Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor has resisted the molecular motion in his body being frozen which is basically what speed stealing is so that is not likely to work. Of course if its bloodlusted he still loses regardless.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Not the same. Thor has actually resisted the such an attack before. Amazo obviously wasnt as skilled with wallys power (he has been blitzed by wonder woman while possesing wallys powers) as Wally himself and so couldnt/didnt resist it.
Originally posted by Juntai
Even full chrono suspension doesn't work on Superman.
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Ice even overtook his body as his molecules stopped, when his being was put in a chrono-stasis.
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Originally posted by Kris BlazeGiven that he's mainlined to the source of all kinetic energy in the universe, I'd wager on Wally in that scenario.
Thor's hammer can absorb kinetic energy, so he should theoretically be able to remove all of Wally's speed. But seeing as Wally once absorbed the kinetic energy of an entire planet (right?) I guess it'd be hard to override his control.
But Thor isnt fast just durable on an top tier god level.
My knowledge on the Flash is limited .....these super speed fights are so common with DC characters.
I just believe that Thors biology would allow him to do at least one THING.
Flashes Speed Force sounds like a universal ability that has elevated him to Godhood.....yet Thor is already a war god who has seen it all before! He has hit Superman! So if he can hit the air he is sweet.
Well, I'm not debating who would win, I've just been filling in misinformation. I can rarely talk up Marvel characters as my knowledge of them is limited drastically by comparison, though I've read a ton of story arcs from Marvel over time, I don't have the ownership of many of them to read and reread them. My DC history knowledge though is only rivaled by a handful of people in these parts.
andd a lot of people think Thor would have problems, great or small depending on who you talk to, but problems none-the-less- with Superman's speed. Who happens to be one of the faster written characters in comics.
Something similar happens here, except . . .there's fast, and then there's blood-lusted Wally's version of fast.
Originally posted by Juntai
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Problem with that is, Flash has a connection to the source of all Kinetic energy in DC, the speedforce, and hence regardless of supermans initial resistance, flash should still be able to take his speed given that he flash is connected to the actual source of KE in DC. Hence the superman example isnt applicable to thor whose KE isnt sourced from the speedforce.
Originally posted by Naija boyI believe you tried to pull this crap arguement before. In a neutral universe, as is created here, Flash's powers will work just the same.
Problem with that is, Flash has a connection to the source of all Kinetic energy in DC, the speedforce, and hence regardless of supermans initial resistance, flash should still be able to take his speed given that he flash is connected to the actual source of KE in DC. Hence the superman example isnt applicable to thor whose KE isnt sourced from the speedforce.
Originally posted by Juntai
I believe you tried to pull this crap arguement before. In a neutral universe, as is created here, Flash's powers will work just the same.
🙄 lol, and even then this was the same bullshit and poorly thought out response u gave without properly understanding the argument. Indeed flashes powers will still work the same and hence he will be able to still steal kinetic energy from marvel characters.... However the fact that speedforce is the source of KE in DC is what gives him supreme control over the DC characters KE. The same cannot be said for thor who as well as being resistant to such attacks in general does NOT get his KE from the speedforce.
Originally posted by Philosophía
"Thor can resist Flash stealing his kinetic energy because he survived something similar!"
"Superman overcame the same type of tactic, but that didn't stop Flash from stealing his speed."
"But Flash can't steal kinetic energy!"😂
Originally posted by Naija boyNothing has been misinterpreted, that is exactly what your argument was. Once it was nullified with a direct scan of showing Superman overcoming something that, I might add, is even more impressive than the instance you're reffering to with Thor, you tried to change the argument and thus the discussion into the speedforce not having anything to do with Thor and thus this tactic not being applicable.
Seriously?facepalm
Misrepresenting other peoples arguments is truly a great skill.lmao
Originally posted by Philosophía
Nothing has been misinterpreted, that is exactly what your argument was. Once it was nullified with a direct scan of showing Superman overcoming something that, I might add, is even more impressive than the instance you're reffering to with Thor, you tried to change the argument and thus the discussion into the speedforce not having anything to do with Thor.
Stop deluding urself. I never tried to change any argument. I never claimed or even suggested that flash could not steal kinetic energy. That was just a poor strawman attempt at misrepresenting my argument. I had already acknowledged flash's ability to steal speed/KE which is the only reason that i brought up thor resisting a similar attack in defense against it. After the superman scan was brought up i stated that flash overiding supermans resistance to such attacks was due to his control of the speedforce, the source of DCs KE. Hence the example would not be applicable to thor and his resistance because the source of thors KE is not the speedforce.
