Infinity Gauntlet Vs. Cosmic Armor

Originally posted by quanchi112
Like clockwork. Quote the person who won this debate. Then I can at least argue against a point other than you just cheerleading other people's arguments without understanding the argument itself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus was also in the story as was reed. Just because a feat happened years later don't act like it would have meant a difference against the ig. The ig can stop it, see their action before it happens, etc. The ig always wins against the un because of its versatility.

You don't seem to get that the Spectre isn't as powerful or capable of that the ig is capable of.

The ca adapted to Mandrakk's powers not the ig or the heart. Eternal power vs. the ability to control space, time, soul,power, reality, and the mind isn't even close by what Mandrakk accomplished in his story.

That's its best feat? LOL.

What? The ca was made to stop Mandrakk not something like the ig. They fight in the same battlefield. In an actual story the ig has always been better. The un had one feat way after the fact that have people mistakenly assume it's somehow better than the ig.

The armor was made to stop Mandrakk not the ig. Mandrakk doesn't have the abilities the ig does nor will he ever.

Ig wins any which way.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ]The IG never beat Infinity. The one time Infinity was involved in any story involving the IG was when Infinity combined with Eternity and stopped Magus with an incomplete IG in Infinity War. Beating down the Abstracts of the 616 Universe makes the IG universal. Destroying and recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink makes the UN multiversal. IG has done nothing close to that scope of power.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Scan through Page 4. It should be the top

I guess responding means you won 😉

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You don't seem to understand.

It takes a great mind to use the UN effectively. Reed is one of them, as well as Galactus. Quasar is not. The UN can restart the multiverse, univeres, or smaller amount. Since Quasar wasn't a good user of UN, you can't expect him to use it to it's full potential. In addition, Zeuodin already said that Quasar stated he could destroy the universe if he messed up. This shows that his intentions were not to use a blast that can destroy a universe

What you and others don't seem to get is Quasar is no morg. As a matter a fact Quasar as CA while Reed doesn't.
Now this is not to say that Quasar is greater than Reed when using the UN. What I'm pointing out is that Quasar is no bumbling idiot who has the brain capacity of an insect. I've seen no suggestion throughout Quasar history that would leave me to believe he was an idiot or incapable of handling the job. Furthermore, some of your guys premise is that if Reed was using it, it would've worked. Please show me any scan or implication or anything that states this? You will find nothing. Furthermore, it was NEVER not once stated why the I was able to overcome the UN. All we know is that the writer was clearly trying to convey the message that in this case, the I >UN. Period. All I see is everybody speculating about whether somebody else could've done a better job.. Well lets take a close look at things shall we... We know the iG grants user incredible versatility. He can control mind, space, time etc. We've seen a user of the I referred to as God. We've seen Galactus can do nothing to an IG user. Yet, its some people's belief that if Galactus had the UN it would've made a difference.. Yet where it when the IG was a threat to the multiverse? No where to be found... We have to remember that destroying the Prime 616 universe or replacing eternity in said universe has multiversal effects. The 616 universe in the backbone of ALL others in Marvel. When your God of the 616 universe and pwing all abstracts in it... You are in fact God of all others. Lets also not forget that Magus with an Incomplete Gauntlet was merging TWO universe together. That is a multiversal feat. Especially when one of the universes was the prime 616 Universe. Lets also remember an Incomplete IG pwned the UN & Quasar.

So, since we know all the IG has been shown to be able to do.. controlling the mind, space time etc etc... What is stopping Magus or Thanos with the IG was turning the UN back on Reed if he was using it? Are we saying Reed's mind is above an IG user? Hardly. That has been one explanation about why the UN was ineffective was because Magus messed with Quasar mind. Okay, and this couldn't also happen with Reed or pretty much most anyone who was using the UN. Lets not forget about all the things the IG can do with space, time, reality etc etc. So many tricks it can do with these gems and yet its hard for people to believe the IG can pwn the UN no matter who the user. The UN fires blasts that do... whatever he needs to do.. Very simple not much really going into such a task. If you have another person that can control space, time, mind, reality.. are you people starting to understand how many things could be done to stop ANY UN user. That is just basic logic and common sense and I'm not sure why this is so difficult to grasp. All we have on panel is the IG was made to beat the UN. The reasons why are PURE speculation by all parties. What we do know is that it won. What is also pure speculation is what would've happened if A, B or C had it. Again nobody really knows. However, as I've shown it seems very likely that it wouldn't make much of a difference who was using it.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I guess responding means you won 😉

