Originally posted by rotiart
Going by feats lt created each of the brothers which is two megaverses... A megaverse being a collection of multiverses...
Those are different Brothers. Marvel Brothers if you wish, maybe he was inspired by the Real ones. If you look at them closely, they even look different from the real ones. 😉
Originally posted by OneDumbG0IG ain't more powerful than UN because guess what? IG never did anything like destroying/recreating/manipulating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink.
Why?
Because no one that's ever handled the IG has tried to wreck the Multiverse,
so it isn't fair to say the IG can't do it if no one's tried.
Complete IG wielders:
Thanos: (only wanted the 616 Reality)
Nebula: (to f'd up in the head to fully utilize the IG and still stomped the 616 Abstracts)
Warlock: (didn't desire to conquer/destroy any Universe at all)
Significance:
Thanos defeated 616 Eternity (who contains the power of the prime Multiverse)
* This doesn't mean 616 Eternity is the Multiverse.
* This means 616 Eternity is the power of the prime Multiverse.
(Infinity should be included here,
but sometimes writers use Eternity to represent both)
This has been proven on panel! (I posted the scans many times over)
You can say they don't relate, but I can't see how,
since it's the same damn character we're talking about.
(even literally described in 616 Eternity's Handbook bio as being the SAME damn entity)
Yes
... 616 Eternity's bio tells us that Thanos defeated the SAME entity,
that Dormy witnessed killing/recreating "entire UniverseS/whole Dimensions"
all day, every day, and where the power to "re-birth ALL UniverseS" is,
it's also the same entity that Reed remade in the Abraxas arc.
This is official Marvel Handbook info!
On Panel,
both Reed and Roma call the entity in the Abraxas arc ... "Eternity"
and Roma
literally calls this Entity which contains All that ever was, is or will be ... "Eternity, The Universe"
Now, you bring up the Abraxas arc so much,
does Roma, guardian of the Omniverse
who sits in a Nexus (Starlight Citadel) that oversees ALL UniverseS in the Omniverse,
really think that "All that ever was, is or will be" is just "Eternity, The Universe?"
(as in one Reality)
Hell no!
Obviously she means The Universe as in the Marvel Universe!
(which means all of Marvel's space-time)
After all, Marvel's space-time is really just one big ass Universe fragmented into segments)
This is why I've even suggested F the Multiverse, the UN remade the Omniverse. 🙂
In the same fashion,
Thanos/IG defeated what's supposed to be the most powerful cat in Marvel,
although PIS gets Eternity beat so often.
On the other hand,
we have the LT calling 616 Eternity "the Lord of all that is" (in the IG arc)
and that only the IG threatens that position. (literally stated)
Which is why
Magus with an incomplete IG managed to merge TWO entire UniverseS effortlessly)
IMO, based on on panel history & handbook corroboration,
616 Eternity (and Infinity should be here) represents the power of all space-time.
*** In the end, this will be an endless debate,
because unfortunately some Marvel writers don't stick to historical facts.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0The whole point is, manipulating one small sphere of nullifcation (even assuming that is what it did) doesn't mean that it can destroy/recreate/manipulate entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink or anything even close to it.
Originally posted by quanchi112The power doesn't change the scope does. The same small bubble nullifies everything it touches so whether the bubble is the size of Texas or the size of shamu it doesn't change the outcome.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeThose are different Brothers. Marvel Brothers if you wish, maybe he was inspired by the Real ones. If you look at them closely, they even look different from the real ones.
The real Brothers (at-least canon to Marvel) are and always have been,
two Marvel Megaverses fashioned by the LT.
The LT was helped by a mystery character that consulted with him, that's it.
Now, although non-canon, (Marvel vs DC)
this canon truth (Megaverse/Brothers) is based in part off the Marvel/DC garbage cross-over.
Originally posted by Mr Master
Those weren't different Brothers,
the original Brothers don't exist and never did,
that arc was a goof made for fun to entertain the fanboys of DC and Marvel.The real Brothers (at-least canon to Marvel) are and always have been,
two Marvel Megaverses fashioned by the LT.
The LT was helped by a mystery character that consulted with him, that's it.Now, although non-canon, (Marvel vs DC)
this canon truth (Megaverse/Brothers) is based in part off the Marvel/DC garbage cross-over.
If the original Brothers don't exists and never did, the reason why the crossover is considered non-canon, then those Marvel brothers are indeed differen't brothers. 😐
So, in conclusion, the Marvel Brothers, fashioned by LT and an mystery Marvel character are inspired by the DC vs Marvel Crossover but are in fact differen't entities as the two Brothers from Marvel vs DC never existed.
All I have ever claimed....
1. IMO the IG>UN in a one v one confrontation with both adept users. The only direct confrontation we have proved that point.
2. I believe the IG to be multiversal but at the minimum multi-universal.
3. The IG has never tried to wreck the multiverse so one can't say what would happen. However, I don't believe that the IG could replicate the feat the UN has under its belt. Thus imo one could say the UN is greater in scale but the iG greater in scope.
4. Lastly, I don't agree with how some like ODG define superior. They will argue that ONE feat makes someone or something superior. I don't agree with that train of thought as it has many contradictions.
In the end, those have been my only points and never argued any others. i don't believe the IG could do that one feat of the UN. I don't beleive just because the IG beat the UN that means it could do anything the UN can do. I believe only what I listed above.
^ Nobody's defining superior. There is no contradiction unless you confuse yourself. You got one guy blowing up a planet and another guy blowing up a galaxy, you compare the two. One is exponentially greater than the other. It's kind of obvious which one you conclude is superior. That ain't rocket science. It's common sense.
Originally posted by quanchi1121. Don't backtrack. We all know what topic you and I have been debating. Which artifact has a greater scope of power. Couldn't care less whether an IG user beats a UN user. UN doesn't grant powerups or protection.
1.I said the ig always defeats a un user because it does based on it's abilities and the ease in which it has occurred on panel. The ig has complete mastery over reality, space, time, soul, mind and POWER. The last one is important to the discussion at hand.2.It never attempted to. It showed how easily it can snuff out the half the universe's population as I already brought up. It has complete mastery over power and eternity called it absolute power or the ultimate power.
3.The power doesn't change the scope does. The same small bubble nullifies everything it touches so whether the bubble is the size of Texas or the size of shamu it doesn't change the outcome.
What other artifacts had complete mastery over time, space, power, reality, soul, and the mind? Eternity doesn't hold court to out something out of commission just because his feelings were hurt. The ig is a much bigger deal than the un has ever been. Lt wouldn't have to destroy a reality to defeat an un user.
Ig>>un. Complete mastery over power, pal.
2. Spiderman never attempted to blink the entire Marvel Multiverse either. So what? If the IG had done anything near the scope of destroying/recreating/manipulating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink, you'd have a point. Since it hasn't, you decidedly do not. It's a universal artifact at best. And it has mastery over power to a certain degree. The IG has limits. I've tossed a half dozen examples of these limits at you already no matter whether you try to ignore them or not (which you make excuses for blaming the user but failing to realize that you don't accept user limitations for the UN, which is just cute, really it is) "Absolute power?" "Ultimate power?" The Dark Side of the Force has been called that. Labels mean nothing. Pay attention to the facts. UN accomplished an exponentially greater feat than the IG.
3. Except when one shot nullifies and another nullifies/recreates and manipulates. Don't be obtuse. Surfer has Power Cosmic, Galactus has Power Cosmic. Doom can steal the Power Cosmic from Surfer with his traditional Power Cosmic Siphon Harness effortlessly. He can't do the same with Galactus. Different degrees of Power Cosmic. Different degrees of nullifcation power. IG has shown nothing even approaching the ability to create, adjust or manipulate an instantaneously multiverse-wide event.
Don't be absurd. Somehow 616 Eternity holding court over the 616 Gems imbues the 616 IG with greater power than the UN? Lulz. You're really grasping for straws now. And nobody cares what LT would do in a fight with a UN user.
