War and Link vs Kratos, Bayonetta and Dante

I open it on a program like paint of PS, highlight the chosen part and it'll tell you.

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Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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i know 2 + 2 = 4....can i be your friend?

Originally posted by BloodRain
I apologise for the length ^^;;

Link:

170 = 1.83m
300 = 3.23m
354 = 3.81m*

3.23^3 = 33.70m3 = V
3.81^3 = 55.30m3 = v*

eg; granite
d = 2.6

33.70 x 2.6 = 87.62 metric tons = [b]96.58 tons
55.30 x 2.6 = 143.78 metric tons = 158.49 tons*

*-Angle is stretched, using the one at the base to match Link.
-Not the one being used but to get the max result.

Corrected the pixel count on the top line. That would make that block near 4.5m, obviously too large when you look at it. And i recall you using a lighter density, thought i may as well up it to granite.

The only reason I measured from the top to begin with was to account for OoT being very unkind in terms of camera angles suitabble for measurement. Link is constantly being forshortened. Managing to get the screenie at just the right time, is very difficult. With foreshortening accounted for, and Link being about 2M tall, you can see that the block /is/ about 4M in height by a vague eye-balling. That said, I can't take any real issue with this. Well done, sir.

Pic1 Is where i got the figures from. Pic2 is where i got the height from. Pic3 is for #3 below.

#1- Using the corrected figures from that image:
[Base of pillar]
75 = 6ft
135 = 10.8ft

A = L2 (3√3/2)
A = 10.8 x 10.8 [(3x1.73205)/2]
A = 16.64 x 2.6
A = 303.264

[Height of pillar]
98 = 6ft
268 = 16.408 (Half way up) x 2
= 32.816ft (Whole height)
1. H = 60
2. H = 32.816

[Pillar volume in cubic feet]
1. 18195.84 (Area/Base x Height)
2. 9704.445 (Area/Base x Height)

1. 18195.84 x 179 = 3257055.36 lbs
= 1628.528 tons
2. 9704.445 x 179 = 1737095.655 lbs
= 868.548 tons

#2- From the number at the of the pillar:
[Base of pillar]
75 = 6f
113 = 9.04ft

A = 81.721 x 2.6
A = 212.475

[Height of pillar]
1. H = 60
2. H = 32.816

[Pillar volume in cubic feet] = V
1. 12748.5
2. 6799.2

1. 12748.5 x 179 = 2281981.5 lbs
= 1140.99 tons
2. 6799.2 x 179 = 1217056.8 lbs
= 608.528 tons

#3- Figures taken without the pillar:
[Base of pillar]
111 = 6ft
154 = 8.324ft
A = 69.289 x 2.6
A = 180.151

1. H = 60
1. H = 32.816

[Pillar volume in cubic feet]
1. 10809.06
2. 5911.835

1. 10809.06 x 179 = 1934821.74 lbs
= 967.41 tons
2. 5911.835 x 179 = 1058218.465 lbs
= 529.109 tons

#3 is the most accurate, then #2 then #1.
All 2.'s are the more accurate answers based on height compared to 1.'s.
Just to average off the three results; 1. 1245.642 tons 2. 668.728 tons.

Having persoanlly run the numbers on these damn pillars about a thousand times, I have to say you've done pretty well. I find measuring side length from the very bottom of the pillar to be flawed, again, because of foreshortening. (hence my originally measuring from a bit above Link's head.) That image of mine which you've corrected is pretty old, too, I'd like to add. 😛 The third image in the series is a good idea. But I have a secret to share with you when dealing with these pillars: I've discovered a seam in the texture which corresponds exactly with Link's height, resulting in more accurate measurements. (Finally having defeated OoT's camera angle. It's great for gameplay, but not for math.) I've also gotten extremely varied numbers with this pillar. (It varies on the camera angle, and how ambitious I feel when it comes to cutting the size down.) I've gotten numbers ranging from 1700+ to 1300. The funny part is I was trying to shrink the pillar harder when I got the 1700+. I failed, or something.

If I can get a screenshot of the seam in the texture, I'll share it with you. That said, your formula for base area was a little unclear. Some variables went un-named, is all. I'm not doubting your math, just asking you to elaborate on those.
Dante:

The green cylinder is to roughly show the part being measured here.
Oval= Pi x 1/2A x 1/2B
(A came from pic2, B came from pic1)

Pi x 180 x 133 = 75171.6cm2 = Base
1660 = Height
v = 124784856cm3
D = 2.2 - 2.8 (limestone, marble or similar)

A x D = 274526682.2 - 349397596.8 g/cm3

= 302.614 - 385.145 tons. Around 350 tons

Thats only measuering that oval based cylinder from wrist to elbow and without increasing size towards the elbow. I lowballed the number 100tons if the density was x1, which equals 137tons, but 100 just sounds neater ;p. Also note that this is just the weight without the force needed for Dante to push it off him or the force needed to stop the punch. Also to add he had no strength items or any DT mode going on. This is base Dante.

Any questions? 😊 [/B]

I'll get at this a little more thoroughly in a bit. I'll have at your saviour numbers, as you've had at my Link numbers, and see if we can't put our heads together on this. Between us, our math could conquer KMC. 131

That said, your formula for base area was a little unclear. Some variables went un-named, is all. I'm not doubting your math, just asking you to elaborate on those.

