Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not attacking my own reasoning in the least. The part you underlined left out the context of what I was saying. Which you quoted later. The reason why THOR killing Galactus and that having effects across the multiverse isn't the same.. Is because Thor can't travel to alternate universes to become God. That is a key key difference. In fact, it isn't even certain he could kill one Galactus, nevermind the fact that he couldn't travel to another universe and take it over. This however isn't the case for Thanos and the IG. He can easily travel to whatever universe he sees fit and become God of said universe. Is it possible somebody else in that universe has a complete IG and could contend with Thanos... sure. Is it probable... not really. Thus my statement was spot on. Even if some universes were a issue or stalemate I venture to say the vast majority would be very easy pickings. Thus as I said the IG and all its versatility and power could have it considered a multiversal weapon.. Afterall i can travel to whatever universe it sees fit and pretty much become God of said universe. That is the context you left off of the underlined part and how they aren't even close to being the same.

Furthermore, as I've proven already... one feat doesn't make you superior. Period. That is your fallacy that you've been perpetuating over and over again and I've shown numerous examples and reasons why that is horrible logic. Not only at face value is it horrible logic to deduce something is superior based on one feat.. it's even worse when you consider the feat accomplished isn't all that can define superior. As I pointed out the IG has more aspects it's superior to the UN in.

That aside, this discussion has become comedy.

The IG was proclaimed on panel by characters and writer narration panels,
to in-effect make one GOD!,
This fact was also confirmed by Starlin in his official Marvel interview,
this fact is also corroborated in the IG's 2008 bio which states
it grants the wielder complete omnipotence,
this is also further cemented even in Marvel.com's IG bio.

This is all established in the same freakin reality where the UN exists,
so ... what the hell is the argument here?

The UN is a joke in comparison with the IG .. simply put.

("with but a thought"😉 it can control the UN's energies.

But beyond all that,
this silly notion that the IG is bound to one reality is laughable,
especially when we KNOW Magus was in a Universe FAR FAR away from 616
when he merged 616 with yet ANOTHER completely separate Universe
which was also OUTSIDE of 616.

So ... 😆

The UN is a joke compared to the IG surely you jest?

Originally posted by iceman24567

The UN is a joke compared to the IG surely you jest?

But for the record:

"The UN is a joke in comparison with the IG .. simply put."

I stand by that statement with complete confidence. 🙂

I guess you can call it an opinion if you wish,
but that's my conclusion from everything I know
concerning the cosmological make-up of Marvel comics.

Ok 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, not just Superman. I think he helped the industry, sure. He wasn't the sole reason for it catching on and you using it as so is wishful thinking. You can say whatever you want, but basing your case on speculation is a weak case.

No, when we compare characters it's either all out or holding back. We don't give one character the benefit of having the advantage of holding back while the other gets to go all out. What kind of planet do you come from?

Supes going all out is much stronger according to you. Almost three times yet you lied to me when you claimed Orion was stronger. I caught ya.

Yeah that's why there are threads with OWAW Supes or a no holding back Supes, Savage Hulk, WWH, Thor, WM Thor etc. and who is this "we", are you the voice of reason on KMC?

Supes going all out is something that never happened yet IMO and my statement was not from the vs Forum. It's interesting to see though that I have an personal Stalker now 😂 . I have no need to lie to you, and I don't want a fanboy to be honest, so please quan, stop trying to suck my... 😉

It pisses you really off that Superman is the reason why Thanos was made indirectly, I understand it. Truth hurts. 🙂

