what if wilson fisk and lex luthor switched universes ?

Originally posted by the ninjak
Luther has mastered his surroundings in Metropolis City, a new world would cripple him. But kingpin is a street thug nowhere close to Supervillian Luther. But Kingpin would easily thrive in Gotham and will grow much faster. Personally I think Wilson Fisk would mess up most of DCs gotham villians. He is just too down to earth whereas most the others are just nuts.

Luthor's handled being thrown into other situations quite well before.

Gotham has both nuts-types and down to earth practical types (Penguin is not crazy for example, and there are several strong organized crime groups in gotham). And a lot of the nuts types really *are* hard to deal with. They might not have big organizations for sanity reasons, but they're sort of like landmines when setting up shop, stepping on them can chew up a lot of resources to deal with. Most of them are geniuses and can pull off some crazy stuff. Of course, there's the whole Batclan who keeps a close eye on people moving into the city's crime landscape.

Btw, some big factions in the DC's crime scene include: Intergang. Most focused in Metropolis, world wide (gotham included). High tech weapons (generally of Apokoliptian origin), lots of resources.

Ra's Al Ghul's operations/League of Assassins. Not as interested in the pure crime side, ultimately they're there to fulfill Ra's' plans, but have the dominant market share in assassinations and do use crime to raise funds. Also worldwide. A group Fisk does not want to go head to head with.

Yo.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Lex would crap himself and commit suicide
Fisk would laugh his ass off at the old fashioned Gotham and become a suitable rival to the Joker!
The second joker would turn up to one of there cookie cutter meetings kingpin would just squeez his head up.

yea, like Kingpin would/could handle Black Mask (who would be that 2nd Joker) *that* easily.........

sry, but I aint buying that; hell, Magpie would take him out if he tried to horn in too much (when she was alive that is....)

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

so he was getting some of the action that The Hood was taking in??

I find that a bit hard to believe.

Tazer

Parker Robbins (Hood) learned his business as an underboss for Fisk.

Unlike guys like Doom & Luthor Fisk was/is content to rule from the shadows which is why in the long run he has/will always outlast them because he is that much harder to take down if you dont know he is controlling you.

Originally posted by Q99
Luthor's handled being thrown into other situations quite well before.

Gotham has both nuts-types and down to earth practical types (Penguin is not crazy for example, and there are several strong organized crime groups in gotham). And a lot of the nuts types really *are* hard to deal with. They might not have big organizations for sanity reasons, but they're sort of like landmines when setting up shop, stepping on them can chew up a lot of resources to deal with. Most of them are geniuses and can pull off some crazy stuff. Of course, there's the whole Batclan who keeps a close eye on people moving into the city's crime landscape.

Btw, some big factions in the DC's crime scene include: Intergang. Most focused in Metropolis, world wide (gotham included). High tech weapons (generally of Apokoliptian origin), lots of resources.

Ra's Al Ghul's operations/League of Assassins. Not as interested in the pure crime side, ultimately they're there to fulfill Ra's' plans, but have the dominant market share in assassinations and do use crime to raise funds. Also worldwide. A group Fisk does not want to go head to head with.

Kingpin is more cunning then most of Gothams villains most of the dumb/powerful ones will end up working for him.

Black mask is his most dangerous opponent among the intelligent Gotham villains.

Fisk vs Bruce Wayne would be an interesting chess match seeiing Fisk lacks the weaknesses that most of the bat villains have.

Fisk will win some Wayne will win some it would take a long time for either on to gain a final victory.

Fisk would not attack intergang directly but would squeeze them out Fisk has taken down organizations with more resources before.

Fisk would make a deal with Ra seeing as Fisk has never been interested in overt world domination.

Originally posted by godking
Kingpin is more cunning then most of Gothams villains most of the dumb/powerful ones will end up working for him.

Black mask is his most dangerous opponent among the intelligent Gotham villains.

Fisk vs Bruce Wayne would be an interesting chess match seeiing Fisk lacks the weaknesses that most of the bat villains have.

