Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
I do despise Superman but I give him the credit he deserves.

Marvel started out being the underdog, but imo due to the way dc promotes it's characters I see marvel as the heavy favorite nowadays. Superman has nothing to do with Thanos, sport.

You give him the credit you THINK he deserves, though you despise him and thus your opinion on what he deserves might be a bit "unfair".

If Superman hadn't been created the Superhero comics might have been not as popular and the creative energies woud go somewhere else. And even if the Superhero bing bang would happen it would need another Superhero to trigger it, this would happen later and the Superhero comics would be different, maybe even an Marvel Superhero Universe would have been born but it would be different with different heros and villains. It's most likely that Thanos wouldn't exist in this scenario though. But who knows. Let's be greatful that Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created Supes and let's enjoy everything this event spawned, the good and the bad 😉.

👆 to everything the batgod said...

And I'm not a big fan of superman but you gotta admit the people love him...
His comics still sell whereas silver surfer, warlock, thanos, and many other marvel attempts at a cosmic alien failed... To keep enough numbers to be ongoing series.

He's as American as apple pie... A foreign immigrant... Coming to america... Finding the promised land and settling in and lovin it as much as where he cane from... And though occasionally people persecute him (blackrock) he still fights on for the American dream

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Horrible analogies used once again. Thor and his hammer are now being compared to the IG… ummm okay. The many difference are as follows. First, there was nothing certain about Thor being able to kill Galactus.. possible yes, probable no. Second, yes if he was able to kill Galactus there certainly would be repercussions felt across the multiverse, yet that doesn't make it a multiversal weapon like the IG could be.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You see Thor couldn't travel to alternate universes and become God of those universes as Thanos could with the IG. Thanos could go to whatever universe he wants and become God of that universe. The same cannot even remotely be said for Thor. That was my main point.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The IG is a weapon that can go to whatever universe it wants and become God of said universe, thus it could be described as a multiversal weapon.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You give him the credit you THINK he deserves, though you despise him and thus your opinion on what he deserves might be a bit "unfair".

If Superman hadn't been created the Superhero comics might have been not as popular and the creative energies woud go somewhere else. And even if the Superhero bing bang would happen it would need another Superhero to trigger it, this would happen later and the Superhero comics would be different, maybe even an Marvel Superhero Universe would have been born but it would be different with different heros and villains. It's most likely that Thanos wouldn't exist in this scenario though. But who knows. Let's be greatful that Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster created Supes and let's enjoy everything this event spawned, the good and the bad 😉.

Again, it's all speculation on your part. I guess if someone didn't create marvel or black adam, etc. things could have drastically been different. The point is Superman has nothing to do with marvel. Sure, the character inspired a lot of other characters but Thanos wasn't one of them. Just ask starlin if you don't believe me.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the credit I think he deserves while you love him so I guess by the same token you love him too much to be fair. I guess everyone gives him the credit he deserves. I like Orion yet favor Superman over him.

Again, it's all speculation on your part. I guess if someone didn't create marvel or black adam, etc. things could have drastically been different. The point is Superman has nothing to do with marvel. Sure, the character inspired a lot of other characters but Thanos wasn't one of them. Just ask starlin if you don't believe me.

IMO Orion > Superman 😉.

Unbelieveable how much you hate Supes 😂 .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
IMO Orion > Superman 😉.

Unbelieveable how much you hate Supes 😂 .

It doesn't change my opinion of him and what he's capable of. My points are proven and the example of Orion/Superman is one I could definitely go another way on yet I don't despite my hatred for supes.

Starlin wasn't influenced by Superman when he created the character of Thanos, sport. It's ridiculous to even think so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How is it?

It doesn't change my opinion of him and what he's capable of. My points are proven and the example of Orion/Superman is one I could definitely go another way on yet I don't despite my hatred for supes.

Starlin wasn't influenced by Superman when he created the character of Thanos, sport. It's ridiculous to even think so.

Orion is as strong if not stronger, a durable but a much better fighter.

Now he wasn't but dismissing the impact Superman had on the industry is quite funny. Who knows what Starlin would creat or where he would work without the Superhero comics 😉.

Originally posted by quanchi112
How is it?

It doesn't change my opinion of him and what he's capable of. My points are proven and the example of Orion/Superman is one I could definitely go another way on yet I don't despite my hatred for supes.