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Speculating that he has the power to take over one universe at a time, and keeping control over each universe while he goes to conquer another universe still doesn't mean that the IG is a multiversal power. Same as if you have a starship that can blow up suns one at a time, you don't call it a galaxy-busting starship. Trying to paste on labels that are clearly misnomers so that you can project a higher magnitude of power through sheer equivocation o ver words doesn't override on-panel evidence. UN is a multiversal weapon. IG is a universal artifact.Unsubstantiated theories. Frankly, we've seen the 616 IG's power fail in situations and be limited which casts clear doubt on even it's proclaimed ability to make one god of their universe. To suggest that it stomps everything it comes by conveniently ignores this fact. That's your opinion. Frankly, it goes against the grain of the evidence. We've seen the 616 IG's limitations in this and other universes. You haven't proven anything. To suggest that one guy has proven he can lift more than the other when he lifts 1,000,000 tons and the other guy lifts 100 tons is not horrible logic. It's not a fallacy. It's common sense. This isn't a difference of 1,000,000 to 900,000 tons. This is a difference of an exponential magnitude. Using a negative proof fallacy to blind yourself to the simple comparative logic is horrible logic. That is a fallacy. There's room for speculation, but that speculation doesn't override on-panel proof.

Again with more fallacies… Lack of proof ISN'T proof. You keep trying to paint a picture of Thanos TRYING to do what the UN did and failing. Yet we all know this to be false. Thanos NEVER tried to do anything every close to the ONE feat the UN has that is better than the IG. You keep using the analogy and even say.. "To suggest that one guy has proven he can lift more than the other when he lifts 1,000,000 tons and the other guy lifts 100 tons is not horrible logic." So, if Spiderman lifts and throws a car, yet Thanos never has.. He's proven he's stronger? How many strength feats does Thor, Hulk, Thing, Herc have that Thanos doesn't, That Galactus doesn't, or insert many people stronger.. Yet under your fallacy that makes them stronger. Nope. As I said I have proven that fallacy and logic to be unsound and illogical.

Originally posted by iceman24567
The UN is a joke compared to the IG surely you jest?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yeah that's why there are threads with OWAW Supes or a no holding back Supes, Savage Hulk, WWH, Thor, WM Thor etc. and who is this "we", are you the voice of reason on KMC?

Supes going all out is something that never happened yet IMO and my statement was not from the vs Forum. It's interesting to see though that I have an personal Stalker now 😂 . I have no need to lie to you, and I don't want a fanboy to be honest, so please quan, stop trying to suck my... 😉

It pisses you really off that Superman is the reason why Thanos was made indirectly, I understand it. Truth hurts. 🙂

What the ---- sense does that make?

You lied on this very board. I knew you didn't believe it and found out it's not even close by your own mouth. Supes at his best is almost 3 times as Orion is at his best.

He wasn't and the creator of him disagrees. You camn continue to make ridiculous claims and lie all you want, but I'll be there to expose you every time.

😉

Maybe the ig was multiversal.. Maybe it wasn't...
The dimesnional corridor they were in connects all realities.
The magus set it up so relays connected his citadel to our universe and he was using those relays to merge the two realities... You can't deny that

and in the recent fantastic four it shows us very clearly you cannot use an ig without being in it's home universe

and the room of manifestation is a place where you and all things that are you exists as a manifestation of you.

And thanos himself during the infinity war saga tells us that you can escape the wrath ofthe if by escaping to another reality.

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

That aside, this discussion has become comedy.

The IG was proclaimed on panel by characters and writer narration panels,
to in-effect make one GOD!,
This fact was also confirmed by Starlin in his official Marvel interview,
this fact is also corroborated in the IG's 2008 bio which states
it grants the wielder complete omnipotence,
this is also further cemented even in Marvel.com's IG bio.

This is all established in the same freakin reality where the UN exists,
so ... what the hell is the argument here?

The UN is a joke in comparison with the IG .. simply put.

("with but a thought"😉 it can control the UN's energies.

But beyond all that,
this silly notion that the IG is bound to one reality is laughable,
especially when we KNOW Magus was in a Universe FAR FAR away from 616
when he merged 616 with yet ANOTHER completely separate Universe
which was also OUTSIDE of 616.

So ... 😆

I won't even try to claim to know a percent of what you know about the Marvel cosmic hierarchy but I know enough to understand that the IG user isn't omnipotent.

Omnipotence implies that nothing can overpower you and the IG has been overpowered by the LT. The LT isn't even omnipotent, he's damn close to it but he isn't and neither is the IG.

If the IG really made one GOD, as in TOAA then what's the point of the HOTU? You agree that HOTU>>>>IG right?