Your original counter-argument to the speed-stealing tactic, and what you were discussing with Juntai, was based on the scan of Thor reisting something that, as Juntai showed, Superman did too, and he still was unable to resist the speed stealing. Thus you lost that argument. Then you tried to redirect the discussion twoards Thor not being connected to the speed force, unlike Supes, and thus not having the same effect. You should've been more clear with the "Hence the superman example isnt applicable to thor whose KE isnt sourced from the speedforce." since it implies what I said. And you should have sticked with that because your current stance one is even worse. You're saying that all of the Flash's speed-steal feats are irrelevant to Thor because it happened in his own Universe, where there is the Speedforce, and so even if the characters have feats identical to the ones being used for Thor resisting this tactic, and still not stopping their speed being stolen, it's irrelevant.
There are quite a few problems with that. You're trying to bypass the 'Neutral Universe' rule by trying to attain the middle ground "Yeah, he can still steal speed but Thor isn't connected to the speedforce so it wouldn't work the same!". But there isn't a middle ground. Flash gets his powers from the speedforce. This allows him to steal kinetic energy. Either you're saying that Thor (and characters from the MU) aren't connected to the speedforce and as a consequence he won't be able to steal their kinetic energy -which you apparently didn't- or we go by the neutral universe rule, and thus his abilities work to the fullest against any character-which you didn't aswell-. Pulling arbitrary "His powers work on Thor, but since he isn't connected to the speedforce.. it won't work like on the others!" stances is laughable, but when you run out of arguments, what can you do, right ?
Originally posted by Philosophía
Your original counter-argument to the speed-stealing tactic, and what you were discussing with Juntai, was based on the scan of Thor reisting something that, as Juntai showed, Superman did too, and he still was unable to resist the speed stealing. Thus you lost that argument. Then you tried to redirect the discussion twoards Thor not being connected to the speed force, unlike Supes, and thus not having the same effect. You should've been more clear with the "Hence the superman example isnt applicable to thor whose KE isnt sourced from the speedforce." since it implies what I said. And it should have sticked with that because you're current one is even worse. You're saying that all of the Flash's speed-steal feats are irrelevant to Thor because it happened in his own Universe, where there is the Speedforce, and so even if the characters have feats identical to the ones being used for Thor resisting this tactic, and still not stopping their speed being stolen, it's irrelevant.There are quite a few problems with that. You're trying to bypass the 'Neutral Universe' rule by trying to attain the middle ground "Yeah, he can still steal speed but Thor isn't connected to the speedforce so it wouldn't work the same!". But there isn't a middle ground. Flash gets his powers from the speedforce. This allows him to steal kinetic energy. Either you're saying that Thor (and characters from the MU) aren't connected to the speedforce and as a consequence he won't be able to steal their kinetic energy -which you didn't- or we go by the neutral universe rule, and thus his abilities work to the fullest against any character-which you didn't aswell-. Pulling arbitrary "His powers work on Thor, but since he isn't connected to the speedforce.. it won't work like on the others!" stances is laughable, but when you run out of arguments, what can you do, right ?
At least here u tried to give a more decent reply. Indeed my orginal counter argument to the speed stealing tactic was based off thor resisting a similar attack. However when Juntai showed that superman had also resisted a similar attack, I pointed out that due to the speedforce being the actual source of supermans KE and not thors, the example woulld not be applicable to thor. This wasnt an attempt to redirect the discussion as u dubiously claim but rather a counter point explaining why i thought the example used to fault my orginal stance was innaplicable.
And further, a "middle ground" as u put it can be attained. The speedforce gives flash a particular ability, which is the ability to steal Kinetic energy. Kinetic energy is an energy form native to both the Marvel and DC universe and so there is no reason to suggest that flash wont be able to steal KE even from marvel characters. Hence flash will still retain his ability to steal KE in a neutral universe. However, my point about the reason he was able to overide supermans control and it being applicable to characters like thor still stands. This is because if we assume that the supreme control of KE that the flashes connection to the speedforce grants him is applicable to Thor in this scenario then it would assume that every MU character is under the dominion of the speedforce as well, and hence violate the neutral universe rule on their part since the speedforce isnt the source of their KE. Attributing statements to me that i never made is what is laughable and frankly is downright trolling.
