Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Started by quanchi11291 pages

Originally posted by rotiart
This is what I think happened...
Magus used the space gem backed by the power gem to take quasars un blast to turn back onto the user
and if he can manipulate space like that which I agree with then the un is kinda useless against an opponent wearing the ig...

Do I think magus manipulated the un itself,.. I'm not sure
but since magus can use your own gun against you and essentially redirect any blast you send his way.. Then yes then ig>un...

So to whether he controled the un directly... That isn't what I'm saying...
But in a direct confrontation I'd rather have the ig over the un

I know our interpretation is different but it was made clear the Magus can manipulate the un's energies. I see it as being the most powerful thing in the 616 reality which includes the un.

Originally posted by quanchi112
1. I never said it did. You are trying to put words in my mouth. Funny, actually while you accused me of the same thing.

2.Maelstrom isn't immune to the ig or it's powers. Maelstrom isn't more powerful than the ig regardless. Maelstrom was less than Oblivion level at that point while the ig was more than any old abstract.

3.The whole point is with a thought the ig can manipulate the energies. It can access any power in that said reality and was referenced as absolute,ultimate by Eternity himself.

The ig was supreme being of that reality and the most powerful it's even stated by Eternity and you refuse to accept it.

How doesn't it? Without a vital part of the ig it still manipulated the un's powers. Not even at optimum power it can blink away it's energies with a thought. the ig can also see what happens in the future so it's always one step ahead of the un. You have never had anything nor will you ever.

Calling me mcfly when I just posted a scan of Eternity calling it ABSOLUTE POWER is hilarious, biff.

I have statements, a direct comparison, and common sense on my side while you have your own twisted version of events to support you and nothing else.

1. That's the whole point. You never said it did because even you're not dumb enough to believe that is the conclusion you must draw from that instance. However, you gleefully try to act like you can draw that conclusion from another instance. Pay attention.

2. Maelstrom isn't more powerful regardless. No kidding. Because Maelstrom never did anything like take over the 616 Universe. but guess what? IG ain't more powerful than UN because guess what? IG never did anything like destroying/recreating/manipulating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink.

3. The whole point is, manipulating one small sphere of nullifcation (even assuming that is what it did) doesn't mean that it can destroy/recreate/manipulate entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink or anything even close to it.

A lot of things have been called absolute power. A lot of things have been called omnipotent. We care about on-panel proof, not purple prose. And undeniably, the Ultimate Nullifier has accomplished an exponentially more powerful feat than the IG.

You have your double-standards and nothing else. Using your logic, Cap shield shattering a Cosmic Cube means that Cap's shield is more powerful than the Cosmic Cube. Wishing it isn't a double-standard doesn't make it anything less than a double-standard.

Why are you even arguing? It's obvious that you can't change each other opinions. It's not a debate anymore it's just repeating everything already said.

Anyway. CA adapts instantly against the IG threat and stomps. 10/10

We can agree on the result but disagree on the method....

Agreed?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
1. That's the whole point. You never said it did because even you're not dumb enough to believe that is the conclusion you must draw from that instance. However, you gleefully try to act like you can draw that conclusion from another instance. Pay attention.

2. Maelstrom isn't more powerful regardless. No kidding. Because Maelstrom never did anything like take over the 616 Universe. but guess what? IG ain't more powerful than UN because guess what? IG never did anything like destroying/recreating/manipulating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink.

3. The whole point is, manipulating one small sphere of nullifcation (even assuming that is what it did) doesn't mean that it can destroy/recreate/manipulate entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink or anything even close to it.

A lot of things have been called absolute power. A lot of things have been called omnipotent. We care about on-panel proof, not purple prose. And undeniably, the Ultimate Nullifier has accomplished an exponentially more powerful feat than the IG.

You have your double-standards and nothing else. Using your logic, Cap shield shattering a Cosmic Cube means that Cap's shield is more powerful than the Cosmic Cube. Wishing it isn't a double-standard doesn't make it anything less than a double-standard.

1.I said the ig always defeats a un user because it does based on it's abilities and the ease in which it has occurred on panel. The ig has complete mastery over reality, space, time, soul, mind and POWER. The last one is important to the discussion at hand.

2.It never attempted to. It showed how easily it can snuff out the half the universe's population as I already brought up. It has complete mastery over power and eternity called it absolute power or the ultimate power.

3.The power doesn't change the scope does. The same small bubble nullifies everything it touches so whether the bubble is the size of Texas or the size of shamu it doesn't change the outcome.