Your problem MM isn't one of knowledge: its one of logic. You're logically bankrupt and obsessed with false interpretations.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
And yet we know that this isn't true. Perhaps it makes one master of one's home reality, in effect usurping Eternity's role but its clear that the LT was superior to the IG.

I won't even try to claim to know a percent of what you know about the Marvel cosmic hierarchy but I know enough to understand that the IG user isn't omnipotent.

Omnipotence implies that nothing can overpower you and the IG has been overpowered by the LT. The LT isn't even omnipotent, he's damn close to it but he isn't and neither is the IG.

If the IG really made one GOD, as in TOAA then what's the point of the HOTU? You agree that HOTU>>>>IG right?

Your problem MM isn't one of knowledge: its one of logic. You're logically bankrupt and obsessed with false interpretations.

In comics we have varying degrees of infinite power so in the comic verse the ig can be omnipotent yet overpowered by certain forces. Lt also never defeated the ig in combat it was surrendered by it's user for the sake of the reality they were in.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's been backed up and we have seen so on panel. One later a decade or so later doesn't change it. When we are discussing someone's strength we don't use someone at their top strength vs. someone holding back.

What the ---- sense does that make?

You lied on this very board. I knew you didn't believe it and found out it's not even close by your own mouth. Supes at his best is almost 3 times as Orion is at his best.

He wasn't and the creator of him disagrees. You camn continue to make ridiculous claims and lie all you want, but I'll be there to expose you every time.

😉

When we? Again this we. 😂

It makes every sense. Like with Sentry for example, some believed him to be more powerful then his showings and yet they used his normal self. The same goes for Supes, if a char hasn't shown what he can do we use his "normal" self instead of what we believe he is capable to do, that would be serious bias. Like believing Thanos to be as powerful as Odin for example. So we use the feats of an char in the vs battles. So when I think Supes is 100 and Orion is 110 I say it, I use this stance in the vs Forums. What I believe Supes can do in the end is something else, and I do believe him to be as strong as SBP without holding back, but that didn't happend yet 🙂. It's hard to understand this if one is biased toward his fav char, despises another and is obsessed with an user. I don't know how to interprete your behaviour, and you accusations, which are wrong. Is it a compliment to have an fanboy or is it just disgusting to have an stalker. 😂 or 😘?

Originally posted by quanchi112
You calling anyone else logically bankrupt is a hoot. The ig makes one omnipotent in this reality but Lt represents higher forces than that.

In comics we have varying degrees of infinite power so in the comic verse the ig can be omnipotent yet overpowered by certain forces. Lt also never defeated the ig in combat it was surrendered by it's user for the sake of the reality they were in.

There can't be varying levels of infinity. There's such thing as transfinity but I doubt that's what Starlin was referring to when he was dumb enough to call the IG omnipotent. LT said his power dwarfed the IG's. The biggest fish the IG took down was Eternity, wow big deal. LT could stomp Multi-eternity.

If LT>IG then IG isn't omnipotent, its as simple as that. Don't attack my logic when you have none of your own.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
There can't be varying levels of infinity. There's such thing as transfinity

Originally posted by kgkg
In the comic book universe there are varying levels of Infinity. It been showcased few times at least this is true for marvel.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Still referring to the IG as omnipotent is semantically wrong. Nigh-omnipotent, sure.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Still referring to the IG as omnipotent is semantically wrong. Nigh-omnipotent, sure.

Omega you still you still haven't yet to address the point I made. You said beating infinity was no big deal cause he jobs to everybody. True he has some low showings no doubt. However, this was different in that Thanos completely replaced Eternity and its role. Despite Eternity Jobbing nobody just replaces Eternity and all that Eternity stands for ever. That is what made that so significant is that he did so in one move with the greatest of ease. It would be similiar to somebody replacing the Source in DC.. which to me is more impressive than somebody beating the source in a PIS filled story.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Omega you still you still haven't yet to address the point I made. You said beating infinity was no big deal cause he jobs to everybody. True he has some low showings no doubt. However, this was different in that Thanos completely replaced Eternity and its role. Despite Eternity Jobbing nobody just replaces Eternity and all that Eternity stands for ever. That is what made that so significant is that he did so in one move with the greatest of ease. It would be similiar to somebody replacing the Source in DC.. which to me is more impressive than somebody beating the source in a PIS filled story.

