Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Reed has a exponentially greater mind feat that Doom has. His feat with the IB and recreating the multiverse by using his mind as a map. Doom has NO feat that close correct?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The fact is ONE feat doesn't prove someone or something is superior. This is something you should concede but refuse. It's a fallacy that your choosing to apply to the IG vs UN but not Reed vs Doom. That is the point I have proven.

One artifact makes you supreme ruler of one universe, other artifact destroys/recreates/manipulates entire multiverse in an instant. It's really that simple.

Originally posted by Blanket
Didn't Eternity/Infinity beat Magus/Adam with the IG (which IIRC was complete at the time) in Infinity War?

Didn't Adam have the reality gem though?

It's been a while, so I'm just going off memory.

Originally posted by Blanket
Didn't Adam have the reality gem though?

It's been a while, so I'm just going off memory.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That's what you believe. Because you believe that Reed mapped an entire Omniverse with his mind. I don't believe that happened. Hence, you think you're clever and you thought you proved a point, but only by putting words into my mouth and assuming that I share your beliefs on the underlying premises involved. I don't. However, that's besides the point. Because to anyone that does think Reed actually mapped out an entire Omniverse with his mind (like you do), then you should have no damn issue concluding that Reed's mind is greater than Doom's. It's really that simple.

One artifact makes you supreme ruler of one universe, other artifact destroys/recreates/manipulates entire multiverse in an instant. It's really that simple.No. The IG still wasn't complete at the time. Magus never recovered the Reality Gem. But yes, 616 Eternity/Infinity smacked an incomplete IG wielder like a red-headed stepchild. Whereas, we know what the 616 UN has done to Multi-Eternity/Infinity.

Funny you say that, then please do tell what you actually think happened? Since it seems you feel like Reed didn't map it out, even though it clearly said that.

You keep saying ruler of ONE universe. The fact is it's the ruling of whatever universe it chooses. Unless of course your claiming an IG user can't travel to various universes.... Being that it can, thus wouldn't that make you God over any universe? Nevermind the fact that it ruled the 616 Universe which is the Prime and foundation of all other universes. Destroy it and all would come tumbling down.. multiverse included. Seems you could very easily deduce it as being a multiversal weapon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I accept it can adapt to eternal power and the challenges it faced against Mandrakk, but the ig is a completely different animal.

I think Eternity would defeat both the ca or Mandrakk hands down.

I read it. I just wasn't blown away by the hyperbole and the writer really being silly with the word ultimate in an attempt to hype his own story. Saying it matters where the artifacts are in their respective universes and figuring out who wins this way is trashy logic.

The story was on a suprascopic scale, it transcended multiversal realms and became meta-textual.

Superman saw all that the DCU was on the outside looking in. All reality was like a slide on a microscope to him, matter, time, space, even story. The Infinite Book said Mandrakk would win in the end, guess what: Superman in the Cosmic Armor changed that and as such rewrote reality on an enormous scale.

And don't try to insult SMB for using words like ultimate and eternal when Infinity Gauntlet is one of the worst offenders of that sort of thing.

Funny how Thanos is referred to as "omnipotent" which would imply nothing could defeat him or the Gauntlet and yet he failed to destroy Maelstrom, or to glean what he was and the Gauntlet was later overpowered by the Living Tribunal who isn't Omnipotent either, just damn close to it.

So here we see the IG has a limit to its Omnipotence whereas the Cosmic Armor and Mandrakk as well have never been defeated except by one another.

When the Cosmic Armor was activated Mandrakk was consuming everything and the Monitors were powerless, so was the Spectre and the God he served.

Captain Allen Adam (someone who was in direct contact with the Primal Monitor and thus in the know) said that only Superman could save the day because only his story was strong enough to beat Mandrakk.

You can call it hyperbole all you want but in the end you didn't understand Superman Beyond and as such you hated it and ignored it. Why didn't you understand? Because you're a small minded man who only sees pretty pictures and lines of text.

