Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think Marvel's big three villians - Doom, Skull, and Magneto - wouldn't bother working with Luthor. I also think that he wouldn't bother trying to get them around to his way of thinking, either.
He gets people like Sinestro, Vandal Savage, Circe, Black Adam, Brainiac, Zoom, etc. in his ring. I could see Magneto working with Lex out of practicality, and... well, tentative short-term alliances with Doom, but they'd both be too smart to stick around the other.
I don't think he's ever worked with Nazis, so he might not work with Skull on that level, but I think Lex is on a higher level than Skull anyway.
The Masters of Evil would work with Lex. Loki. Pretty much any Iron Man or Spider-man villain. A good number of X-villains. Anyone on Norman's Dark anything.
Note also: For some villains it's work 'with', that's one of the big things. He invites big hitters to sit with him, he hires small hitters to work under them, he recruits crazies by knowing how to deal with them without getting bit.
Originally posted by Kasper Gutmani agree if fisk moved his office to gotham the crime there would be more than ever and would keep bats busy 24/7
I agree with Fisk being an incredible villian for Batman, except he'd be too incredible. Batman would be owned pretty hard if he met Kingpin face to face.
Originally posted by Kasper Gutman
I agree with Fisk being an incredible villian for Batman, except he'd be too incredible. Batman would be owned pretty hard if he met Kingpin face to face.
I disagree. Batman and DD aren't far apart in fighting level, and DD can hold his own without all of Bat's gadgets he can get from the cave.
Well, for a rough idea of how it'd go, read Nightwing's series and see the variety of things he pulled against Blockbuster, who was well out of his strength league.
I don't think it'd be a stomp in either direction.
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i agree if fisk moved his office to gotham the crime there would be more than ever and would keep bats busy 24/7
Agreed. If there's one thing Fisk is good at, it's organizing crime.
IMO Lex can accomplish something similar to what osborn did, not through intelligence but to their equal level of cunning and manipulation.
Fisk imo would be able to do fine. I do agree that batman would be pretty much the only guy who would be able to find out of his existence of shady stuff. Fisk would want to be the president or anything but he would like to be the man, pulling the strings.
I think they can both do well. But Fisk imo would do better. I would say Lex would have a greater chance of being overtly evil, (running around in a armored suit attacking super heroes without even a mask).
Commenting on multiple posts above, in no particular order:
Lex is smarter than Norman. Period. (This isn't downplaying Norman, by any means, and he *is* often underestimated by his opponents/contemporaries... but Lex is a whole category above him).
Fisk would indeed do well in DC, as long as he played things very close to the vest (which is his forte' anyway). He would be a good adversary for Batman/Bruce, on multiple levels. He would *not*, however, stomp BM as a given: BM has routinely fought opponents with Kingpin's intellect/cunning/resources/physical strength/combat skills, or at least one or more facets thereof, and won. Fisk is stronger that Bruce by a significant degree, but not on par with mid-level metahumans. Could Fisk win? Absolutely. But not as a stomp, in any way, shape, or form. His greater challenge to Bruce would be on an organizational/counter- corporate level (i.e. theft, sabotage, political subversion, "redistribution" of WayneTech devices, et al). On that level, Fisk could be an absolute beast to Bruce.
While Doom, and others, are not intrinsically known for killing contemporaries in this context, this is where the difference between, say, Norman, Fisk, and Lex shines: Lex has had (and will have) consistant plans for world/galactic (when he thinks he can get away with it) domination, in one form or another. Combined with his meta-level intellect and ability to organize other villains in a more-or-less effective manner, that makes him conceptually a rival that Doom (etc) would have to either convert/manipulate, or ultimately dispose of, because Lex's plans inevitably encroach or impede others' plans on a global scale. (If Lex had *always* been in Marvel, he would have evolved, conceptually, into the likes of Doom, or gotten the mutant "zap" and become like the High Evolutionary, etc etc, as I put forth before).
It's ridiculous how Marvel fans are comparing Norman to Lex.
C'mon now... Norman to Lex? that's absurd.
Fisk.. he would become a generic Batman villain.
No matter how hard he'll try to hide, the World's Greatest Detective will track him down sooner or later.
Besides, Fisk is no intellectual. He's probably one of the best in Marvel, but he will never be in DC.
When all his resources run dry, and his criminal intents are exposed, I see him becoming one of Ra's Al Ghul's lackeys.
Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
It's ridiculous how Marvel fans are comparing Norman to Lex.
C'mon now... Norman to Lex? that's absurd.Fisk.. he would become a generic Batman villain.
No matter how hard he'll try to hide, the World's Greatest Detective will track him down sooner or later.
Besides, Fisk is no intellectual. He's probably one of the best in Marvel, but he will never be in DC.
When all his resources run dry, and his criminal intents are exposed, I see him becoming one of Ra's Al Ghul's lackeys.
ughh.....
Replace Dr. Doom with Fisk and it would be much better 😖hifty:
Fisk would die pretty fast. He would underestimate the Joker, that would be fatal.
Lex on the other hand would fare pretty well, he would become a benevolent force of good for the Human race backed up by the new Superheroes... till the day Gladiator or SS come to earth, blasted Aliens would ruin everything.
Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Replace Dr. Doom with Fisk and it would be much better 😖hifty:Fisk would die pretty fast. He would underestimate the Joker, that would be fatal.
Lex on the other hand would fare pretty well, he would become a benevolent force of good for the Human race backed up by the new Superheroes... till the day Gladiator or SS come to earth, blasted Aliens would ruin everything.