Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is wrong. I've personally posted a cutscene in which Ganon gets his face slashed and blood sprays.
That's Ganon, when has Link ever been stabbed.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Claiming it needs to be a mature franchise to have durability feats is a fallacy.
It's not a fallacy when the target audience affects the level and general depiction of violence, especially the violence directed at the hero. What's the worst damage Link has been subjected to except getting tossed away by a giant boss or falling from a significant height?
It's not a fallacy when the target audience affects the level and general depiction of violence, especially the violence directed at the hero. What's the worst damage Link has been subjected to except getting tossed away by a giant boss or falling from a significant height?You mean aside from:
ect.. Hell, anytime he even swings his sowrd his hands are under an absolute minimum of 8494 tons of pressure per square inch. That's assuming his hands are massive to minimise the force.
Hold up if Ganons tougher then Link but can be killed by a sword... `~`The master sword in the hands of Link, who's pretty damn strong. 😛 Consider the PSI just applied to Link's hands through the handle of his sword, then imagien the cutting force it applies to Ganon when he swings.
Lemme go find the math.
But, as we agreed earlier, you don't need strength scaling to the same height as someone's durability to harm them if you have a sword to enhance the force behind your blows. =P
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
PSI is the result of pound-foot force on a single inch of surface area, and a pound foot of force is equal to 1.3558179483314004 joules.Link in OoT threw a granite block weighing 1388.994 tons at a speed of over 75 meters per second, with relative ease. For this exercise, I'll be rounding these numbers down to 1300 and 75.
To accellerate a block that heavy to that speed Link had to generate 3316894205 joules of energy. Ganon is stronger than even OoT Link with the gauntlets, and TP Link sword locked with Ganon. [AHAH, relevance!]
Now let's assume that TP Link is as strong as OoT Link. [He's actually stronger.], and Ganon for whatever reason, rather than resisting Link in the sword lock, remains static, thus it's only the reaction of Link's own action on the palms of his hands when he sword locks with Ganon in TP.
This is; 2446415618 foot-pounds of force, now divide by the area of his hands. let's assume for the pure lulz that the palms of his hands combine into a square foot of area. Divide by 144 for PSI and you get 16988997 from just his own down-rounded strength, spread over an impossibly large surface area, and this amount of force did no harm whatsoever to Link.
FYI, thats 8494 tons of PSI.
Edit: I laugh at the idea of a bullet hurting him. |:
To give you an idea here: I downgraded Link's strength an assload, and then ignored Ganon's strength all-together. The feat is still better than stopping a freakin' freight train. 😛
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link in OoT threw a granite block weighing 1388.994 tons at a speed of over 75 meters per second, with relative ease. For this exercise, I'll be rounding these numbers down to 1300 and 75.
I got a different volume then you did for that block. Actually several.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
To accellerate a block that heavy to that speed Link had to generate 3316894205 joules of energy. Ganon is stronger than even OoT Link with the gauntlets, and TP Link sword locked with Ganon. [AHAH, relevance!]Now let's assume that TP Link is as strong as OoT Link. [He's actually stronger.], and Ganon for whatever reason, rather than resisting Link in the sword lock, remains static, thus it's only the reaction of Link's own action on the palms of his hands when he sword locks with Ganon in TP.
If TP Link's strength is to used then you'd have to use strength without the gauntlets. Ganon remaining static means he only applied the same amount of force Link did, by saying this Links strength is different to OoT then the same can be said for OoT to TP Ganon. So the 'moving the block' feat is a better number then the pillar. (Also have stats for that too.)
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is; 2446415618 foot-pounds of force, now divide by the area of his hands. let's assume for the pure lulz that the palms of his hands combine into a square foot of area. Divide by 144 for PSI and you get 16988997 from just his own down-rounded strength, spread over an impossibly large surface area, and this amount of force did no harm whatsoever to Link.
For now lets stay by these figures. '16988997' being the build up PSI Link can take, and 400 the build up PSI an average human can take. Making Link able to take 42472.5x the average durability. A sharp blade needs 7.9 lbs to pierce a human, so Link stabbable with 168 tons. Now, the Saviours wrist to elbow (lowered for example purposes) is 100 tons without adding the increased size of the forearm to the end, the hand, the upper-arm or the body. By that, Link will take injury to Dantes swords.
If TP Link's strength is to used then you'd have to use strength without the gauntlets. Ganon remaining static means he only applied the same amount of force Link did, by saying this Links strength is different to OoT then the same can be said for OoT to TP Ganon. So the 'moving the block' feat is a better number then the pillar. (Also have stats for that too.)
TP Link is stronger than OoT Link, even with gauntlets, as he managed to win a sword lock against Ganondorf in canon.
I got a different volume then you did for that block. Actually several.There's a bit of variance, which is why I usually use "1000". 1300ish is the actual low-balling number my math came out to. It's also worth noting he threw the pillar at closer to 150 meters per second, but I'm a fan of lowballing.
From what I remember of the cutscenes, Saviour was also hollow. Can I see images showing him as not so hollow?
Also, I'd like to see any math you have to share.
But that would mean that OoTL<TPL but OoTG=TPG.How do you know one guy had his power dramatically increased and not the other way around? If they are incantations/whatever then they shouldn't be that different in strength, also in OoT where does he show strength above Golden Gauntlets Link?
First ones pointless as i have the second one but... meh i wanted it up. As you can see #1 shows the broken horn that is solid and #2 shows its head after Nero ripped its face off off, you can even still see the claw-like marks running down it. The only hollow part is the top half of the chest where there is; the small room Nero was is, a large room and the 'heart' room.
Depends what you'd like to see. Savior, the pillar or the block?
I apologise for the length ^^;;
Link:
170 = 1.83m
300 = 3.23m
354 = 3.81m*
3.23^3 = 33.70m3 = V
3.81^3 = 55.30m3 = v*
eg; granite
d = 2.6
33.70 x 2.6 = 87.62 metric tons = 96.58 tons
55.30 x 2.6 = 143.78 metric tons = 158.49 tons*
*-Angle is stretched, using the one at the base to match Link.
-Not the one being used but to get the max result.
Corrected the pixel count on the top line. That would make that block near 4.5m, obviously too large when you look at it. And i recall you using a lighter density, thought i may as well up it to granite.
Pic1 Is where i got the figures from. Pic2 is where i got the height from. Pic3 is for #3 below.
#1- Using the corrected figures from that image:
[Base of pillar]
75 = 6ft
135 = 10.8ft
A = L2 (3√3/2)
A = 10.8 x 10.8 [(3x1.73205)/2]
A = 16.64 x 2.6
A = 303.264
[Height of pillar]
98 = 6ft
268 = 16.408 (Half way up) x 2
= 32.816ft (Whole height)
1. H = 60
2. H = 32.816
[Pillar volume in cubic feet]
1. 18195.84 (Area/Base x Height)
2. 9704.445 (Area/Base x Height)
1. 18195.84 x 179 = 3257055.36 lbs
= 1628.528 tons
2. 9704.445 x 179 = 1737095.655 lbs
= 868.548 tons
#2- From the number at the of the pillar:
[Base of pillar]
75 = 6f
113 = 9.04ft
A = 81.721 x 2.6
A = 212.475
[Height of pillar]
1. H = 60
2. H = 32.816
[Pillar volume in cubic feet] = V
1. 12748.5
2. 6799.2
1. 12748.5 x 179 = 2281981.5 lbs
= 1140.99 tons
2. 6799.2 x 179 = 1217056.8 lbs
= 608.528 tons
#3- Figures taken without the pillar:
[Base of pillar]
111 = 6ft
154 = 8.324ft
A = 69.289 x 2.6
A = 180.151
1. H = 60
1. H = 32.816
[Pillar volume in cubic feet]
1. 10809.06
2. 5911.835
1. 10809.06 x 179 = 1934821.74 lbs
= 967.41 tons
2. 5911.835 x 179 = 1058218.465 lbs
= 529.109 tons
#3 is the most accurate, then #2 then #1.
All 2.'s are the more accurate answers based on height compared to 1.'s.
Just to average off the three results; 1. 1245.642 tons 2. 668.728 tons.
Dante:
The green cylinder is to roughly show the part being measured here.
Oval= Pi x 1/2A x 1/2B
(A came from pic2, B came from pic1)
Pi x 180 x 133 = 75171.6cm2 = Base
1660 = Height
v = 124784856cm3
D = 2.2 - 2.8 (limestone, marble or similar)
A x D = 274526682.2 - 349397596.8 g/cm3
= 302.614 - 385.145 tons. Around 350 tons
Thats only measuering that oval based cylinder from wrist to elbow and without increasing size towards the elbow. I lowballed the number 100tons if the density was x1, which equals 137tons, but 100 just sounds neater ;p. Also note that this is just the weight without the force needed for Dante to push it off him or the force needed to stop the punch. Also to add he had no strength items or any DT mode going on. This is base Dante.
Any questions? 😊