Originally posted by AutokratUnless you're E.
I'm not denying that, but if absolutes exist I do not believe we are capable of knowing them.Humanity is rather blind. In the context of our own experience, nothing is truly objective, even though relativism is self defeating. Its sort of funny actually.
We can't really know crap.
I'm sure Mace Windu would take this after a hard battle. Dooku did defeat Windu in close-combat when the two were younger, but that was before Windu created his ultimate weapon - Vaapad.
You see, Dooku's Makashi is very swift and precise. It is a very useful form when it comes to lightsaber dueling, but it has it's flaws. It cannot stand the furious strikes of Vaapad. Additionally, let's not forget that Mace can easily reflect Dooku's Force Lighting should he be foolish enough to use it. If Dooku isn't already weakened enough by his own Dark Side powers, Mace would probably end up overpowering and cutting his arm off in a lightsaber lock.
Well in the OP I stipulated that Dooku is at the height of his force powers and knowledge, as well as having his body restored to its physical prime.
As for the saber fight, I do believe Makashi could very well defeat Vaapad, with its swift precise strikes I could see Dooku surgically striking Windu to death, or removing his limbs one by one.
As for sith lightening I do believe Windu would not be able to efficiently reflect it, as his encounter of reflecting Sidious Lightening was staged, so it is all theoretical opinion on what would happen when its intent to kill Windu is true.
Originally posted by Samurai100
Anakins Djem So managed to beat down Dokus Makashi so vaapad should easily work.
In what was one of the dumbest concepts in SW:
Anakin: Hey Dooku, I'm going to swing my massless lightsaber harder and that will break through you defense.
Dooku: Silly boy, didn't they teach you basic physics while your were training? E=MC2 and since your massless saber blade has a big "0" where the M is that means that E will also equal "0" because whenever you multiply something by "0" it becomes "0". The only thing that matters in a saber fight is leverage and I'm all about leverage because I'm a f*cking Makashi user.
Anakin: I hate you!
Originally posted by mattatomNaw but DOOD, this is Prime Dooku! His Lightning is like 50x more stronger when he's younger. That's true because I believe it to be.
Oh and the topic of Dooku's lightning, Kenobi in AOTC caught it effortlessly on his saber and in the same movie later on, Yoda stopped it with his hands and then threw it back at him. I find it hard to believe Windu wouldn't be able to reflect it.
Imagi---naaaaation...
Vaapad is a style with many weaknesses it self, as all styles have, more so it depends upont he individual utilizing said style. Dooku was said to be superior to Windu in saber skill, matched only and or suprassed only by Yoda.
I do think Makashi when utlized against Vaapad could very well overcome Vaapad more so then vaapad would overcome makashi. I see Makashi as out manuevering Vaapad as well as nitpicking through its holes in defense and movement, slicing off or wounding a limg, vital spot here and there.
In combination with Dookus superior force mastery I see Windu going down after a hard fight, I also see Windu using Vaapad as his downfall for this fight.
Originally posted by Board Walker
Vaapad is a style with many weaknesses it self, as all styles have, more so it depends upont he individual utilizing said style. Dooku was said to be superior to Windu in saber skill, matched only and or suprassed only by Yoda.
Pay attention to details man. Consider the context in which this was mentioned. Can one really be so obtuse? "It was said only two opponents ever bested him" (starwars.com). This implies past tense (from a somehwhat distant past - relatively speaking), not the state of current affairs.
Originally posted by Board Walker
I do think Makashi when utlized against Vaapad could very well overcome Vaapad more so then vaapad would overcome makashi. I see Makashi as out manuevering Vaapad as well as nitpicking through its holes in defense and movement, slicing off or wounding a limg, vital spot here and there.In combination with Dookus superior force mastery I see Windu going down after a hard fight, I also see Windu using Vaapad as his downfall for this fight.
Hmmm... Interesting logic - FAIL!!! Why then did Dooku get saber f**ked by Anakin's Djem So (a much less maneuverable form that lacks the sheer speed and offensive firepower that Vaapad allows - dozens of blades attacking from every angle)? That’s from a purely technical standing, as the metaphysical aspects of Vaapad, ESPECIALLY against darksiders make it even more effective. Dooku’s absolutely f**cked in this one, excluding his plans to have others interfere on his behalf, or him fleeing as he is known to do.
JT, I'm not sure you should ignore Dooku's Force superiority so lightly. He has been singled out (by us) as a combatant with one of the most integrated Force/Saber techniques in the mythos. He combines offensive Force use and his excellent technique (on par with Mace at least) in a way that (arguably) exceeds Sidious's abilities. Don't count him out without thinking.
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
JT, I'm not sure you should ignore Dooku's Forcesuperiorityabilities so lightly. He has been singled out (by us) as a combatant with one of the most integrated Force/Saber techniques in the mythos. He combines offensive Force use and his excellent technique (on par with Maceat leastpossibly) in a way that (arguably) exceeds Sidious's abilities. Don't count him out without thinking.
I agree with you. Almost.