That's my alternative method to getting the area of a hexagon. If anything was unclear tell me and i'll tell ya where i got it from.

Ill admit i didnt put full concentration in this (maths plus brawl doesnt make for good focusing) but when i saw then pillar in the game, vids and i think one of your pics, the pillar does not look anywhere near 10x Links height. From the one with him lifting it i got a max height rounded up to 35ft and width up to 11ft for a max weight of 985.48 tons. Meh, rather wait to see the texture.

Guess i can add conquering KMC to my resimay 😄

So Dante can stop the impact of Saviour, does this mean he can stop about 130 tons? surely the PSI of that impact would have to be divided by about, well....how many inches is Saviours fist in width or perhaps the calculation is how much of that fist is being stopped on Dantes hands, although I would imagine the PSI is being supported on Dantes whole weight/strength as it falls down on him?

Few questions.

Actually just the cylinder I labelled is 350 tons. The cylinder is only like 3/5 of the fore arm, and all without adding the weight of the fist, the upper arm and the weight of the involved in the punch. 137 is with a density of water :/ The impact size is measure by the force that connects the fist and Dante , this being Dante's hands.

So to begin to find out how much Pounds per inch of pressure Dante was under we need the hands/arms combined mass. Then judge the speed. maybe measure his desity as white marble or something.

Although I still imagine that the fact it fell "down" on him would mean that the whole of Dantes body took some of the force, not just the hands that he supported the weight on.

A rough distance/speed the fist travelled was 70m/s (85m/1.2secs). If the whole forearm is 600tons you can guess that the hand adds... 300tons, upperarm 900 and only take 200 from those horn sticking out of his wrist... add that up for an answer that's near the real weight. That's for the whole arm, not any other additional weight from the body.

He took the force through his hands to thats the contact area, even with the sword there all the pressure will go to his hands.

Originally posted by BloodRain
A rough distance/speed the fist travelled was 70m/s (85m/1.2secs). If the whole forearm is 600tons you can guess that the hand adds... 300tons, upperarm 900 and only take 200 from those horn sticking out of his wrist... add that up for an answer that's near the real weight. That's for the whole arm, not any other additional weight from the body.

He took the force through his hands to thats the contact area, even with the sword there all the pressure will go to his hands.

Kinetic energy: 2205000000

737 688 tonnes of PSI on one square foot...

5 122 on a square inch.

If I did it right ofc, now just divide that number by the area of Dantes sword face OR the combined area of Dantes hands and that should give you how many tonnes of pressure Dante was under.

This is still difficult to gauge because that calculation is based on an object moving in a straight line at a consistent speed. Saviours arm was sort of coming round. Its also difficult to say how much of the weight of the arm hit dante at such an angle, the weight of that many tonnes should have shattered the ground around Dante far more than it did and we all know DMC does not hold back on physical effects.

This is still difficult to gauge because that calculation is based on an object moving in a straight line at a consistent speed. Saviours arm was sort of coming round. Its also difficult to say how much of the weight of the arm hit dante at such an angle, the weight of that many tonnes should have shattered the ground around Dante far more than it did and we all know DMC does not hold back on physical effects.

Hm maybe, thing is it wouldnt make sense for the constructors to build his arms hollow, his arms and legs being a major form of attack. His face for example was not hollow, although when playing the game, I often wonder where is Nero all the time after he escapes Saviours chest? he seems to be inside saviour so perhaps parts of Saviours body are hollow unless he was taken to an alternate dimension or something (unlikely, the environments looked like Saviours outer shell only inside).

Well, because he's animate, it actually makes more sense for the arms to be hollow so that the top half is lighter, and better able to support the arms. /Normal builder logic.

Most large statues are hollow. That said, we are talking about DMC. A game where characters amuse themselves by defying the gravity.

J = (1/2 1814369.48)kg x (70^2)m/s
J = 907184.74 x 4900
J = 4445295226
Blah... 4kmil joules / 1.3558179483314004
2950248597/144 for lulz saying his palms are a square ft in area
28487837.5 pis from downgraded strength over a larger surface area
14244 tons..........meh, 10000 tons of psi...... meh again...

^ Only hollow part is the chest area. The small room Nero was in, the large game room and the 'heart' room, all in the chest. I have like BT said ideas to believe that there was a dimension thing going on but there's only a handful of evidence to support this so i wont go into it.
If the majority of this energy went into Dante then the ground wouldn't of been destroyed as much as just punching the ground.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That said, we are talking about DMC. A game where characters amuse themselves by defying the gravity.

Some guy
All the dmc questions can be answered as thus; demons dont believe in gravity.

😄

Ok my rough estimate on Tonnes affecting Dante based on his palms:

just assuming his palms are about 3 inches wide and 6 in length from bottom of palm to central finger tip = area of 11 inches squared taking into account rough estimates based on how a hand is not a flat seamless rectangular face.

22 inches squared for two hands so 5 122/ 22= 232 tonnes of force on him.

Btw where did you get your numbers from. Like 2205000000J?

I did this:

http://www.ehow.com/how_4517200_calculate-kinetic-energy-joules.html

Using the tonnage of Saviours arm for mass and velocity speaks for itself.

And it was 2205000, sorry, added too many zeroes.