Wrong nothing. You claim that it must have been the power gem by itself that did it. You even provided your "proof"
and....
I said Abyss manipulated each of the nfinity gems by himself...yes he manipulated the energies of the power gem too..
Attacking me doesn't change what you said.
And the whole is simply each of the other 5 gems backed by the limitless power of the power gem... It's what makes the ig, complete or incomplete, as powerful as it was...
I just decided to show that the gems aren't a
Originally posted by rotiartIt's my opinion the power gem made that feat possible but I have already stated it doesn't matter either way as the ig is what matters here not the power gem. Us disagreeing on the interpretation of the feat doesn't change the bigger picture and that's the ig vs. the un.
Wrong nothing. You claim that it must have been the power gem by itself that did it. You even provided your "proof"
and....I said Abyss manipulated each of the nfinity gems by himself...yes he manipulated the energies of the power gem too..
Attacking me doesn't change what you said.
And the whole is simply each of the other 5 gems backed by the limitless power of the power gem... It's what makes the ig, complete or incomplete, as powerful as it was...
I just decided to show that the gems aren't a
The gems aren't anywhere near as formidable as they are when in unison.
Ig>un>ca imo.
^ Loki with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) compel, or (ii) discern from Grandmaster, the location of the Ego Gem because he was "immune." True story.
Thanos with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) hurt Maelstrom, or (ii) figure out who Maelstrom was or how he was immune. True story.
Nebula with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) detect Adam Warlock's presence or (ii) figure out his plan of action. True story.
The running theme to all those examples? The Infinity Gems were combined. Thus, going by your logic: Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Adam Warlock are > IG. If you can live with that, by all means you are entitled to it. Just don't pull the double-standard.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0K.
^ Loki with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) compel, or (ii) discern from Grandmaster, the location of the Ego Gem because he was "immune." True story.Thanos with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) hurt Maelstrom, or (ii) figure out who Maelstrom was or how he was immune. True story.
Nebula with all the Infinity Gems was unable to (i) detect Adam Warlock's presence or (ii) figure out his plan of action. True story.
The running theme to all those examples? The Infinity Gems were combined. Thus, going by your logic: Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Adam Warlock are > IG. If you can live with that, by all means you are entitled to it. Just don't pull the double-standard.
Maelstrom wasn't immune to the ig he just wasn't phased by the blast which is similar to Warlock's angry outburst in front of the Lt when he blasted Eternity. Maelstrom was on another level and energy blasts don't just easily defeat beings on this level despite having the ig.
It takes time to adjust to godhood and the timing of their strike was very key to beating her with them. Thanos only subconsciously gave them up after stomping the universe' best and the Magus probably would have won had he not been duped by a bogus reality gem.
You like usual take the context out of your scenarios and want to pretend I didn't read these stories. The ig can easily manipulate the un's energies with a thought. We saw it both on panel and later referenced in a handbook entry.
^ Despite your attempted posturing of a rebuttal, you haven't rebutted anything and you still cling to your double-standard. In accordance with your twisted sense of logic, only if Quasar or the UN were unaffected by the IG, would you conclude that the IG < UN.
Yet... even you acknowledge that if that were the case (that Quasar or the UN were unaffected), that still isn't any reason for concluding that IG < UN. Why? Because Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Warlock weren't affected in their own ways by the IG. After all, you continue to make excuses for the IG: (i) you haven't even attempted one for Loki, (ii) the blast that struck Maelstrom wasn't the IG's "best," and (iii) Nebula was a noob and hadn't had time to properly harness the IG.
What you still haven't realized in your desperation is that even if we all concede those to be sufficient excuses for the IG, those same excuses ABSOLUTELY APPLY to Quasar w/ UN! I.e., the blast that Quasar initiated wasn't the UN's "best," or Quasar was a noob and hadn't had time to properly harness the UN.
You're making the own arguments that defeat your interpretations. How you continue to deny this has perplexed us for pages upon pages. Give it up already. The double-standard you're harnessing is blatantly clear.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I am not making excuses I am applying common sense and the reasons behind these events. You aren't. I really don't have the patience for your actions in this thread but you are about to receive another lesson from me.
^ Despite your attempted posturing of a rebuttal, you haven't rebutted anything and you still cling to your double-standard. In accordance with your twisted sense of logic, only if Quasar or the UN were unaffected by the IG, would you conclude that the IG < UN.Yet... even you acknowledge that if that were the case (that Quasar or the UN were unaffected), that still isn't any reason for concluding that IG < UN. Why? Because Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Warlock weren't affected in their own ways by the IG. After all, you continue to make excuses for the IG: [b](i)
you haven't even attempted one for Loki, (ii) the blast that struck Maelstrom wasn't the IG's "best," and (iii) Nebula was a noob and hadn't had time to properly harness the IG.What you still haven't realized in your desperation is that even if we all concede those to be sufficient excuses for the IG, those same excuses ABSOLUTELY APPLY to Quasar w/ UN! I.e., the blast that Quasar initiated wasn't the UN's "best," or Quasar was a noob and hadn't had time to properly harness the UN.
You're making the own arguments that defeat your interpretations. How you continue to deny this has perplexed us for pages upon pages. Give it up already. The double-standard you're harnessing is blatantly clear. [/B]
There eternity calls the ig, Absolute power.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-05.jpg
Here we see Adam lose his cool and attack Eternity in an angry outburst reminiscent of Thanos in the same manner he lashed out at Maelstrom.
