Flash (Wally) vs Thor

Supes is a humanoid whos physical and mental attributes have been multiplied due to a yellow sun.
Thor is a god.
Supes is vunerable to forces of Thor's nature being magic.
I could argue that when Wally tries to absorb Thor's electricity, Thor will just aborb it back!
and any damage Wally tries to apply to Thor wouldnt have much effect.
If Supes can repel Flashes absorbtion then Thor can do it easily.
Seeming that flashes power is based on absorbing energy to fuel his speedforce Thor may laugh this off.

Originally posted by Starscream M
it surprised me because everyone gives flash edge over Thor but don't give superman edge over thor even though superman is virtually as fast as flash

I dont see the same argument for surfer because surfer doesnt really speed blitz

With CIS off, there's no reason why Surfer couldn't zip around a foe like an electron 'round a nucleus, hurling blasts like fists from all directions.

CIS on, of course, is business as usual.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Restating everything I said is wrong with your own stance doesn't help it. Surprising, I know. It does seem to work for certain posters.
This doesn't seem to sink in. Or better yet, you don't want it to sink in. Let's just take this into kindergarden steps.

How does Wally steal kinetic energy ?

Falsely categorizing my post(once again) while ignoring its main point regarding the applicability of the neutral universe rule to both marvel and DC characters and instead coming back with snide responses does not help ur case at all im afraid. Though u seem to have transformed it into ur primary debating strategy.lol

Wally's ability to steal kinetic energy is an ability that is granted to him by the speedforce. In order for the neutral universe rule to be applicable both ways, it would have to be based on the premise that that Wally can indeed still steal KE itself (because that is the ability the speedforce grants him) but also that thor nor any other marvel character would have the speedforce as the source of their KE. Therefore while his ability would work fine, any added advantage he would gain from his opponent KE being sourced from the speedforce would be nullified. The two extremely narrow categories of arguments which mentioned in ur previous post would both make the neutral universe rule inapplicable to one of the combatants and hence are invalid.

If stealing kinetic energy is something that Wally is able to do due to the speedforce, and neither Thor nor anybody else from Marvel is connected to it, how would he be able to steal Thor's energy in the first place, like you're saying he does ?

Or, it seems you're implying that kinetic energy stealing is not dependent on the opponent being connected to the speedforce and, in that case, how is it relevant whether or not Superman, the guy who did the same thing you use as an argument for Thor and still couldn't stop speed-stealing, is from DC/connected to the speedforce or not ?

Originally posted by Philosophía
If stealing kinetic energy is something that Wally is able to do due to the speedforce, and neither Thor nor anybody else from Marvel is connected to it, how would he be able to steal Thor's energy in the first place, like you're saying he does ?

Or, it seems you're implying that kinetic energy stealing is not something that can be done to those only connected to the speedforce and, in that case, how is it relevant whether or not Superman, the guy who did the same thing you use as an argument for Thor and still couldn't stop speed-stealing, is from DC/connected to the speedforce or not ?

Im saying that stealing kinetic energy is an ability which the speedforce gives Wally and hence not limited to only those who gain their KE from the SF.

The reason that superman being connected to the speedforce is important however is because due to that connection Wally had an added advantage in regards to stealing supes speed (his speed force connection). A flash's greater connection/control of the speedforce would sensibly be able to overide the resistance to speedstealing of a character whose KE is sourced from the speed force itself. TO summarize,

The speed force gives flash an ability: Kinetic energy stealing
That ability can be used on beings with kinetic energy. (regardless of source)
However against beings who actually obtain their KE from the SF, flash has an added advantage due to his connection and manipulation of the speedforce, since in regards to those characters the SF is the supreme control regarding kinetic energy.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im saying that stealing kinetic energy is an ability which the speedforce gives Wally and hence not limited to only those who gain their KE from the SF.

The reason that superman being connected to the speedforce is important however is because due to that connection Wally had an added advantage in regards to stealing supes speed (his speed force connection). A flash's greater connection/control of the speedforce would sensibly be able to overide the resistance to speedstealing of a character whose KE is sourced from the speed force itself. TO summarize,

The speed force gives flash an ability: Kinetic energy stealing
That ability can be used on beings with kinetic energy. (regardless of source)
However against beings who actually obtain their KE from the SF, flash has an added advantage due to is connection and manipulation of the speedforce, since in regards to them the SF is the supreme control regarding kinetic energy.