A later feat doesn't prove the un can defeat the ig in combat. Read a little marvel sometime and you'd get the hint.

Originally posted by quanchi112
What did they say that sealed the deal for them? I mean you said I didn't read the thread but I responded to most of their arguments you pointed to already so you didn't read the thread and just briefly skimmed through it.

A later feat doesn't prove the un can defeat the ig in combat. Read a little marvel sometime and you'd get the hint.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Correction! I didn't read your bullshit 😉

The UN has been called by Reed the "most powerful weapon known."

The IG makes the wielder "God" of all reality! ... according to Reed, a host of others & the writer.

Stated on panel and by the writer himself in a Marvel Ager interview.

And there's only one being besides TOAA above "God" ... and that's the LT.

Now, 1000+ years in the future, Protege & Scathan will appear,
and they will be above the LT in power,
and further down the road, at some unknown point,
Humanity itself will evolve into individual Gods,
where they themselves will embody their own Eternity,
and the beginning and end of all things will be at their whim.

THOTI doesn't really count
since that that was a conduit to the source of TOAA's power concerning an 'in-comic story.'

** As for the IG performing a Multiversal feat:

The IG defeated 616 Eternity, which is the base of all power across Time of all Universes.

"Wolds within Worlds, Dimensions folding into themselves,
Entire UniverseS being born, and collapsing into ruin,
and yet I sense that ALL this -- is but a fraction of what Eternity is,

the core, the Heart of Eternity's being ... here All Energy, All Matter, lies,
I will detonate Eternity's Heart --- triggering another Creation event,
Re-Birthing every being and thing in All the UniverseS"

Originally posted by Mr Master
The UN has been called by Reed the "most powerful weapon known."

The IG makes the wielder "God" of all reality! ... according to Reed, a host of others & the writer.

Stated on panel and by the writer himself in a Marvel Ager interview.

And there's only one being besides TOAA above "God" ... and that's the LT.

Now, 1000+ years in the future, Protege & Scathan will appear,
and they will be above the LT in power,
and further down the road, at some unknown point,
Humanity itself will evolve into individual Gods,
where they themselves will embody their own Eternity,
and the beginning and end of all things will be at their whim.

THOTI doesn't really count
since that that was a conduit to the source of TOAA's power concerning an 'in-comic story.'

The attack use by Quasar(with UN), was it the same as the one used by Reed against Abraxas?

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Let me ask you a question

The attack use by Quasar(with UN),

was it the same as the one used by Reed against Abraxas?

The only difference between the two was range/scale.

But the bottom line is,

the same energies that erased the Multiverse by Reed,
are the same energies it took to erase Korvac's universe,
or the concept of just Death by Thanos,
or a even a mouse.

In all cases Time & Space is nullified, only at different scales of course,
one is the surrounding Space-Time of a Mouse,
the other
the surrounding Space-Time of the prime Multiverse.

Both targets are nullified from existence.

** This is why the IG > UN.

Because the IG controlled the energies that can do that to targets.

Originally posted by quanchi112
One feat that happened like 8 years later. He doesn't read marvel though.

There is one feat the occurred over a decade ago that showed the IG overpowering the UN energies sent by Quasar, or the more recent feat of Reed beating a multiversal entity and resetting the multiverse with the UN.

You mean to tell me that nullifying space around and mouse and nullifying the multiverse is all the same and requires the same amount of power? Who knew? LMAO.

I'd say it contains the same energy, obviously, but at a lesser level.

It's not simply a matter of scale and scope, imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'd say it contains the same energy, obviously, but at a lesser level.

