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Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
That Eternity that showed up in Defenders may or may not have been multiversal. What we do know, is that the 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity gauntlet and Infinity war was universal.

The Eternity that showed up in the Defenders mini,
is the same Eternity that showed up in the IG arc,
and the same Eternity that Genis/Entropy remade,
and the same Eternity that showed up in THOTI series.

All were 616 Eternity.

And yes, all were definitely absolute Multiversal powers. 🙂

In fact, 616 Eternity contains the power of all Universes across the Multiverse.
(but 616 Eternity is not the Multiverse)

Originally posted by Mr Master
The same character:
616 Eternity
clearly known and confirmed in 616 Eternity's bio.
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning the IG)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Reed using the UN)
616 Eternity 2006 Bio: (concerning Dormy in 616 and merging with Eternity power) *

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Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆

Did you seriously just thumbs up yourself? 😐

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Mr Master
The Eternity that showed up in the Defenders mini,
is the same Eternity that showed up in the IG arc,
and the same Eternity that Genis/Entropy remade,
and the same Eternity that showed up in THOTI series.
All were 616 Eternity.
And yes, all were definitely absolute Multiversal powers. 🙂
In fact, 616 Eternity contains the power of all Universes across the Multiverse.
(but 616 Eternity is not the Multiverse)
👆

Nicely done.

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Did you seriously just thumbs up yourself? 😐

🤨

rotiart Stan Lee Stole my name

Since we are so prone to using excerpts, but not the full pages from the Official handbook lately... I'll post the entire pages. And give my take on all there is. 😄
Each multiverse is comprised of a universe. The Living Tribunal came into existence with the multiverse. Eternity and many other abstracts came into existence with their universe. Each universe has 4 cornerstones: Infinity (Space), Eternity (Time), Death (All whose lives come to an end), Oblivion (Absence of space).
Each Universe is constantly falling into the Infinity Abyss. Each Universe has an Anchor chosen from its own population, Atlez/Atleza, to hold the universe in play and not falling into the Infinity Abyss.
When Edifice Rex threatened to correct the mess created by the big bang, master order was the only person who agreed. Even oblivion opposed the destruction of the universe.
After the universe was destroyed, Entropy recreated the universe by becoming Eternity.
The Living Tribunal was only defeated once, by Thanos with THOTI, but after which, Thanos restored all that was, having realized he was being manipulated by TOAA.
The Living Tribunal was asked by the astracts to rule against the IG, which he did.
"Abraxas was kept in check throughout the multiverse by the existence of Galactus. With the death of Galactus on Earth-616, Abraxas was free to roam the dimensions, killing every version of Galactus he found." Abraxas returned to the 616 universe where Franklin and Valeria had resurrected 616 galactus, Reed UNed the universe itself, and when the universe was restored, Abraxas was nowhere to be found. Since that universe already had a galactus, and time was restored, Abraxas appears to have been confined once again.

THOTI>LT>IG>UN>Eternity

P.S. The UN according to the handbook was manipulated by the IG... according to the comics, Magus's citadel had a barrier which he stated would have protected him from the UN, and it was only the interference of Kang, Doom and the Goddess, which caused him to fear the UN and then having to using the IG against the UN.