Makes total sense to me....
Flash absorbs kinetic energy more from other speedsters around him.
Thor is'nt fast therefore nothing to absorb but Thor's lightning...
Thor absorbs all energy into his hammer...
Slower Flash = Thor hitting ground to create electicity storm.
Thor hits the air.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Makes total sense to me....
Flash absorbs kinetic energy more from other speedsters around him.
Thor is'nt fast therefore nothing to absorb but Thor's lightning...
Thor absorbs all energy into his hammer...
Slower Flash = Thor hitting ground to create electicity storm.
Thor hits the air.

It's not like he will need to steal Thor's speed to win this battle.

Originally posted by the ninjak
Makes total sense to me....
Flash absorbs kinetic energy more from other speedsters around him.
Thor is'nt fast therefore nothing to absorb but Thor's lightning...
Thor absorbs all energy into his hammer...
Slower Flash = Thor hitting ground to create electicity storm.
Thor hits the air.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
That's totally Bullshit
Never heard of such a thing

*Sigh* please dont even bother to comment. ive never seen flash steal speed from someone not connected to the speedforce. This is a hypothetical matchup in which flash is facing someone that is not connected to the speedforce (which has never happened before). All we can do is bring forth solutions in which the site rules are applicable to both characters. My argument is that middle ground.
Further there was no bullshit in that post. The speedforce is the source and supreme control of KE in the DC universe. It isnt in marvel.

Originally posted by kgkg
You don't need to be fast for flash to absorb kinetic energy he has done to slower characters 🙂

It's not like he will need to steal Thor's speed to win this battle.

Just stating how Flash can absorb Supe's natural speed into his Speed Force abilities.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He can steal speed from beings that don't move like he did to Amazo

Yeah but not enough to stop a God from hitting the ground

Originally posted by Naija boy
*Sigh* please dont even bother to comment. ive never seen flash steal speed from someone not connected to the speedforce. This is a hypothetical matchup in which flash is facing someone that is not connected to the speedforce (which has never happened before). All we can do is bring forth solutions in which the site rules are applicable to both characters. My argument is that middle ground.

Yeah but not enough to stop a God from hitting the ground

Ahh I will say of this thread don't know why I'm always arguing against Thor.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You dismissing the rules yourself. There is this thing called neutral universe rules.

Try actually reading the argument before making foolish comments. Neutral universe rules mean that the character will operate as he does in his own universe i.e Flash will still have the ability to steal KE granted to him by the speedforce but the SF wont be the source or supreme control of Thors KE.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
You dismissing the rules yourself. There is this thing called neutral universe rules.

I agree!

Amazo had the power of a couple of JLA member and even he coult do shit. Stop being bias

Just working off average Physics...

Speedster who can tap into the speedforce.
To attain certain power levels must reach certain speeds.
Time travel requires Flash to increase and strain speeds.
Speedster gains added momentum when around another being who can tap the Speedforce.
Thor cannot tap Speedforce allthough once did!
Flash Runs in raged expecting to gain momentum.
Doesnt receive any.
Flash punches Thor 2127 times before......
Thor hits the ground creating Energy Storm.
Flash circles Thor not being able to touch him.
Thor hits the air after feeling hundreds of taps hit his body.
Thor watches quick red streak run around the field.
Thor teleports out for stratagem.

STALEMATE

Self bfr

Originally posted by Naija boy
*Sigh* please dont even bother to comment. ive never seen flash steal speed from someone not connected to the speedforce. This is a hypothetical matchup in which flash is facing someone that is not connected to the speedforce (which has never happened before). All we can do is bring forth solutions in which the site rules are applicable to both characters. My argument is that middle ground.
Further there was no bullshit in that post. The speedforce is the source and supreme control of KE in the DC universe. It isnt in marvel.

Originally posted by Trackz
that doesn't mean he can't, he's never stated they need to be connected to the speedforce for him to steal their speed. The reason he hasn't (maybe he has I haven't read every issue of flash) is because he's faster than most people that aren't connected to the speed force and wouldn't need to, against thor it is a completely viable tactic. The last part of your post doesn't make much sense just because the speedforce doesn't exist in marvel doesn't mean it wouldn't work against thor.

Originally posted by Trackz
that doesn't mean he can't, he's never stated they need to be connected to the speedforce for him to steal their speed. The reason he hasn't (maybe he has I haven't read every issue of flash) is because he's faster than most people that aren't connected to the speed force and wouldn't need to, against thor it is a completely viable tactic. The last part of your post doesn't make much sense just because the speedforce doesn't exist in marvel doesn't mean it wouldn't work against thor.

facepalm. The speedforce is the source of all KE in DC , so hence all DC characters get their KE from it . Thats the "connection" im referring to, not in the same sense that flash is connected to it. Further please actually read and attempt to grasp my entire argument before jumping in head on with irrelevant responses