonder
how a "Universal" weapon can merge TWO entire Universes in an instant.
And why did Starlin make Thanos say this:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" ...
And why did the Living Tribunal quote:
that the IG would birng about the demise of the Multiverse housing the Ultraverse,
and perhaps his own as well. (literally stated)
The conscious Soul Gem also corroborated the LT's worries.
I'll post these scans when I can.
Originally posted by Mr MasterExactly Magus states exactly what the bio states. It's black and white yet he claims I didn't see it on panel. That's just him refusing to accept on panel evidence because he doesn't like it.
👆 ... Right on true debater,I told ya the official Handbook bio of the UN supports what Magus said On Panel.
IG > UN 🙂
I disagree good friend.
That there is right on line with what the Handbook certifies.
Hmm ... interesting, although logic tells me,
if Abraxas was the one fired upon with the UN,
and everything he did was nullified, (like collapsing Space-Time across the Multiverse)
it makes sense to me that "Time & Space" had to be re-written back to its orginal state,
thus making it quite reasonable why Eternity/Infinity got cracked as well.Absolutely, although I wouldn't say "all the inconsistencies"
because the Handbooks
are also very cooperative with on panel showings in many cases,
like in the Magus incident for example. 😄
Originally posted by rotiartI wish you would just accept what magus stated on panel. He said he manipulated the energies and the bio backs it up.
.... i'm done.
you've made a couple claims in this thread and i realize now that there is no point in arguming with someone like you.btw. you accused me of trolling, but i've been provided new scans and information to back up my claims..
you claimed that writers were quoted... interviews.. etc... and those links... quotes were never given..
so i realize now that i'm arguing with someone who flat out lies. so i'm done.
You live in your own world it seems and continue to post ignorance stating I never saw that on panel when Magus directly tells us he did so. I mean come on.
You are trolling when the scan I posted was of Magus telling us he manipulated the same energies and you yourself posted a bio corroborating his very words. Then you say I never saw it happen on panel. That's trolling when I posted proof and you read it and then claimed it didn't happen.
Younsaid you have proof it was stated on panel being the power gem.
That it stated on panel it manipulated the energies.
Get it through your dense skull
Xavier can turn deadpools weapon on himself with telepathy
all the "on panel" says is that he turned the weapon on it's user
all I did was challenge you to prove where it said that the power gem did it by itself because you, not me, said the power gem did it alone.
Everything I've provided was to show magus turned the weapon but it neversays on panel how he dis it. It doesn't say he manipulated the energies on panel. Or manipulate space so quasar would get hit or affected his min so he would shoot himself.
You, not me, said it was the power gem by itself.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWishing for the Infinity Gauntlet to be more than universal by reverse-projecting statements in isolation that are drawn from completely unrelated storylines is ridiculous. Especially when the word "universes" can easily and much more appropriately refer to pocket universes.
Starlin also made:A "Universal weapon" that defeats this character below in one move.
"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves, [B]Entire UniverseS being born
, and collapsing into ruin, and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies, I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event, Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"[/b]
The 616 Eternity that Thanos defeated wasn't any more multiversal than the 616 Eternity that Galactus performed cosmic surgery on. Thanos took over the universe. He became god of that universe. Just read the story. Don't ignore the plain presentation of the story and glue together a fragmented argument drawn from a twisted sense of cosmology.
Originally posted by Mr MasterBecause it's manipulating the 616 universe to accelerate a procedure it didn't even start into becoming a dark reflection.
I also wonder how a "Universal" weapon can merge TWO entire Universes in an instant.And why did Starlin make Thanos say this:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" ...
And on that note, why did Starlin make Thanos say this:
"The Magus is in the process of taking over the entire Milky Way galaxy... when that merger is complete, the galaxy will be totally in his thrall!"
Oh, I guess this gives me an excuse to totally blow one statement out of all proportion while ignoring the ENTIRETY of the rest of the story (and all those references to universe) to project some inane interpretation that the incomplete IG only took over the Milky Way galaxy. After all, that's what you're doing with that other statement that very simply could refer to pocket universes which you somehow feels justifies your utter ignorance as to how many times they refer to the single 616 universe. Are you starting to see how stupid this kind of tunnel vision is when weighed against the massive evidence against you?
Originally posted by Mr MasterDon't know what you're talking about. Living Tribunal quote: talks about the demise of the Ultraverse universe and the 616 universe. What the Soul Gem says (which has its own agenda) in seducing Rune is irrelevant:
And why did the Living Tribunal quote: that the IG would birng about the demise of the Multiverse housing the Ultraverse, and perhaps his own as well. (literally stated)The conscious Soul Gem also corroborated the LT's worries.
I'll post these scans when I can.
thats the way i look at it.
cause if you think about it... in what if's where thanos got the power gem in the nexus from inbetweener... how could that be possible... unless there was another nexus... and we know from ff4 issues that there are at least 5 times that thanos has done that.. .because there exists at least 5-7 other igs...
Well offhand
when manthing was created his zone was supposed to be the nexus of realities
the mkrann crystal is called the nexus o f realities
in thanos quest thanos went to the nexus of realities where order and chaos meet...
So... Yahhhh... Don't look at at me... According to marvel there are three nexuss in 616 alone!