Mr Master Junior Member

Originally posted by rotiart
Since we are so prone to using excerpts, but not the full pages from the Official handbook lately... I'll post the entire pages. And give my take on all there is.
Each multiverse is comprised of a universe. The Living Tribunal came into existence with the multiverse. Eternity and many other abstracts came into existence with their universe. Each universe has 4 cornerstones: Infinity (Space), Eternity (Time), Death (All whose lives come to an end), Oblivion (Absence of space).
Each Universe is constantly falling into the Infinity Abyss. Each Universe has an Anchor chosen from its own population, Atlez/Atleza, to hold the universe in play and not falling into the Infinity Abyss.
When Edifice Rex threatened to correct the mess created by the big bang, master order was the only person who agreed. Even oblivion opposed the destruction of the universe.
After the universe was destroyed, Entropy recreated the universe by becoming Eternity.
The Living Tribunal was only defeated once, by Thanos with THOTI, but after which, Thanos restored all that was, having realized he was being manipulated by TOAA.
The Living Tribunal was asked by the astracts to rule against the IG, which he did.
"Abraxas was kept in check throughout the multiverse by the existence of Galactus. With the death of Galactus on Earth-616, Abraxas was free to roam the dimensions, killing every version of Galactus he found." Abraxas returned to the 616 universe where Franklin and Valeria had resurrected 616 galactus, Reed UNed the universe itself, and when the universe was restored, Abraxas was nowhere to be found. Since that universe already had a galactus, and time was restored, Abraxas appears to have been confined once again.
THOTI>LT>IG>UN>Eternity
From the official handbook are the entries for:
Oblivion
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Oblivion.jpg
Living Tribunal
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/LivingTribunal1.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/LivingTribunal2.jpg
Infinity
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Infinity.jpg
Eternity
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Eternity1.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Eternity2.jpg
Death
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Death1.jpg
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Death2.jpg
Abraxas
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Abraxas.jpg
Atleza
http://i639.photobucket.com/albums/uu111/Rotiart26/Marvel%20Abstracts/Atleza.jpg
P.S. The UN according to the handbook was manipulated by the IG... according to the comics, Magus's citadel had a barrier which he stated would have protected him from the UN, and it was only the interference of Kang, Doom and the Goddess, which caused him to fear the UN and then having to using the IG against the UN.

👆 .. Nice ... It took 62 pages for the unbiased facts to illuminate the non-believers. 🙂

Blanket Dead

Originally posted by Mr Master
👆 .. Nice ... It took 62 pages for the unbiased facts to illuminate the non-believers. 🙂

Someone will respond, they always do.

BTW, I have no idea what anyone is talking about.

manx422 Restricted

Cosmic Armor

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by Blanket
Someone will respond, they always do.
BTW, I have no idea what anyone is talking about.

Most agree that UN>IG (Poweroutput, Multiversal>Universal) and IG>UN (Power in the IGs Universe).

And it comes down to

CA > UN > IG > UN

shrug

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by manx422
Cosmic Armor

How? How does it defeat the ig?

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Most agree that UN>IG (Poweroutput, Multiversal>Universal) and IG>UN (Power in the IGs Universe).
And it comes down to
CA > UN > IG > UN
shrug

No actually most don't agree to that.

One v One.. The IG is superior as shown on panel.
The UN has ONE on panel feat that is superior to the IG. One.
So... I guess it depends on what you like.. Do you feel ONE greater feat in ONE specific area makes something superior.... or do you feel a one v one encounter makes somethign superior. I go for the later.

Batman-Prime Kryptonian Scientist

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
No actually most don't agree to that.
One v One.. The IG is superior as shown on panel.
The UN has ONE on panel feat that is superior to the IG. One.
So... I guess it depends on what you like.. Do you feel ONE greater feat in ONE specific area makes something superior.... or do you feel a one v one encounter makes somethign superior. I go for the later.

That's almost what i said.

One feat that shows that the poweroutput of the UN > IG. And one battle feat that shows that an incomplete IG > an incompetent UN user. shrug

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
That's almost what i said.
One feat that shows that the poweroutput of the UN > IG. And one battle feat that shows that an incomplete IG > an incompetent UN user. shrug

But it doesn't show that. By your logic Odin's power surpasses that of the Celestials as his power output is greater than the Celestials if we go based on feats.

It's laughable logic.

