Originally posted by JakeTheBank
😆I think it's pretty even though, too.
LOL, Yeah, when it comes to certain speedster, yes, sometimes I give thor the advantage because he has proven that he can keep up with high speed beings but people like the flash and runner; naah. I do think that he has enough power and damage soak to pull some wins though.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I understand...... but all I am fighting for is the idea that Thor can at least hit ground when Wally makes his strike.The whole absorbing Speedforce ideas originated from other sources.
Although I have seen it in recent trades of Flash.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Thor has resisted the molecular motion in his body being frozen which is basically what speed stealing is so that is not likely to work. Of course if its bloodlusted he still loses regardless.
That is not how the flashes speed stealing works though. Flash could speed steal anyone do to the speed force. But anyways, we agree so it is moot.
Originally posted by the ninjak
But Thor isnt fast just durable on an top tier god level.
My knowledge on the Flash is limited .....these super speed fights are so common with DC characters.I just believe that Thors biology would allow him to do at least one THING.
Flashes Speed Force sounds like a universal ability that has elevated him to Godhood.....yet Thor is already a war god who has seen it all before! He has hit Superman! So if he can hit the air he is sweet.
If it weren't bloodlusted, I would agree, however the bloodlust gives flash a huge advantage. Like I said earlier, pretty much any herald leveler is going down hard against a bloodlusted flash.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Problem with that is, Flash has a connection to the source of all Kinetic energy in DC, the speedforce, and hence regardless of supermans initial resistance, flash should still be able to take his speed given that he flash is connected to the actual source of KE in DC. Hence the superman example isnt applicable to thor whose KE isnt sourced from the speedforce.
The speed force governs all speed. He can steal speed from bullets and other inanimate objects. Even without the speed steal Thor still goes down hard in this scenario.
Originally posted by snyper1982
The speed force governs all speed. He can steal speed from bullets and other inanimate objects. Even without the speed steal Thor still goes down hard in this scenario.
I know that it governs all speed in DC. It was infact crucial to my argument. and thor losing was never in doubt.
Originally posted by Naija boy
Try actually reading the argument before making foolish comments. Neutral universe rules mean that the character will operate as he does in his own universe i.e Flash will still have the ability to steal KE granted to him by the speedforce but the SF wont be the source or supreme control of Thors KE.
That is a slippery slope. If that is the case, maybe Marvel's magic works differently than DC's, and means it has no effect on flash at all. Or since DC doesn't have the power cosmic, matter manip or energy blasts coming from the power cosmic wielding character won't work on DC characters... Where does it stop?
Originally posted by the ninjak
I understand...... but all I am fighting for is the idea that Thor can at least hit ground when Wally makes his strike.The whole absorbing Speedforce ideas originated from other sources.
Although I have seen it in recent trades of Flash.
I seriously think you just don't comprehend how fast the flash is. Thor isn't going to have a chance to do anything. He is going to get IMP'd until he is KO'ed before he processes a thought.
Originally posted by snyper1982
That is a slippery slope. If that is the case, maybe Marvel's magic works differently than DC's, and means it has no effect on flash at all. Or since DC doesn't have the power cosmic, matter manip or energy blasts coming from the power cosmic wielding character won't work on DC characters... Where does it stop?
No u arent getting my argument at all. Im not suggesting that just because the speedforce isnt in marvel, speedstealing wont work on marvel characters. Not at all. Ive actually mentioned already that flash will still be able to steal speed/KE from MU characters. Hence ur power cosmic analogy is inapplicable. The post u quoted was an isolated response addressing the implications of a particular rule.