Fisk will win some Wayne will win some it would take a long time for either on to gain a final victory.

Fisk would not attack intergang directly but would squeeze them out Fisk has taken down organizations with more resources before.

Fisk would make a deal with Ra seeing as Fisk has never been interested in overt world domination.

Yo.

Originally posted by godking
Peak Kingpin with his organization at its most powerful had his hand in EVERY criminal enterprise on the planet and was the most infuential non superhuman on the planet.

Parker Robbins (Hood) learned his business as an underboss for Fisk.

Unlike guys like Doom & Luthor Fisk was/is content to rule from the shadows which is why in the long run he has/will always outlast them because he is that much harder to take down if you dont know he is controlling you.

.............."peak" Kingpin?? 😂

my apologies, but that just sounded funny.

I find yur contention that Fisk will outlast guys like Doom & Luthor, given Fisk having been in jail *a number of times*, and Im hard-pressed to come up w/an Doom ever having been so.

methinks thou has mis-spoke a bit there. 😉

Tazer

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Which is why I liked DCAU Luthor so much. He ran a Presidential campaign as a front for his real plan.

Shit thats what bush did... anyway lets not go there.

Anyway still Controlling the government from the shadows it > the being a president and having a special agenda.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Shit thats what bush did... anyway lets not go there.

Anyway still Controlling the government from the shadows it > the being a president and having a special agenda.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Shit thats what bush did... anyway lets not go there.

Anyway still Controlling the government from the shadows it > the being a president and having a special agenda.

Originally posted by SamZED
That's what ALL presidents do, Putin did it and he's FAR from being a super genius...

Al Gore is a super genius, he made the internet.

And note the kind of stuff Luthor did while President: Make an alliance with Apokolips, for one.

Fisk just doesn't work on that level.

Originally posted by Q99
And note the kind of stuff Luthor did while President: Make an alliance with Apokolips, for one.

Fisk just doesn't work on that level.

I love the scene where Darkseid descends and asks to speak with "the leader of the insects" and Luthor replies: "that's President Insect to you!"

Still, that alliance helped save the Earth in Our Worlds at War.

Originally posted by Q99
Still, that alliance helped save the Earth in Our Worlds at War.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Agreed. He also had a face to face conversation with Darkseid later when discussing giving him Doomsday's skeleton as payment for Earth's war-debt. Kingpin never had a face to face conversation with Thanos in such a way that it was almost as if Darkseid considered him an equal. Lex Luthor's equivalent in Marvel is Dr. Doom though I won't argue that Luthor=Doom necessarily, they are close. Closer than Kingpin is to Doom.

Yea, they're both in the "these are people you have to seriously worry about taking over the world/regularly messes with global-scale heroes" league.

Kingpin... isn't.

Originally posted by Q99
Yea, they're both in the "these are people you have to seriously worry about taking over the world/regularly messes with global-scale heroes" league.

Kingpin... isn't.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

.............."peak" Kingpin?? 😂

my apologies, but that just sounded funny.

I find yur contention that Fisk will outlast guys like Doom & Luthor, given Fisk having been in jail *a number of times*, and Im hard-pressed to come up w/an Doom ever having been so.

methinks thou has mis-spoke a bit there. 😉

Tazer

Kingpin at his best was legally untouchable and the most influential non superhuman on the planet

Doom was in Prison twice in the last few years and was also banished to a hell dimension by Mr fantastic for years

It took Shield +Hydra+Daredevil + His son betraying him to finally bring Kingpin down.

Kingpins interest was never in conquering the world why should he when he could simpy control things from the shadows as did for years.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Really what Luthor did was way more impressive IMO. I'm not sure if he was a known supervillain by that point but everyone pretty much knew he was crooked and he still got people to vote for him.

Controlling from the shadows with bribes and favors is a much better strategy in the long run.

would shield be able to shut down lex corp ? cause fury would go after lex in a sec