To respond to kurupt:

prove it says he created a duplicate universe. I provided scans... Why don't you... Instead of just dismissing it... And btw good luck at finding a panel I don't own and didn't read last night. :-P

including tie ins.

And fact is that even during the iw saga thanos said he could escape the power of the ig by going to another reality...

And it's proven in a recent ff4 issue that infinity gauntlets are powerless outside of their universe of origin.

Originally posted by rotiart
To respond to kurupt:

prove it says he created a duplicate universe. I provided scans... Why don't you... Instead of just dismissing it... And btw good luck at finding a panel I don't own and didn't read last night. :-P

including tie ins.

And fact is that even during the iw saga thanos said he could escape the power of the ig by going to another reality...

And it's proven in a recent ff4 issue that infinity gauntlets are powerless outside of their universe of origin.

Huh? Show me any scan that says Magus created a pocket dimension and that was what he was merging. You have shown no scans saying any such thing. So your saying it wasn't described as a universe?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What the hell has Eternity done that's close to draining the Multiverse? Eternity has gotten his ass kicked so many times that his status as a universal abstract should be officially revoked. He represents one Universe, Mandrakk was simultaneously consuming 52 UNIVERSES. The mighty Source, a being who's power is equal or (much more likely) greater than Eternity's serves as a cell membrane of sorts keeping the universes apart and Mandrakk was draining the bleed (story) right out of it and the the universes it shielded.

The story was on a suprascopic scale, it transcended multiversal realms and became meta-textual.

Superman saw all that the DCU was on the outside looking in. All reality was like a slide on a microscope to him, matter, time, space, even story. The Infinite Book said Mandrakk would win in the end, guess what: Superman in the Cosmic Armor changed that and as such rewrote reality on an enormous scale.

And don't try to insult SMB for using words like ultimate and eternal when Infinity Gauntlet is one of the worst offenders of that sort of thing.

Funny how Thanos is referred to as "omnipotent" which would imply nothing could defeat him or the Gauntlet and yet he failed to destroy Maelstrom, or to glean what he was and the Gauntlet was later overpowered by the Living Tribunal who isn't Omnipotent either, just damn close to it.

So here we see the IG has a limit to its Omnipotence whereas the Cosmic Armor and Mandrakk as well have never been defeated except by one another.

When the Cosmic Armor was activated Mandrakk was consuming everything and the Monitors were powerless, so was the Spectre and the God he served.

Captain Allen Adam (someone who was in direct contact with the Primal Monitor and thus in the know) said that only Superman could save the day because only his story was strong enough to beat Mandrakk.

You can call it hyperbole all you want but in the end you didn't understand Superman Beyond and as such you hated it and ignored it. Why didn't you understand? Because you're a small minded man who only sees pretty pictures and lines of text.

Give the circumstances of Eternity's defeats. You just want to go on board myths but you don't really know.

You have the smell of ignorance on you.

There's no proof the Source is greater than Eternity. None, whatsoever. I love hearing baseless claim after base claim.

The ig defined the capabilities of itself while the ca did not. You don't have Superman hanging off some weird cliff as some kind of proof he can defeat someone who can warp reality around you however the ig user deems fit.

😉

Thanos subconsciously betrayed himself. Mere blasts from the ig cannot just easily destroy eternity or someone at Maelstrom's level apparently. We saw far less kill Maelstrom though so him leaving was the smartest thing Maelstrom did in this arc.

I understood it quite well. Most readers regard fc as trash and another snoozefest overhyped by Morrison who did a poor job of telling his story imo. All you have are different interpretations littered with hyperbole all over it.

Ig wins. More powerful, more versatile, can see your moves before they occur. yeah, ca loses.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What the hell has Eternity done that's close to draining the Multiverse? Eternity has gotten his ass kicked so many times that his status as a universal abstract should be officially revoked. He represents one Universe, Mandrakk was simultaneously consuming 52 UNIVERSES. The mighty Source, a being who's power is equal or (much more likely) greater than Eternity's serves as a cell membrane of sorts keeping the universes apart and Mandrakk was draining the bleed (story) right out of it and the the universes it shielded.