It's clear the only thing you can fall back on is that you think an IG user can beat a UN user. Grats. Who cares. That doesn't prove the IG is more powerful than the UN. At all. UN > IG. When it comes to the question of pure power, multiversal in scope > universal in scope. Learn to live with it. It's the truth.
IG's got it's fair share of impressive feats (and somewhat embarassing limitations too), but the UN is just on an entirely different level.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat's a negative proof fallacy. Spiderman never tried to blink out the Marvel Multiverse either. It's not fair to say that Spiderman can't do it if he hasn't actually tried? A far-fetched possibility that is unsupported by anything we've seen so far doesn't unravel the straight-forward comparison between their greatest feats. Any attempt otherwise is semantics.
you gotta stop making this comparison of feats. (to this particular instance)Why?
Because no one that's ever handled the IG has tried to wreck the Multiverse, so it isn't fair to say the IG can't do it if no one's tried.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNot even once. There's one Eternity for each universe. THAT has been posted several times. Accordingly, there is a 616 Eternity for the 616 universe. You posted scans from a wholly separate storyline where you project that universes = complete alternate universes, rather than simple pocket universes. Even if Multi-Eternity is being depicted in those scans, Multi-Eternity was not depicted in any of the Infinity Gauntlet affairs.
Thanos defeated 616 Eternity (who contains the power of the prime Multiverse)This has been proven on panel! (I posted the scans many times over)
Originally posted by Mr MasterDamn skippy it's "Hell no!" Because in the Abraxas arc we actually see alternate universes. We actually see alternate universe versions of characters. We actually see the Omniversal Guardian. We see the clear term "multiverse" more than several times. That's why we don't engage in nonsensical wordplay and cherry-pick one statement in isolation to distort the obvious scope of the story: which was multiversal.
Now, you bring up the Abraxas arc so much, does Roma, guardian of the Omniverse who sits in a Nexus (Starlight Citadel) that oversees ALL UniverseS in the Omniverse, really think that "All that ever was, is or will be" is just "Eternity, The Universe?"
(as in one Reality)Hell no!
Carry that common-sense onto the Infinity Gauntlet storylines and you have a story that wholly involves 616 characters, set in the 616 universe, refers to "universe" 99% of the time, and never refers to "multiverse." That's the obvious scope of the story: which is universal.
Originally posted by Mr MasterThat isn't an answer. That's a deflection based on semantics which compeltey ignores the fact that there are different outcomes. Nullification or nullification/recreation/manipulation. Different cause presumes different effect. Accordingly, any suggestion otherwise is illusory.
Answer below ... as I've said again and again and can't be dis-proven:
Or in the alternative, we demonstrate by analogy...
Human Torch can manipulate heat. He can easily manipulate a modest volume of heat which threatens to burn a house down. He cannot easily manipulate a solar system-wide volume of heat which threatens to incinerate an entire planet. Same heat that does the same thing in both instances. Accordingly, any suggestion otherwise is pure nonsense.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0That's a negative proof fallacy. Spiderman never tried to blink out the Marvel Multiverse either. It's not fair to say that Spiderman can't do it if he hasn't actually tried? A far-fetched possibility that is unsupported by anything we've seen so far doesn't unravel the straight-forward comparison between their greatest feats. Any attempt otherwise is semantics.
What the hell? ... Spiderman? 😆
When has Spiderman f'd up the Cosmic hierarchy,
or when has Spiderman been labeled GOD! (on panel and in interviews by the writer)
or when has Spiderman merged two entire Universes effortlessly,
or when has Spiderman called the attention of TOAA itself,
or when .. ahh ... this is just stupid dogs.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Not even once. There's one Eternity for each universe. THAT has been posted several times. Accordingly, there is a 616 Eternity for the 616 universe. You posted scans from a wholly separate storyline where you project that universes = complete alternate universes, rather than simple pocket universes. Even if Multi-Eternity is being depicted in those scans, Multi-Eternity was not depicted in any of the Infinity Gauntlet affairs. Damn skippy it's "Hell no!" Because in the Abraxas arc we actually see alternate universes. We actually see alternate universe versions of characters. We actually see the Omniversal Guardian. We see the clear term "multiverse" more than several times. That's why we don't engage in nonsensical wordplay and cherry-pick one statement in isolation to distort the obvious scope of the story: which was multiversal.
Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *
Take this nonsensical wordplay defense somewhere else friend.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Carry that common-sense onto the Infinity Gauntlet storylines and you have a story that wholly involves 616 characters, set in the 616 universe, refers to "universe" 99% of the time, and never refers to "multiverse." That's the obvious scope of the story: which is universal.That isn't an answer. That's a deflection based on semantics which compeltey ignores the fact that there are different outcomes. Nullification or nullification/recreation/manipulation. Different cause presumes different effect. Accordingly, any suggestion otherwise is illusory.
As for the story "wholly involving one Universe" ... 😬
I guess you missed the facts above I posted concerning that:
Originally posted by Mr MasterComplete IG wielders:
Thanos: (only wanted the 616 Reality)
Nebula: (to f'd up in the head to fully utilize the IG and still stomped the 616 Abstracts)
Warlock: (didn't desire to conquer/destroy any Universe at all)
That aside, Starlin made it clear for us:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)
🙂
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Or in the alternative, we demonstrate by analogy...
Human Torch can manipulate heat. He can easily manipulate a modest volume of heat which threatens to burn a house down. He cannot easily manipulate a solar system-wide volume of heat which threatens to incinerate an entire planet. Same heat that does the same thing in both instances. Accordingly, any suggestion otherwise is pure nonsense.
Originally posted by Mr MasterStupid? No kidding. Now follow:
What the hell? ... Spiderman?When has Spiderman f'd up the Cosmic hierarchy,
or when has Spiderman been labeled GOD! (on panel and in interviews by the writer)
or when has Spiderman merged two entire Universes effortlessly,
or when has Spiderman called the attention of TOAA itself,
or when .. ahh ... this is just stupid dogs.
When has Infinity Gauntlet destroyed the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Infinity Gauntlet recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
Pretty simple.
Originally posted by Mr MasterCouldn't care less about Dormammu. We're talking about Infinity Gauntlet saga. Dealt with one universe. The 616 universe. No matter how much you wish to project from one story to another, it's plain common sense to read the story itself. Remember, each universe has its own Eternity. One Eternity per universe. A Multi-Eternity for the Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Gauntlet storylines? 616 Eternity. Nothing more, nothing less. Made obvious by the scope of the story.
Whatever, the Dormy arc mentioned the term "Multiverse" many more times than the Abraxas arc, in fact, at one point, Dormy says, 'I conquered the Universe, well Multiverse in my case' and yet, it's 616 Eternity's power that he has merged with.
Originally posted by Mr MasterUh, no. Once again, pocket universes. Blowing one statement out of all proportion and ignoring the perfectly reasonable explanation that resonates with the entirety of the rest of the story? That's what we don't do. That's exactly what we discussed before.
As for the story "wholly involving one Universe" ... 😬I guess you missed the facts above I posted concerning that:
That aside, Starlin made it clear for us:
"The Supreme Being of THIS" (616) "and All UniverseS" (Omniverse anyone?)
Irrelevant and inconsequential concerning the UN.
No. Actually its a perfectly relevant analogy and reveals why semantics doesn't override simple comparative logic.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Stupid? No kidding. Now follow:
When has Infinity Gauntlet destroyed the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Infinity Gauntlet recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?Pretty simple.
When has Infinity Gauntlet tried to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Infinity Gauntlet tried to recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
Simpler still.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Couldn't care less about Dormammu. We're talking about Infinity Gauntlet saga. Dealt with one universe. The 616 universe. No matter how much you wish to project from one story to another, it's plain common sense to read the story itself. Remember, each universe has its own Eternity. One Eternity per universe. A Multi-Eternity for the Multiverse. The Eternity that showed up in the Infinity Gauntlet storylines? 616 Eternity. Nothing more, nothing less. Made obvious by the scope of the story.