What other artifacts had complete mastery over time, space, power, reality, soul, and the mind? Eternity doesn't hold court to out something out of commission just because his feelings were hurt. The ig is a much bigger deal than the un has ever been. Lt wouldn't have to destroy a reality to defeat an un user.

Ig>>un. Complete mastery over power, pal.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Why are you even arguing? It's obvious that you can't change each other opinions. It's not a debate anymore it's just repeating everything already said.

Anyway. CA adapts instantly against the IG threat and stomps. 10/10

How can it adapt instantly to everything the ig can do?

Originally posted by rotiart
We can agree on the result but disagree on the method....

Agreed?

Yep. Now what's more powerful iyo?

I'd say the same... Power wise... Both can destroy a universe...
But the un is limited in usefulness

because sure the un can wipe out the entire universe including the ig that's in it.... But if the ig weilder knows the attack Is coming he can redirect the beam or whatever

kinda like saying one is Thor without the hammer and the ig is Thor with in a sense.

Originally posted by rotiart
I'd say the same... Power wise... Both can destroy a universe...
But the un is limited in usefulness

because sure the un can wipe out the entire universe including the ig that's in it.... But if the ig weilder knows the attack Is coming he can redirect the beam or whatever

kinda like saying one is Thor without the hammer and the ig is Thor with in a sense.

I guess we disagree on which is more powerful because I say the ig but I think we argued everything over and back.

No hard feelings either it's just my posting nature to be aggressive but I fully expect people to disagree. If everyone agreed and gave in this place would dry out.

Well it's like the herc vs Thor debate... I find them to be equals in strength but thors got the better power set.

I think any difference is negligible...

Btw I went through the entire infinity watch saga
and in lts rulings with eternity I see eternity asking for the ig... But I couldn't find lt actually saying on panel he didn't allow the ig to work together... Eternity said that... But I didn't see lt actually decree it...

I'll check back on the issues again when I have more time... But as far as I can tell the 616 ig could still possibly be assembled... Assuming someone wanted to.

Originally posted by rotiart
Well it's like the herc vs Thor debate... I find them to be equals in strength but thors got the better power set.

I think any difference is negligible...

Btw I went through the entire infinity watch saga
and in lts rulings with eternity I see eternity asking for the ig... But I couldn't find lt actually saying on panel he didn't allow the ig to work together... Eternity said that... But I didn't see lt actually decree it...

I'll check back on the issues again when I have more time... But as far as I can tell the 616 ig could still possibly be assembled... Assuming someone wanted to.

I think most writers see herc and Thor as peers while I think most would send in Thor against other threats similarly to Superman and Marvel.

Off my memory I thought Lt ruled and the ruling was final and placed in effect through Eternity's words. Now if the ig is in someone else's possession then the Lt must forcibly take it if they do not consent.

btw wut are Living Tribunals multiversel feats? 😄

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
btw wut are Living Tribunals multiversel feats? 😄
Oh brother.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Oh brother.
wut? ppl are sayin we gotta go by "feats" only, but then that means LT is only universel lol

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut? ppl are sayin we gotta go by "feats" only, but then that means LT is only universel lol
He's the judge of the multiverse, but I see where you are going with this.

Originally posted by SoulDevourer
wut? ppl are sayin we gotta go by "feats" only, but then that means LT is only universel lol

You have to be careful there. Going by feats alone I don't think TOAA could beat Odin.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You have to be careful there. Going by feats alone I don't think TOAA could beat Odin.
exacly - and with same trick u can say UN>IG

so UN>IG for the same reason that Odin>TOAA 😄

Going by feats lt created each of the brothers which is two megaverses... A megaverse being a collection of multiverses...

created them? 🤨 they exist before he aware of them

aint canon anyway (JLA/avenger suppose to be the only crossover thats canon)

It's in an xmen comic...Iirc way after the crossover... Thereby making it canon

Originally posted by rotiart
It's in an xmen comic...Iirc way after the crossover... Thereby making it canon

So Marvel recognizes Marvel vs DC but DC doesn't and DC recognizes JLA/Avengers but Marvel doesn't? Weird.
TBH I doubt any other writer has ever mentioned it though.

In the handbooks marvel says lt helped create or did create the brothers
I'm not sure which but it's in his bio

I'm out of town for three days but I can post it when I get back

at the very least marvel recognizes the events of marvel vs dc as canon by acknowledging the brothers in the xmen issue and their own official handbook