The story was on a suprascopic scale, it transcended multiversal realms and became meta-textual.

Superman saw all that the DCU was on the outside looking in. All reality was like a slide on a microscope to him, matter, time, space, even story. The Infinite Book said Mandrakk would win in the end, guess what: Superman in the Cosmic Armor changed that and as such rewrote reality on an enormous scale.

And don't try to insult SMB for using words like ultimate and eternal when Infinity Gauntlet is one of the worst offenders of that sort of thing.

Funny how Thanos is referred to as "omnipotent" which would imply nothing could defeat him or the Gauntlet and yet he failed to destroy Maelstrom, or to glean what he was and the Gauntlet was later overpowered by the Living Tribunal who isn't Omnipotent either, just damn close to it.

So here we see the IG has a limit to its Omnipotence whereas the Cosmic Armor and Mandrakk as well have never been defeated except by one another.

When the Cosmic Armor was activated Mandrakk was consuming everything and the Monitors were powerless, so was the Spectre and the God he served.

Captain Allen Adam (someone who was in direct contact with the Primal Monitor and thus in the know) said that only Superman could save the day because only his story was strong enough to beat Mandrakk.

You can call it hyperbole all you want but in the end you didn't understand Superman Beyond and as such you hated it and ignored it. Why didn't you understand? Because you're a small minded man who only sees pretty pictures and lines of text.

Again Omega as I said earlier your kinda missing the significance of what Thanos did. He replaced Eternity's position in the universe. That would be the equivalent of whatever replacing The Source in DC. Not that are the same thing but kinda close and illustrates my point. This wasn't just a simple matter of Eternity jobbing to far lesser beings, which it has done, no doubt. Jobbing and losing a fight it totally different than replacing Eternity for good and what that means when you think about what Eternity means in Marvel.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
What the hell has Eternity done that's close to draining the Multiverse? Eternity has gotten his ass kicked so many times that his status as a universal abstract should be officially revoked. He represents one Universe, Mandrakk was simultaneously consuming 52 UNIVERSES. The mighty Source, a being who's power is equal or (much more likely) greater than Eternity's serves as a cell membrane of sorts keeping the universes apart and Mandrakk was draining the bleed (story) right out of it and the the universes it shielded.

The story was on a suprascopic scale, it transcended multiversal realms and became meta-textual.

Superman saw all that the DCU was on the outside looking in. All reality was like a slide on a microscope to him, matter, time, space, even story. The Infinite Book said Mandrakk would win in the end, guess what: Superman in the Cosmic Armor changed that and as such rewrote reality on an enormous scale.

And don't try to insult SMB for using words like ultimate and eternal when Infinity Gauntlet is one of the worst offenders of that sort of thing.

Funny how Thanos is referred to as "omnipotent" which would imply nothing could defeat him or the Gauntlet and yet he failed to destroy Maelstrom, or to glean what he was and the Gauntlet was later overpowered by the Living Tribunal who isn't Omnipotent either, just damn close to it.

So here we see the IG has a limit to its Omnipotence whereas the Cosmic Armor and Mandrakk as well have never been defeated except by one another.

When the Cosmic Armor was activated Mandrakk was consuming everything and the Monitors were powerless, so was the Spectre and the God he served.

Captain Allen Adam (someone who was in direct contact with the Primal Monitor and thus in the know) said that only Superman could save the day because only his story was strong enough to beat Mandrakk.

You can call it hyperbole all you want but in the end you didn't understand Superman Beyond and as such you hated it and ignored it. Why didn't you understand? Because you're a small minded man who only sees pretty pictures and lines of text.