Why in Gods name do you think that Eternity = Source?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
When we? Again this we. 😂

It makes every sense. Like with Sentry for example, some believed him to be more powerful then his showings and yet they used his normal self. The same goes for Supes, if a char hasn't shown what he can do we use his "normal" self instead of what we believe he is capable to do, that would be serious bias. Like believing Thanos to be as powerful as Odin for example. So we use the feats of an char in the vs battles. So when I think Supes is 100 and Orion is 110 I say it, I use this stance in the vs Forums. What I believe Supes can do in the end is something else, and I do believe him to be as strong as SBP without holding back, but that didn't happend yet 🙂. It's hard to understand this if one is biased toward his fav char, despises another and is obsessed with an user. I don't know how to interprete your behaviour, and you accusations, which are wrong. Is it a compliment to have an fanboy or is it just disgusting to have an stalker. 😂 or 😘?

Holding back vs. holding back or all out vs. all out.

A stalker? 😂 If by stalk you mean respond to someone's comments on a public forum then aren't we all stalkers? you lied and I caught you. I didn't find it in your pm box I find it on the superman thread.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Quan why don't you leave the talking to grown ups?

There can't be varying levels of infinity. There's such thing as transfinity but I doubt that's what Starlin was referring to when he was dumb enough to call the IG omnipotent. LT said his power dwarfed the IG's. The biggest fish the IG took down was Eternity, wow big deal. LT could stomp Multi-eternity.

If LT>IG then IG isn't omnipotent, its as simple as that. Don't attack my logic when you have none of your own.

Lt's more powerful than both the ig or eternity so him beating either proves what? The word all powerful had to do with this reality and only someone on Lt's power level that we saw on panel was more powerful.

Again, you fail to understand the simple concept writers can complete freedom to do whatever it is they want in a story so you attaching real world definitions/applications is hilarious.

Originally posted by kgkg
In the comic book universe there are varying levels of Infinity. It been showcased few times at least this is true for marvel.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Why in Gods name do you think that Eternity = Source?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tehn you aren't answering the question honestly. To debate the strengths of characters we do it on equal terms.

Holding back vs. holding back or all out vs. all out.

A stalker? 😂 If by stalk you mean respond to someone's comments on a public forum then aren't we all stalkers? you lied and I caught you. I didn't find it in your pm box I find it on the superman thread.

If by lying you mean being not biased on the vs Forum then you could be even right. Though i prefer to be honest and not biased debating the strength of chars, unlike you 😉. I try to tell who wins not by what I believe that a chars do but on that what I know a char can do or has done. And if that's not enough and it's a char i like I would rather not write my opinion or be more careful. You should try this 😉.

If you don't see the difference it's your problem. I'm not you, thank god, and I don't debate like you, again thank god. So please don't try to enforce your biased standards on me, tanks. 😉

Stalker, you go into the Forum of the char you hate most just to read what i write 😂. Jesus, I never would have guessed to have a personal Stalker or Fanboy on the KMC Forums. 😂

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
If by lying you mean being not biased on the vs Forum then you could be even right. Though i prefer to be honest and not biased debating the strength of chars, unlike you 😉. I try to tell who wins not by what I believe that a chars do but on that what I know a char can do or has done. And if that's not enough and it's a char i like I would rather not write my opinion or be more careful. You should try this 😉.

If you don't see the difference it's your problem. I'm not you, thank god, and I don't debate like you, again thank god. So please don't try to enforce your biased standards on me, tanks. 😉

Stalker, you go into the Forum of the char you hate most just to read what i write 😂. Jesus, I never would have guessed to have a personal Stalker or Fanboy on the KMC Forums. 😂

You told me something you completely disagreed with on another section on here. you said Orion is stronger than said Superman is 3 times stronger at his best. 😂

Everyone changes their opinion from time to time but you just lied to me to pretend you aren't biased for Superman when you are.