Starlin wasn't influenced by Superman when he created the character of Thanos, sport. It's ridiculous to even think so.

meh... the superman is simply...
the vampire.. flies.. super strength... super speed... etc...
thor.. etc...

superman gained ftl powers and earth shattering powers as the decades went on... he started off around the same power levels... as say... hulk... or luke cage...

say what you will... but the superhero happened a long time ago... heroes of myth and legend that held up the world... flew around the air.. and destroyed things with a whim...

Originally posted by rotiart
what you will... but the superhero happened a long time ago... heroes of myth and legend that held up the world... flew around the air.. and destroyed things with a whim...

Without doubt. Superman wouldn't exist without the myths. He just triggered something new 😉.

Originally posted by rotiart
meh... the superman is simply...
the vampire.. flies.. super strength... super speed... etc...
thor.. etc...

superman gained ftl powers and earth shattering powers as the decades went on... he started off around the same power levels... as say... hulk... or luke cage...

say what you will... but the superhero happened a long time ago... heroes of myth and legend that held up the world... flew around the air.. and destroyed things with a whim...

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Superman was based on Gladiator, a character from a 1920's novel of the same name. I never said Superman was completely original, just that without him superhero comics as we know them would have never happened.

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I was saying that all the attributes superman possessess would have lead to some type of a superman anyways... There are already people who have feats like superman.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Christ. They are horrible analogies because of YOUR reasoning! And you're literally attacking your own reasoning in your own post with that underlined part. It's just as you said, multiversal repurcussions =/= complete multiversal control or magnitude of power. You become god of your own universe. Which is why Thanos said he could just leave Magus with 616 and go travel to an alternate universe and become god of that alternate universe with an alternate IG. Had Magus travelled to that alternate universe afterwards, he would have had to contend with Thanos and it'd be a stalemate. Which completely destroys your assertions.COMPLETE garbage. Galactus has used a blast that has destroyed a star system. The proper label for the power level of this blast is "star-system destroying." Galactus going around and destroying every star system in the Milky Way Galaxy one by one with these blasts doesn't mean you can start labeling his blasts as "galaxy destroying!" GIMME A BREAK.

I'm not attacking my own reasoning in the least. The part you underlined left out the context of what I was saying. Which you quoted later. The reason why THOR killing Galactus and that having effects across the multiverse isn't the same.. Is because Thor can't travel to alternate universes to become God. That is a key key difference. In fact, it isn't even certain he could kill one Galactus, nevermind the fact that he couldn't travel to another universe and take it over. This however isn't the case for Thanos and the IG. He can easily travel to whatever universe he sees fit and become God of said universe. Is it possible somebody else in that universe has a complete IG and could contend with Thanos... sure. Is it probable... not really. Thus my statement was spot on. Even if some universes were a issue or stalemate I venture to say the vast majority would be very easy pickings. Thus as I said the IG and all its versatility and power could have it considered a multiversal weapon.. Afterall i can travel to whatever universe it sees fit and pretty much become God of said universe. That is the context you left off of the underlined part and how they aren't even close to being the same.

Furthermore, as I've proven already... one feat doesn't make you superior. Period. That is your fallacy that you've been perpetuating over and over again and I've shown numerous examples and reasons why that is horrible logic. Not only at face value is it horrible logic to deduce something is superior based on one feat.. it's even worse when you consider the feat accomplished isn't all that can define superior. As I pointed out the IG has more aspects it's superior to the UN in.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Orion is as strong if not stronger, a durable but a much better fighter.

Now he wasn't but dismissing the impact Superman had on the industry is quite funny. Who knows what Starlin would creat or where he would work without the Superhero comics 😉.

Yeah, who knows it's all speculation if any major character or company/event hadn't occurred. We do know Thanos wasn't inspired by Superman.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I prefer the "normal" Superman = 100
(just Strength)

Superman, really all out 300, normal 100
Supergirl, 80
Power Girl 80
Wonder Woman 95
Martian Manhunter 100
Captain Marvel 100
Aquaman (Under water) 10
Orion 110 (120 pissed off)
Darkseid 120
Mongul 90
Doomsday 100-150
Hades dunno
Etrigan dunno
Bizarro 95
Grundy 60-105
Lobo 70-95
General Zod 80-100
Ultraman 100
Superboy (Conner) 60
Superboy Prime 300
Kalibak 99
Black Adam 100

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Without Superman the superhero might have never happened or it would have happened later and had less of an impact. The industry would have been completely different and Starlin might have become a writer of pirate comics 😉 if he would become a writer at all.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Without doubt. Superman wouldn't exist without the myths. He just triggered something new 😉.