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa41/quanchi112/WarlockInfinityWatch01-06.jpg
Now we see Eternity explain to us how this would have absolutely no effect on him in his true form yet Odg would claim he would be completely immune just because this blast would have no effect on him in an all out battle. Thanos couldn't just blast eternity into submission with a casual blast nor could he with Malestrom, Galactus, death, etc. yet he can defeat them as previously shown in the ig storyline.
1) I don't need to for Loki.
2)It's common sense and the scans I put up further cement my grasp of the story while yours is just wishful thinking.
3)The whole point was about the timing of the attack before she could properly adjust to godhood. Magus it seems adjusted more quickly than even Thanos and didn't have the setback of subconsciously giving back the ig like Thanos previously had.
The same energies can be manipulated with a thought. The user is irrelevant when you take into consideration Magus did so without the use of the reality gem and the user is irrelevant as those energies are manipulated at the ig's discretion.
You've been put into a corner and can't fight your way out.
Originally posted by quanchi1121) No, you don't. Because Loki's inability to do so even with all the Infinity Gems doesn't mean that Grandmaster is more powerful than the IG.
1) I don't need to for Loki.2)It's common sense and the scans I put up further cement my grasp of the story while yours is just wishful thinking.
3)Thhe whole point was about the timing of the attack before she could properly adjust to godhood. Magus it seems adjusted more quickly than even Thanos and didn't have the setback of subconsciously giving back the ig like Thanos previously had.
The same energies can be manipulated with a thought. The user is irrelevant when you take into consideration Magus did so without the use of the reality gem and the user is irrelevant as those energies are manipulated at the ig's discretion.
You've been put into a corner and can't fight your way out.
2) The scans you put up support the fact that immunity to a single blast or existing outside of the comprehension of the full IG still doesn't mean that Maelstrom is more powerful than the IG.
3) "The whole point was about the timing of the attack before Quasar could properly harness the UN."
The Reality Gem not being present does not undo the repetitive foolishness of your double-standard. You haven't even proven that it was the energies that were manipulated as opposed to Quasar being manipulated or the space around Quasar being manipulated. Not only that, but the Human Torch can manipulate some of Firelord's heat, but that doesn't make Human Torch more powerful than Firelord! Hello, McFly? Anybody there, McFly?
Your double-standards have been exposed and you keep acting like they haven't. It's simple: According to you, only if Quasar w/ UN had been unaffected by Magus w/ IG, would you accept that UN > IG. However, when presented with Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Warlock who were unaffected, you don't accept that they are > IG. Why? Because rightly so, those specific instances don't override the fact that the IG has exponentially greater feats than each of them. However, it's the same thing with the UN. It has exponentially greater feats than the IG. So why doesn't it count? Because you wish it doesn't count in one circumstance while pretending that it does in another cirumstance.
Double-standard. Fail. Using your own logic.
This is what I think happened...
Magus used the space gem backed by the power gem to take quasars un blast to turn back onto the user
and if he can manipulate space like that which I agree with then the un is kinda useless against an opponent wearing the ig...
Do I think magus manipulated the un itself,.. I'm not sure
but since magus can use your own gun against you and essentially redirect any blast you send his way.. Then yes then ig>un...
So to whether he controled the un directly... That isn't what I'm saying...
But in a direct confrontation I'd rather have the ig over the un
Originally posted by OneDumbG01. I never said it did. You are trying to put words in my mouth. Funny, actually while you accused me of the same thing.
1) No, you don't. Because Loki's inability to do so even with all the Infinity Gems doesn't mean that Grandmaster is more powerful than the IG.2) The scans you put up support the fact that immunity to a single blast or existing outside of the comprehension of the full IG still doesn't mean that Maelstrom is more powerful than the IG.
3) "The whole point was about the timing of the attack before Quasar could properly harness the UN."
The Reality Gem not being present does not undo the repetitive foolishness of your double-standard. You haven't even proven that it was the energies that were manipulated as opposed to Quasar being manipulated or the space around Quasar being manipulated. Not only that, but the Human Torch can manipulate some of Firelord's heat, but that doesn't make Human Torch more powerful than Firelord! Hello, McFly? Anybody there, McFly?
Your double-standards have been exposed and you keep acting like they haven't. It's simple: According to you, only if Quasar w/ UN had been unaffected by Magus w/ IG, would you accept that UN > IG. However, when presented with Grandmaster, Maelstrom and Warlock who were unaffected, you don't accept that they are > IG. Why? Because rightly so, those specific instances don't override the fact that the IG has exponentially greater feats than each of them. However, it's the same thing with the UN. It has exponentially greater feats than the IG. So why doesn't it count? Because you wish it doesn't count in one circumstance while pretending that it does in another cirumstance.
Double-standard. Fail. Using your own logic.
2.Maelstrom isn't immune to the ig or it's powers. Maelstrom isn't more powerful than the ig regardless. Maelstrom was less than Oblivion level at that point while the ig was more than any old abstract.
3.The whole point is with a thought the ig can manipulate the energies. It can access any power in that said reality and was referenced as absolute,ultimate by Eternity himself.
The ig was supreme being of that reality and the most powerful it's even stated by Eternity and you refuse to accept it.
How doesn't it? Without a vital part of the ig it still manipulated the un's powers. Not even at optimum power it can blink away it's energies with a thought. the ig can also see what happens in the future so it's always one step ahead of the un. You have never had anything nor will you ever.
Calling me mcfly when I just posted a scan of Eternity calling it ABSOLUTE POWER is hilarious, biff.
I have statements, a direct comparison, and common sense on my side while you have your own twisted version of events to support you and nothing else.