KuRuPT Thanosi Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
When in the hell did he ever show any inkling of being able to do this? You're god damn straight. The lack of proof ISN'T proof. But that's exactly what you're using to countervail on-panel proof. You're suggesting because I lack definitive proof to completely dispel that Thanos couldn't destroy/recreate/manipulate the entire Marvel Multiverse in a blink, that it somehow defeats an on-panel comparison of feats. That's called a negative proof fallacy. I could just throw around that the UN could destroy the Marvel Multiverse and the DC Multiverse and the LT and all of comics if I wanted. It never tried to after all. you see how stupid this sounds when applied?
Also Thanos has smashed Hulk's and Thing's head together. He's got strength feats over Spiderman easily if you weren't looking at this with tunnel-vision. Infinity Gauntlet doesn't have a single power feat that tops what the UN did. Nothing even close. Comparative proof isn't a fallacy, it's deductive logic.
Destroying/recreating the entire Marvel Multiverse instantly >>>>>>> taking over a single universe. That's plain common sense. Yes, he is. By the very definition of 616 Eternity representing the 616 universe.
That Eternity that showed up in Defenders may or may not have been multiversal. What we do know, is that the 616 Eternity that showed up in Infinity gauntlet and Infinity war was universal.

Your joking right? He has never showed an inkling of being able to do that? Interesting.. considering he did JUST THAT in the 616 Universe. Going by the bio's of Eternity it could very have been Multi-Eternity. Regardless if it was or wasn't.. the point is he's certainly showed much more than an inkling of being able to do that as he already has. So going to another universe and doing the same thing.. now becomes more difficult? Interesting logic there.

Your using the fallacy that ONE feat makes one superior and I've given you numerous examples of this not being true. Hulk, Supes, Thor etc etc all have strength feats way way greater than Thanos,Galactus etc etc.. yet we don't assume those listed are stronger now do we? They have the feats though.. which is certainly better than ONE feat. Yet, you decree that one feat in one area makes one superior. That is horrible logic. We know Wolverine has more strength feats than Sabertooth, yet when match one v one... Sabertooth appears to be stronger and has won more one v ones... Yet by your logic Wolverine would be stronger because of the feats...Now don't get me wrong.. I don't believe the IG could replicate the feat of the UN. However, to apply that makes the UN superior is a plain and simple fallacy. It makes the UN superior in ONE area of superiority. However, the IG is superior is many more ways is my point. Superior is relative and subjective. Yet, your using one feat the IG has never tried and saying.. the UN is superior. That is horrible logic. That is like me saying spiderman is superior to wolverine because he can shoot web from his hands and swing around. Yes he's superior in that one area but is that all the encompases the term superior? I think not.

Plus as we've seen on panel.. an Incomplete IG DOMINATES the UN with but a thought. One v one encouters are worth more in my book than one on panel feat in detemining which item is superior.

Blanket Dead

Originally posted by quanchi112
But it doesn't show that. By your logic Odin's power surpasses that of the Celestials as his power output is greater than the Celestials if we go based on feats.
It's laughable logic.

Bingo

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Blanket
Bingo

That's odg's logic in a nutshell. What's worse is people are saying his logic has won this debate.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

The problem with the Odin comparison is that Odin isn't multiversal, not in the same sense the UN is.

Quanchi is hardly an authority on what good logic is.

quanchi112 Disney

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem with the Odin comparison is that Odin isn't multiversal, not in the same sense the UN is.
Quanchi is hardly an authority on what good logic is.

My logic is sound. Take my name out of your mouth. Every post is personal and has nothing to do with the logic at hand here.

Just because Odin has a more powerful feat than say a Celestial that doesn't automatically he became more powerful than since his clash with the Celestials. this is like kindergarten stuff here yet people still don't get it.

Blanket Dead

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The problem with the Odin comparison is that Odin isn't multiversal, not in the same sense the UN is.
Quanchi is hardly an authority on what good logic is.

No, quan isn't. But when I've been thinking the exact same thing ever since I seen an argument with the UN being more powerful than the IG, then he's right in my mind.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by quanchi112
My logic is sound. Take my name out of your mouth. Every post is personal and has nothing to do with the logic at hand here.
Just because Odin has a more powerful feat than say a Celestial that doesn't automatically he became more powerful than since his clash with the Celestials. this is like kindergarten stuff here yet people still don't get it.

<Skipped Kindergarten 😛
The UN has done something that completely puts the IG to shame: multiversal reconstruction. The IG would win a fight but its not more powerful. The way I see it the UN is like a chunk of C-4 while the IG is a gun. In almost every scenario the guy with the gun wins the fight but the C-4 is more powerful.