Originally posted by quanchi112

Superman wasn't the first hero. He was just one of them who rose to iconic status years later. There was always preceding stories/myths that inspired everything so your point is just to speculate and focus on one of them let alone the fact his powers and abilities have changed drastically over the years.

The point was that Superman became an almost overnight success and spawned Captain Marvel, Wonder Man (Eisner), and in less direct terms created a new market. Marvel might not have been directly influenced by Superman but they definitely were trying to get in on the nice market that DC Comics (then called National Allied Publications) had created for itself when they published Marvel #1.

If you try and deny the impact he had on comics and thus Jim Starlin then you're either an idiot or a Superman hater, or more likely both.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Funny you should say that. Here you say Superman is around 3 times as strong as Orion. You can't even keep your own stories straight on the same board.

Superman, really all out 300, normal 100
Orion 110

Read and think before posting. When was he really all out, it's just a guess that he is SBP equal if all out. We just have to see him let lose the way SBP did.

And that Superman triggered the Superhero hype which spawned also your Thanos in the end might be hard to accept for you but still it's true 😉.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I never said he was the first hero, before him you had the various pulp heroes: domino mask detectives, guys like Doc Sampson, Mandrake the Magician, Gladiator, and of course all the heroes that came out in Action Comics 1 along with him like Zatarra.

The point was that Superman became an almost overnight success and spawned Captain Marvel, Wonder Man (Eisner), and in less direct terms created a new market. Marvel might not have been directly influenced by Superman but they definitely were trying to get in on the nice market that DC Comics (then called National Allied Publications) had created for itself when they published Marvel #1.

If you try and deny the impact he had on comics and thus Jim Starlin then you're either an idiot or a Superman hater, or more likely both.

Marvel's more successful than dc nowadays and they don't own the rights to Superman.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Superman, really all out 300, [b]normal 100
Orion 110

Read and think before posting. When was he really all out, it's just a guess that he is SBP equal if all out. We just have to see him let lose the way SBP did.

And that Superman triggered the Superhero hype which spawned also your Thanos in the end might be hard to accept for you but still it's true 😉. [/B]

Supes going all out is much stronger according to you. Almost three times yet you lied to me when you claimed Orion was stronger. I caught ya.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Again, you cannot attribute Thanos to Superman. Lots of heroes/myths preceded Thanos or the seventies for that matter, but to assume Superman was the reason comics took off the way they did it just wishful thinking.

Marvel's more successful than dc nowadays and they don't own the rights to Superman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not attacking my own reasoning in the least. The part you underlined left out the context of what I was saying. Which you quoted later. The reason why THOR killing Galactus and that having effects across the multiverse isn't the same.. Is because Thor can't travel to alternate universes to become God. That is a key key difference.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
In fact, it isn't even certain he could kill one Galactus, nevermind the fact that he couldn't travel to another universe and take it over. This however isn't the case for Thanos and the IG. He can easily travel to whatever universe he sees fit and become God of said universe. Is it possible somebody else in that universe has a complete IG and could contend with Thanos... sure. Is it probable... not really.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Thus my statement was spot on. Even if some universes were a issue or stalemate I venture to say the vast majority would be very easy pickings. Thus as I said the IG and all its versatility and power could have it considered a multiversal weapon.. Afterall i can travel to whatever universe it sees fit and pretty much become God of said universe. That is the context you left off of the underlined part and how they aren't even close to being the same.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Furthermore, as I've proven already... one feat doesn't make you superior. Period. That is your fallacy that you've been perpetuating over and over again and I've shown numerous examples and reasons why that is horrible logic. Not only at face value is it horrible logic to deduce something is superior based on one feat.. it's even worse when you consider the feat accomplished isn't all that can define superior. As I pointed out the IG has more aspects it's superior to the UN in.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
You must be really slow. Superman is what made comics popular, it was his success that inspired Marvel and Fawcett. Give him what credit is due.