That term was a nickname given to Eternity's totality by Captain Universe.
And I love how you ignore the fact that Captain Universe
on the very SAME splash page also called your 'Multi' Eternity ... "THE Universe"
Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... just Eternity ...
... oh ... and just "The Universe"
Anyhow, this is no surprise,
for the so called 'Multi' Eternity is nothing more than 616 Eternity:
Originally posted by Mr Master
Different arcs my ass, it's the same character, the SAME damn character,
[b]616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *
616 Eternity is one Reality,
but it's one reality that contains the power of all Eternitys.
[/B]
616 Eternity
Eternity is Time incarnated ...
When he raises a Hand which holds whole universeS withIN it,
Past Present and Future"
* Yea, ENTIRE Universes are now pocket verses. dur
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Uh, no. Once again, pocket universes. Blowing one statement out of all proportion and ignoring the perfectly reasonable explanation that resonates with the entirety of the rest of the story? That's what we don't do. That's exactly what we discussed before.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0No. Actually its a perfectly relevant analogy and reveals why semantics doesn't override simple comparative logic.
Originally posted by Mr MasterSimpler sure. But your reliance on that is just as stupid as this:
Stupid? ... and nothing else. .. Now follow:When has Infinity Gauntlet [b]tried
to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Infinity Gauntlet tried to recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?Simpler still.[/b]
When has Squirrel Girl tried to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Squirrel Girl tried to recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
"Squirrel Girl hasn't tried. So gee, guess we can't really compare the UN's greater feats to her until she does try it out! It wouldn't be fair to Squirrel Girl!" Don't confuse my sarcasm for anything but that. Negative proof fallacies are fallacies for a reason. And they don't countervail on-panel evidence of comparative feats. UN > IG in feats. Not even a contest.
Originally posted by Mr MasterYes. It's in that page. The concept's staring at you right in that page. Look at it again, this time without tunnel-vision (despite how it might threaten your ideas):
There's no such character as 'Multi' Eternity,' never has been.That term was a nickname given to Eternity's totality by Captain Universe.
And I love how you ignore the fact that Captain Universe
on the very SAME splash page also called your 'Multi' Eternity ... "THE Universe"
Just look at the panel progression. Universe created, and in response Eternity created. One Eternity would ensure a boundless universe. We know there are many universes. It's the concept we call alternate universes. Heck, the whole stoy revolves around the concept. And for each universe, there is an Eternity. And guess what we see in the very next panel? A bunch of floating Eternities (plural) to illustrate visually what is being explained. And what happens when you consider all the alternate universes together? When you consider the Marvel Multiverse together? You get... ta-da Multi-Eternity.
This is simple reading comprehension. And it fits with the story nicely that involves alternate universes, the omniversal guardian, a multiversal weapon, etc. And it all works despite your wishful cherry-picking and seizing on what you believe to be an incongruent statement. You see multiple Eternities for each universe referred to and depicted, you see the term Multi-Eternity... and now you want to pretend it doesn't exist because they talk about "Eternity" or "universe" someplace else? As if it just undoes everything that was carefully laid out for you? Want to know what that reminds me of? This similar inanity:
Originally posted by OneDumbG0I thought we just went over this. Yea... Thanos was talking about duplicate realities, taking over universes, the entire storyline deals with a universal threat... and then he starts talking about taking over the Milky Way galaxy?! "Wow! They must have just been using the term reality or universe or dimension in a colloquial sense! They really meant just the Milky Way galaxy. Wow. I see how this works! I look for any trace of incongruence in terminology and seize it as a desperate opportunity to try to engage in semantics over simple story-telling and blow that lil statement out of all proportion to suggest a completely inane idea that is absolutely counter-intuitive to the entire thematic scope of the story!"
And on that note, why did Starlin make Thanos say this:"The Magus is in the process of taking over the entire [b]Milky Way galaxy
... when that merger is complete, the galaxy will be totally in his thrall!"[/B]
...
No.
Originally posted by Mr MasterWho said Thanos was referring to "ENTIRE" universes. Definitely not Thanos.
