Originally posted by Omega VisionWe weren't shown it in fc. So we default back to classic seid which had some writers agree Superman is more powerful than Darkseid.
Superman isn't Darkseid's superior as you seem to believe. He shouldn't even be his equal or even his near equal. Darkseid was (and according to FC is) at least skyfather. Writers just forgot that, sort of like Apocalypse losing to the X-Men or dodging a table.
Supes has his number. Even in fc he beat him.
I agree writers have dropped the ball with Darkseid at times, considering how he's supposed to be the biggest threat to the mainstream DC Universe. I've personally always hated the idea of the avatar/clone/thanosi/doombot shtick. It's a lazy way to cop out of a story or to cover up a bad or low showing, imo.
Originally posted by quanchi112
He's also called the man titan not the mad titanian. LOL.Hyperbole. Worked on batman anyways not anyone near Thanos level. LOL.
See countdown 3, apokolips now, or hunter prey for more exciting information on how durable and formidable Dark is.
I know all that. One thing that would be amusing is seeing how useless Thanos shields would be against the reality altering Omega powers.
Originally posted by AllanklesI'd love to see Darkseid fall short against them. heck, when the guy is capable of taking out Doomsday with his omega beams you pm me right away.
I know all that. One thing that would be amusing is seeing how useless Thanos shields would be against the reality altering Omega powers.
Originally posted by Allankles
I know all that. One thing that would be amusing is seeing how useless Thanos shields would be against the reality altering Omega powers.
Originally posted by Omega VisionYou only have dc to blame.
Old school Omega Beams got to you no matter what, unless you were Firestorm. If Kirby had invested as much concern for Darkseid as Starlin had for Thanos he would have had a lot fewer low showings. And conversely if Starlin hadn't treated Thanos like such a Pygmalion he would have gotten slapped around a lot more.
Originally posted by quanchi112
You only have dc to blame.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I'd love to see Darkseid fall short against them. heck, when the guy is capable of taking out Doomsday with his omega beams you pm me right away.
Yeah except that's not even what I'm talking about.
The Omega Sanction has no physical barriers as demonstrated when DS altered the reality of Mr Mircale's life while Miracle was inside a blackhole.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI think Superman at his core is more formidable than ds. The only way to change things is change ds altogether with competent writing.
I do blame DC. Darkseid dying in Final Crisis was the best thing that could happen to him as a character. I only hope that when the inevitable resurrection comes its both handled well (in a way that makes sense and doesn't seem like a flimsy excuse to bring back a cosmic villain in lieu of creating a new one from scratch) and done in such a way that it restores DS to his rightful place in the DC hierarchy as a JLA Bashing, Lords of Chaos-and-Order-threatening arch-villain who makes Superman's blood run cold just by staring at him. Grant Morrison decided on Batman killing him as an ironic end considering that his greatest qualm with how the character had been handled was that it seemed Batman could now beat him in a fight. Which in his words "is bullshit".
Originally posted by quanchi112
I think Superman at his core is more formidable than ds. The only way to change things is change ds altogether with competent writing.
Originally posted by AllanklesNo, he hasn't. Superman isn't the small weakling here. Jurgens claims Superman is more powerful than darkseid. darkseid's status, his influence, and his mind is what makes him scary while Superman's the one with more raw power at his disposal. I agree with jurgens on this matter. You're stuck in the past I am afraid.
DS vs Superman dynamic is about the hero overcoming great odds. It's the classic David and Goliath relationship.Against other gods and rivals DS is immense, but Superman is his David. And even still DS has gotten the better of him more times than the reverse in Post Crisis.
Originally posted by Omega VisionAncient history. Like I said darkseid used to be more formidable and what not, but recently he's a rival to Orion, Superman, and vastly inferior to someone like DD.
Explain how he is more formidable. I'm curious to know. Classic Darkseid's powers were>>>>Thanos and yet you think Superman has no chance against Thanos.
When has Superman done anything approaching this?
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA184-13.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA184-14.jpg
http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh187/DarkseidRes/JLA184-15.jpg
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His spirit was strong enough so that even after his bodily death he was able to reach across universal barriers to manifest as an incredibly powerful construct in Earth 2 and beat a team of supervillains that could threaten the combined JSA.
Originally posted by galactusischereNo, that's not true. thanos' showings are more impressive while darkseid's aren't. That's why you hear complaining about why this showing doesn't count and why this is pis. Thanos is just on a whole other level than Darkseid was. thanos gained more power as the years went on while darkseid lost more power/credibility as they went on.
Here's the thing, if you like DC more then you're probably going to side with DS, if you like Marvel more then your going to side with Thanos.
This has been argued and argued to no avail.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Ancient history. Like I said darkseid used to be more formidable and what not, but recently he's a rival to Orion, Superman, and vastly inferior to someone like DD.