👆 to all you said. Except the last part. I don't think he is so small minded, he just hates Superman more then everything else because in the End Superman is the sole reason his most fav char exists, Thanos. And because Superman is still the most famous Superhero 😉.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again Omega as I said earlier your kinda missing the significance of what Thanos did. He replaced Eternity's position in the universe. That would be the equivalent of whatever replacing The Source in DC. Not that are the same thing but kinda close and illustrates my point. This wasn't just a simple matter of Eternity jobbing to far lesser beings, which it has done, no doubt. Jobbing and losing a fight it totally different than replacing Eternity for good and what that means when you think about what Eternity means in Marvel.

Not the Source, maybe Kismet. 😐

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again Omega as I said earlier your kinda missing the significance of what Thanos did. He replaced Eternity's position in the universe. That would be the equivalent of whatever replacing The Source in DC. Not that are the same thing but kinda close and illustrates my point. This wasn't just a simple matter of Eternity jobbing to far lesser beings, which it has done, no doubt. Jobbing and losing a fight it totally different than replacing Eternity for good and what that means when you think about what Eternity means in Marvel.

😑 Eternity does not equal The Source at all, Kismet would be Eternitys other in the DC Universe.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Again Omega as I said earlier your kinda missing the significance of what Thanos did. He replaced Eternity's position in the universe. That would be the equivalent of whatever replacing The Source in DC. Not that are the same thing but kinda close and illustrates my point. This wasn't just a simple matter of Eternity jobbing to far lesser beings, which it has done, no doubt. Jobbing and losing a fight it totally different than replacing Eternity for good and what that means when you think about what Eternity means in Marvel.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Huh? Show me any scan that says Magus created a pocket dimension and that was what he was merging. You have shown no scans saying any such thing. So your saying it wasn't described as a universe?

WTF. You say he create another universe. It says duplicate reality.

And all he merged according to thanos at that time was the milky way. As stated on panel in the pic I provided.

And in the series to refer to out universe in the iw series they called it
a universe, our actuality, a dimension and a reality...
So think about this for a second... What is the negative zone...
Mephistos realm
Asgard
etc.

Originally posted by rotiart
WTF. You say he create another universe. It says duplicate reality.

And all he merged according to thanos at that time was the milky way. As stated on panel in the pic I provided.

And in the series to refer to out universe in the iw series they called it
a universe, our actuality, a dimension and a reality...
So think about this for a second... What is the negative zone...
Mephistos realm
Asgard
etc.

Correct and that falls in line with my train of thought. He was merging this duplicate reality with ours. The word duplicate is referring to a duplicate of our universe correct? Its not a duplicate of our pocket dimension. It was a duplicate reality of our universe. Second, he had ONLY merge the milky way galaxy at that point, nothing states that was all he was going to merge. Lastly, as you just point out it was called our universe which is exactly what I said. The thing is they are called realms or dimensions when that is exactly what they are. We know mephisto's realm is a realm because it has been labeled such. At no point was Magus duplicate reality called a realm nor a dimension nor anything like that.

Omg. Our prime universe was called a dimension.
It was called an actuality
it was also called a dimension

so if they are interchanging comments like that willy Molly you haven't proven your point

the pocket universes created for hera were copies of our own universe and not reality....

Franklin has created pocket universes before

you state over and over again it's stated that magus was merging "universes" and it stated it on panel. It did not say universes. I proved you wrong. Now you are trying some backsliding to get your original comments to ring true.

Originally posted by rotiart
Omg. Our prime universe was called a dimension.
It was called an actuality
it was also called a dimension

so if they are interchanging comments like that willy Molly you haven't proven your point

the pocket universes created for hera were copies of our own universe and not reality....

Franklin has created pocket universes before

you state over and over again it's stated that magus was merging "universes" and it stated it on panel. It did not say universes. I proved you wrong. Now you are trying some backsliding to get your original comments to ring true.

So now your trying to say because our prime universe has been called a dimension that is means something significant? Your taking isolated rarely used terms to describe our prime universe and trying to pass those off as examples of anything? The point is.. the vast vast majority of time our universe has been called EXACTLY that, a universe. Correct? That is my main point and what it is main called. Thus when he said a duplicate reality of our universe.. your damn right that more than likely means a duplicate universe in my eyes. There is no back tracking in the least. I'm going with the majority and probability of what its called your going with the minority and what could be possible.

You said it says universe over and over. And it doesn't. That's it.

Learn to read idiot. You can assume reality is why is meant
but that is not what is said.

Denied.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
👆 to all you said. Except the last part. I don't think he is so small minded, he just hates Superman more then everything else because in the End Superman is the sole reason his most fav char exists, Thanos. And because Superman is still the most famous Superhero 😉.

Not the Source, maybe Kismet. 😐

Marvel started out being the underdog, but imo due to the way dc promotes it's characters I see marvel as the heavy favorite nowadays. Superman has nothing to do with Thanos, sport.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Funny you say that, then please do tell what you actually think happened? Since it seems you feel like Reed didn't map it out, even though it clearly said that.

You keep saying ruler of ONE universe. The fact is it's the ruling of whatever universe it chooses. Unless of course your claiming an IG user can't travel to various universes.... Being that it can, thus wouldn't that make you God over any universe? Nevermind the fact that it ruled the 616 Universe which is the Prime and foundation of all other universes. Destroy it and all would come tumbling down.. multiverse included. Seems you could very easily deduce it as being a multiversal weapon.

Nobody with the Infinity Gauntlet showed themselves to be ruler over anything except their own universe. On-panel, Thanos admitted that he could go to an alternate universe and become supreme in that universe and leave Magus as ruler over 616. Enough the the whole "prime universe" schtick. 616 Galactus is the "prime" Galactus, but he isn't as powerful as every Galactus throughout the Multiverse combined. Give me a break. Thor could have killed Galactus when he was weak and dying in Fantastic Four #242. That would have eventually led to Abraxas destroying everything. Thor killing Galactus with Mjolnir doesn't make Mjolnir a multiversal weapon.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Waste of my time frankly. Because we're not arguing about interpretation of a scene here. I'm literally granting you your premise in the argument concerning feat comparison and you still don't get it. It's not hard, 1,000,000 tons being lifted > 1 ton being lifted. A Multiverse being destroyed/recreated > a single universe being taken over. And I can't remember a single instance where "Reed mapped out the omniverse" was stated on-panel.

Nobody with the Infinity Gauntlet showed themselves to be ruler over anything except their own universe. On-panel, Thanos admitted that he could go to an alternate universe and become supreme in that universe and leave Magus as ruler over 616. Enough the the whole "prime universe" schtick. 616 Galactus is the "prime" Galactus, but he isn't as powerful as every Galactus throughout the Multiverse combined. Give me a break. Thor could have killed Galactus when he was weak and dying in Fantastic Four #242. That would have eventually led to Abraxas destroying everything. Thor killing Galactus with Mjolnir doesn't make Mjolnir a multiversal weapon.

Horrible analogies used once again. Thor and his hammer are now being compared to the IG… ummm okay. The many difference are as follows. First, there was nothing certain about Thor being able to kill Galactus.. possible yes, probable no. Second, yes if he was able to kill Galactus there certainly would be repercussions felt across the multiverse, yet that doesn't make it a multiversal weapon like the IG could be. You see Thor couldn't travel to alternate universes and become God of those universes as Thanos could with the IG. Thanos could go to whatever universe he wants and become God of that universe. The same cannot even remotely be said for Thor. That was my main point. The IG is a weapon that can go to whatever universe it wants and become God of said universe, thus it could be described as a multiversal weapon. True we don't know and I don't believe it could repeat the feat of the UN on that scale, but still is a multiversal weapon because it can travel is any universe and become God. As I have stated before because the UN has a feat that the IG doesn't have, doesn't make it superior. There are many many aspects that make the IG superior to the UN. The UN is superior when it comes to erasing and recreating the multiverse on a grand scale sure. However, I could list many ways as I already have that make the IG superior. Point being, one feat doesn't make something or someone superior. It makes them superior in that one aspect that all.