It's not simply a matter of scale and scope, imo.

Nullifying a mouse just shows a sense of control,
like when Galactus used the UN to seek out and nullify just Korvac in a uni beam format.

Again though, the same energies that would've nullified Korvac,
nullified the Multiverse, and also nullified individual concepts as well.

I've never seen anyone adjust it's level of power, only scale of influence.

The UN bio says nothing about different levels of power either,
only that the greater the mind, the more damage it can do in terms of distance,
nothing more though that I've ever read on panel or in a Handbook.

Originally posted by Zeuodin
I mean powering my Computer and Powering the White house uses the same kind of energy too. But The power to my computer won't turn me into ash.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Infinity is just another aspect of Eternity. In a versus battle if someone goes back in time and messed with something and these actions destroy the multiverse does that mean these actions can defeat the ig in combat?

Older depictions of the UN show the sphere of nullification growing slowly from a pinpoint to a an ever encompassing sphere. When Reed used it to its greatest height seen so far, the sphere of nullification, for all intents and purposes was instant across the entire Multiverse.

Don't obfuscate the true issue being debated. The argument has always been which artifact has a greater scope of power. Not whether User X w/ UN beats User Y w/ IG. The UN has a greater scope of power hands-down. Inarguable. It destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse instantly. Best feat that the IG has is taking over the single 616 Universe. Using Magus' stomping of Quasar to reverse-project some sort of Multiversal relevance onto the IG is absurd. You're confusing the user with the artifact. You're confusing the user with the scope of power involved.

Spectre is multiversal. Just because Black Alice can steal his powers doesn't make Black Alice = multiversal+. Red Skull w/ Cosmic Cube can be universal. Cap w/ his fist punching him doesn't make his fist = universal+. A rocket launcher can wreck a building. Me killing the soldier w/ rocket launcher with a handgun doesn't make my handgun = rocket launcher+.

The whole premise is absurd.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
It's errroneous to suggest that the Eternity that fought Thanos in Infinity Gauntlet was a merged Eternity/Infinity. Infinity War made a point to highlight the revelation that Infinity and Eternity are two sides of the same coin. Nobody cares about whether a UN user can beat an IG user. Because at the highest levels we've seen, it's a "who-shoots-first" scenario. And you have to use the artifact's respectively highest showings otherwise you confuse and conflate the individual user's limitations as being the artifact's limitations.

Older depictions of the UN show the sphere of nullification growing slowly from a pinpoint to a an ever encompassing sphere. When Reed used it to its greatest height seen so far, the sphere of nullification, for all intents and purposes was instant across the entire Multiverse.

Don't obfuscate the true issue being debated. The argument has always been which artifact has a greater scope of power. Not whether User X w/ UN beats User Y w/ IG. The UN has a greater scope of power hands-down. Inarguable. It destroyed and recreated the Marvel Multiverse instantly. Best feat that the IG has is taking over the single 616 Universe. Using Magus' stomping of Quasar to reverse-project some sort of Multiversal relevance onto the IG is absurd. You're confusing the user with the artifact. You're confusing the user with the scope of power involved.

Spectre is multiversal. Just because Black Alice can steal his powers doesn't make Black Alice = multiversal+. Red Skull w/ Cosmic Cube can be universal. Cap w/ his fist punching him doesn't make his fist = universal+. A rocket launcher can wreck a building. Me killing the soldier w/ rocket launcher with a handgun doesn't make my handgun = rocket launcher+.

The whole premise is absurd.

UN remade the Multiverse.

IG stomped the power of all UniverseS across Time.

(besides needing the LT himself to interfere with the IG,
actually, by the end of Infinity War,
the order came from TOAA itself to restrict the IG from being used again)

IG makes it's wielder God beneath a power comparable or passing the LT.

This is what we get when we combine all the facts.
(no matter what took place during the Quasar incident. IG >>> UN any day, all day)

Oh, and an incomplete IG turned back its energies upon its wielder.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Talk about ownage