Flash (Wally) vs Thor

Originally posted by Naija boy
No u arent getting my argument at all. Im not suggesting that just because the speedforce isnt in marvel, speedstealing wont work on marvel characters. Not at all. Ive actually mentioned already that flash will still be able to steal speed/KE from MU characters. Hence ur power cosmic analogy is inapplicable. The post u quoted was an isolated response addressing the implications of a particular rule.

So I don't get why Thor would be able to resist a speed steal from flash based on a feat, that superman has a similar feat of, yet supes could not resist the speed steal. Where is the logic in that?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
LOL so what these are not wallye's own feats

another timeline

Originally posted by the ninjak

I could argue that when Wally tries to absorb Thor's electricity, Thor will just aborb it back!
and any damage Wally tries to apply to Thor wouldnt have much effect.
If Supes can repel Flashes absorbtion then Thor can do it easily.
Seeming that flashes power is based on absorbing energy to fuel his speedforce Thor may laugh this off.

I think what Ninjak is trying to convey, is that when two people who can manipulate a source of energy meet, they stalemate. Such as two fire manipulators. Wally can absorb kinetic energy, so can Thor. Therefore, neither would be able to absorb it from one-another.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I think what Ninjak is trying to convey, is that when two people who can manipulate a source of energy meet, they stalemate. Such as two fire manipulators. Wally can absorb kinetic energy, so can Thor. Therefore, neither would be able to absorb it from one-another.

It's pretty clear he doesn't belong in this conversation, from what I gather of his various responses.

Originally posted by Juntai
The whole post I quoted was ****ed up though.
Flash doesn't have to fuel the speedforce by absorbing energy.
Superman never resisted Flash's attempt at a speedsteal.
Why would flash be trying to steal energy from bolts of lightning?

It's pretty clear he doesn't belong in this conversation, from what I gather of his various responses.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Yeah it's....hard to look at

Originally posted by snyper1982
So I don't get why Thor would be able to resist a speed steal from flash based on a feat, that superman has a similar feat of, yet supes could not resist the speed steal. Where is the logic in that?

Supermans KE is sourced from the SF and governed by the SF. Hence regardless of his initial resistance to these type of atacks, Flash is empowered by the force that supremely governs supermans KE and would be able to absorb it. Thor on the other hand isnt under the dominion of the SF and has resistance to such attacks and, therefore the added benefit of the speed forces position as the source and governing force regarding KE in DC which gives him near supreme control over those characters KE regardless of their resistance to similar attacks by other characters, would not be present in thors case.

Originally posted by Juntai
The whole post I quoted was ****ed up though.
Flash doesn't have to fuel the speedforce by absorbing energy.
Superman never resisted Flash's attempt at a speedsteal.
Why would flash be trying to steal energy from bolts of lightning?

It's pretty clear he doesn't belong in this conversation, from what I gather of his various responses.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait I thought Flash had some kind of issues stealing Supes's speed though, didn't he say it would destroy the planet or something like that?

Edit. Why not.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Im saying that stealing kinetic energy is an ability which the speedforce gives Wally and hence not limited to only those who gain their KE from the SF.

The reason that superman being connected to the speedforce is important however is because due to that connection Wally had an added advantage in regards to stealing supes speed (his speed force connection). A flash's greater connection/control of the speedforce would sensibly be able to overide the resistance to speedstealing of a character whose KE is sourced from the speed force itself. TO summarize,

The speed force gives flash an ability: Kinetic energy stealing
That ability can be used on beings with kinetic energy. (regardless of source)
However against beings who actually obtain their KE from the SF, flash has an added advantage due to his connection and manipulation of the speedforce, since in regards to those characters the SF is the supreme control regarding kinetic energy.

If the speedforce grants the Flash the ability to stea/lend/control kinetic energy, it wouldn't be relevant on whether or not the Thor is actually connected to the speedforce. As hilarious as it is to see you pull stuff out of your ass, there is no evidence in comics that Wally can steal kinetic energy from somebody not connected to the speedforce and whether or not that person being connected to the speedforce is affecting Wally's control over his kinetic energy.

I know it might seem strange, but I didn't ask you how Wally steals speed just to hear your expert opinion on things. You have two options, either Wally steals the speed due to the speedforce being the source of all kinetic energy in the DCU, and thus he does nothing more than manipulate it or, it's an ability that's not dependent on the speedsource being the source for the kinetic energy, and thus working independently, which makes Thor, or any other character not being connected to it, susceptible to it like any DCU character. Taking the third, non-existent, "hey, I'll just say it because it's convenient" option doesn't fly, from evidence or logical standpoint. "Yeah, it's a separate ability and thus works on any person, but not really separate, since the person being connected to the speedforce is critical to his level of control. Based on what ? HOW DARE YOU, TROLL?!".

Simply put:

The origin of Flash' powers does not matter. Kinetic energy is kinetic energy.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Simply put:

The origin of Flash' powers does not matter. Kinetic energy is kinetic energy.

Yes, but apparently if the kinetic energy is generated by the speedforce, it means Wally has greater control over it than if it's not. Because it's speedforce-generated kinetic energy, get it ? It's perfectly logical. It's so great, it doesn't even need evidence.

Originally posted by Philosophía
If the speedforce grants the Flash the ability to stea/lend/control kinetic energy, it wouldn't be relevant on whether or not the Thor is actually connected to the speedforce. As hilarious as it is to see you pull stuff out of your ass, there is no evidence in comics that Wally can steal kinetic energy from somebody not connected to the speedforce and whether or not that person being connected to the speedforce is affecting Wally's control over his kinetic energy.

Just to be clear/make sure *I* am understanding what you're posting: Wally does have the ability to steal kinetic energy/speed from others, even if that person isn't connected to the Speed Force (as he did to the Cheetah, when she and Zoom fought Wally and Diana, and Wally stole speed from Barbara, leaving her momentarily without her supernatural speed). Just clarifying to make sure I understand what you posted.

Originally posted by tideoftime
Just to be clear/make sure *I* am understanding what you're posting: Wally does have the ability to steal kinetic energy/speed from others, even if that person isn't connected to the Speed Force (as he did to the Cheetah, when she and Zoom fought Wally and Diana, and Wally stole speed from Barbara, leaving her momentarily without her supernatural speed). Just clarifying to make sure I understand what you posted.

Thanks guys, I didn't have the patience to keep going forward with that argument. I've went over it in other threads already. I'm sure it'll come back again another day.

People seem to confuse absorbing kinetic energy with cutting a person off from the speedforce. Completely different moves.

Thor cuts Wally off from the speedforce. 😖hifty:

Wally cuts Thor off from the Thorforce 😖hifty: