Sin hasn't been keeping track of the thread.
But yeah, high strength characters really will send each other and themselves flying in a real-world physics environment. Link's strength, as I've shown before, can accellerate someone the size of a man beyoind mach 22. Can you say "lunar uppercut"? 😛 It'd be lulzy as hell.
Also, the iron boots aren't made of iron. It's sort of a misnomer. And if they are, it's pretty freakin' magical iron.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteStill open to debate, and within reaction times. Link's got items that he can activate instantly that make him immune to it anyway, which brings this argument full circle. Link'll start firing off AoE spells, and they need to counter those.
Activate instantly in gameplay, or real life? for example the grandma soup, can you activate that instantly? if so then obviously this is gameplay because hes not going to drink down some soup "instantly"....its prob similiar with a lot of Links items, some bottles prob have corks on them if their potions that he has to open ad drink/smash on himself. Others may have other ways of activating them realistically speaking.
The opposing side can activate their time powers instantly too so they could probably outlast Links abilities assuming Dante and Bayonetta can keep up the time stop long enough. Bayonetta has no gaugable limit on her power but I guess for arguments sake and to escape No limit fallacy we can simply gauge it from its longest period of activation.
If the strength is vastly out of proportion with your mass/bodyweight then your screwed by your own attacks. And the things you strike will reflect some force back, even if you do destroy them...opposite/equel reaction. Its a rule of physics you cant argue it dudicus.
Thats WHY they use swords, because that much power would throw them around the place.
But he still has to put it on, unless we assume with it already on. Do you mind showing me the cape activation please? if you can find a vid.
Also is anyone an engineer? we can all calculate how much strength a character has by simply using a given weight that they lift, but how do we find the maximum that they can lift if the weight were gauging them by is lifted, moved, flipped etc with great ease. How do you work out how much they can lift with great difficulty? or the point where they would be complete and utter idiots to even attempt to lift something?
Originally posted by Burning thought
If the strength is vastly out of proportion with your mass/bodyweight then your screwed by your own attacks. And the things you strike will reflect some force back, even if you do destroy them...opposite/equel reaction. Its a rule of physics you cant argue it dudicus.Thats [b]WHY
they use swords, because that much power would throw them around the place. [/B]
No. And by your theory with their strength and a sword, anything they hit would knock the sword out o their hands 😬
Heheh i can imaging Link trying to drink the potion only to hear a gunshot and be left with a shattered bottle in his hands and a shocked expression. Dante goes 'lulz to you' only to be left with an invisible Link...
Edit: Well in Link and Dante's case, 1000tons is plenty ^^
Originally posted by BloodRain
No. And by your theory with their strength and a sword, anything they hit would knock the sword out o their hands 😬Heheh i can imaging Link trying to drink the potion only to hear a gunshot and be left with a shattered bottle in his hands and a shocked expression. Dante goes 'lulz to you' only to be left with an invisible Link...
Edit: Well in Link and Dante's case, 1000tons is plenty ^^
No because the surface area of a swords edge is tiny, a fraction of a inch and so the area its striking cannot exert hardly any energy in relation to what its being given. Certainly not enough to push the sword out of someones hand.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You'd take the joules generated in the throw/lift/whateverthey did with relative ease, and adjust the equation until you got some semblance of a minimum velocity for what a person can throw something, and still lift it over their head.Also, the cape is clothing, he can just wear it. =D
Take Raziel, he flips blocks calculated to be about 50 tonnes with ease, he can flip them up on top of eachother and still move them around without any problems. How could I calculate it (plez give equation) so that the blocks would have to weigh enough for Raziel to tug at the bottom of them to flip it and find out he has no chance of doing it.
So its power is not activated?
I dunno how exactly he turns it on, but he does so, and without the pause of him using a bottle or potion, it just turns on, and Link becomes invisible/intangible.
Alright, first we need to establish how far OR fast a human can throw something that they can also lift over their head.
Also, flipping something is ginerally easier then supporting it's entire weight off the ground.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I dunno how exactly he turns it on, but he does so, and without the pause of him using a bottle or potion, it just turns on, and Link becomes invisible/intangible.Alright, first we need to establish how far OR fast a human can throw something that they can also lift over their head.
Also, flipping something is ginerally easier then supporting it's entire weight off the ground.
Not sure, I dont know physics. It makes sense that taking the strain of the block on your body by lifting it up over your head is higher BUT in Raziels case, he is taking the whole weight of about 50 tonnes on the tips of his claws and throwing it over, technically hes prob not even using all his muscles that you would need to do to lift something over your head. Same with getting a block on top of another, he would have to support the whole weight of the block on his chest for a short moment as he pushes it to the top edge of the block hes trying to get it on.
Thing is, assuming my friend can lift 10 kilograms easily without any effort, he can do the same to twice that. He does not feel strain until he is doing at least 10 times that and has to stop at about 12 times. Raziel, Link, Dante may be able to lift a multiplied amount if their lifting it easily.
Well, for example:
If you can lift X amount over your head, how far can you throw X amount? If we can determine that, I can show you the formula for determining wieght given joules and velocity.
Alernatively, there's the max 1rm formula used by body builders, but we'd need to see the characters do reps for us to use that, and I can't remember Link doing reps.
Hm thats going to be hard. I am not sure how much he can lift over his head and throw. Not sure i could even test it. Raziel does not throw things, he easily pushes the blocks, he lifts them, taking their full weight on his chest but he does not throw them. A light quick push from Raziel with little velocity can send a block a few meters.
So far I have been using percentages to gauge extra strength, their very rough and based simply on what "sounds" right but I gauge that roughply an extra 20% more weight should not be too much problem, 20 extra tonnes. The final figuire would prob be far more but its something to work with.
I knew calculating it would be hard.
I guess, math 50 tonnes per block. Heres the vid:
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At 0:36 he sticks his sharp claws into the block and moves it around, fairly easily apart from its awkwardness although i cant say much for his technique.
At 1:09 he lifts it up from the bottom, takes the whole weight on his hands with his arms bent (ouch) and then just pushes it a heigh roughply the same as the blocks....he does the same again a few seconds later (obviously this is gameplay so I am not going to try and use it as a feat for Raziels stamina or anything)
At 2:36 you can see him push around the same blocks on top of eachother, roughly 100 tonnes. He doesnt do anything like flipping but moving it is hard enough. Considering he can do it with the same ease as moving one, he prob has almost double 100 tonnes of strength in his arms since he can move double 50 with no extra effort.
At 2:57 he gives a fairly light push to the topmost block, it goes off the edge of the one its on top of.
At 3:14 he does the old flipping technique to move it around.
At 4: 01 he tosses a block on top of another. Once again, all the weigh on his chest nad he uses a push to chuck it up on top of another.
Possibly, I am still not convinced Link is fast. Ok, its the move where you tap triangle and it fires quickly in one direction, instantly turning them to stone?
Whats the one where he fires a huge explosion of Gorgon energy out of the head? turning all around him to stone?
Whats strange though is if you hit them, they smash. Wait long enough and they can phyiscally break free, how can you smash them if their bodies are not completly stoned? how can Kratos or his enemies break out of being stoned if their whole flesh is encased? weird.