* Yea, ENTIRE Universes are noe pocket verses.No where at any time in any arc in any way is it suggested that it refers to so called "pocket universes" but if now you're gonna start making shit up, that's about as far as we'll go.
Irrelevant then and still inconsequential now.
Nowhere in any Infinity Gauntlet arc is it suggested that statement referred to entire alternate universes. If you're gonna start shoveling it to me, you're gonna end up knee-high in it, cuz I'm not taking it. Oh, and actually, they do mention the "universe" inside the Soul Gem. Good example of a pocket universe right there. Oops. Whatever, I'm sure you'll engage in semantics over that. What? Suggest that 312 universe is inside the 616 Soul Gem? Something like that?
...
No. Just no.
Wholly relevant because it illustrates the flaw in your argument: that you don't have one and are engaging in semantics over that point.
^ What? Do you want me to start scanning all the references to "this universe" (singular) throughout all of Infinity Gauntlet to just impress how utterly obvious it is that it just dealt with the 616 universe? Yea, I've been working on it. Give me a lil bit. Literally, they do it on every page. Sometimes several times. Hopefully... I can figure out maybe some collage way to present it othewise I'll be ninja-spamming thumbnails or images left and right.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Simpler sure. But your reliance on that is just as stupid as this:
When has Squirrel Girl tried to destroy the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?
When has Squirrel Girl tried to recreated the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink?"Squirrel Girl hasn't tried. So gee, guess we can't really compare the UN's greater feats to her until she does try it out! It wouldn't be fair to Squirrel Girl!" Don't confuse my sarcasm for anything but that. Negative proof fallacies are fallacies for a reason. And they don't countervail on-panel evidence of comparative feats. UN > IG in feats. Not even a contest.Yes. It's in that page. The concept's staring at you right in that page. Look at it again, this time without tunnel-vision (despite how it might threaten your ideas):
Come on dogs. 😂
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Just look at the panel progression. Universe created, and in response Eternity created. One Eternity would ensure a boundless universe. We know there are many universes. It's the concept we call alternate universes. Heck, the whole stoy revolves around the concept. And for each universe, there is an Eternity. And guess what we see in the very next panel? A bunch of floating Eternities (plural) to illustrate visually what is being explained. And what happens when you consider all the alternate universes together? When you consider the Marvel Multiverse together? You get... ta-da Multi-Eternity.
Originally posted by Mr Master
There's no such character as 'Multi' Eternity,' never has been.That term was a nickname given to Eternity's totality by Captain Universe.
And I love how you ignore the fact that Captain Universe
on the very SAME splash page also called your 'Multi' Eternity ... "THE Universe"Roma (in the Abraxas arc) also called All That IS/Was/Ever Will Be ... [b]just Eternity ...
... oh ... and just "The Universe"
[/B]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
I thought we just went over this. Yea... Thanos was talking about duplicate realities, taking over universes, the entire storyline deals with a universal threat... and then he starts talking about taking over the Milky Way galaxy?! "Wow! They must have just been using the term reality or universe or dimension in a colloquial sense! They really meant just the Milky Way galaxy. Wow. I see how this works!
"Make your Universe mine"
But yea, he probably means 'galaxy' instead.
I mean, are ya freakin kidding me? durlaugh
^ It's called sarcasm. You're not fooling anybody into thinking I was doing anything but throwing your own absurd tactics back at you to illuistrate how inane they are. Don't insult our intelligence.
Originally posted by Mr MasterNo. I'm reflecting your own absurd fallacies back at you. That's why it's nonsensical.
Still swimming in irrelevant/inconsequential and completely nonsensical comparisons to make a point.Come on dogs.
No amount of over-sized scans trying to drown to opposing opinion will change facts:
Come on cats.
No amount of reposting the same scans ad nauseam will magically transform your wishful projections into anything but that, wishful projections.
Lol. You reposted them again. Ha. That's high comedy. You can act like "Multi-Eternity" doesn't exist. Whatever. Your wish-fulfilment fantasies don't extend that far.
