Originally posted by Burning thoughtWell going by feats Link as supersonic reactions based on SP calc. But Bayo and Dante where calced to move at hypersonic speed and teleport. Dante in Majin and Sparda from was calc'd to move faster. Kratos has Hypersonic reaction also can swing alot faster that War and Link.
Possibly, I am still not convinced Link is fast.
K, using some rough numbers:
This took about 0.7-0.8 of a second, by my admittedly fallible human ability to measure it. You gave a mass of 50 tons.
The block moved approx 1 meter. So, 1 meter in 0.7 seconds = 10 meters in 7 seconds. 10/7 = 1.42847 meters per second. so.. in our example he'd be unable to lift it over his head, but let's use the example where he threw a block up higher (1:09), and call it 2 meters. (hard to tell, the camera is behind Raziel.) This raises it to 2.85 meters per second. So, he'd be able to lift /about/ that much weight overhead.
Let's go ahead anyway:
If K = 1/2mv^2 then K = 184215.2012... joules. (lulz, 2012!)
Now, we know his joule output, K, so we can do...
m=2K/v^2
K = 184215.20126615
and v = 3 (what we decided a character coudl lift over their head.)
so m =:
40936.711392478 kilogram
90250.000000001 pound
40.936711392478 ton metric
45.125000000001 ton short
For Raziel to lift.
Now to find out his maximum. He can easily hold the weight of a whole block on his chest, what would he need to hold before he could not do that at all?
And what about pushing? for example when you swing a punch, your in a way pushing only with velocity and if your any good you would use your legs to propel yourself. Raziel pushes 100 tonnes with ease, just like how he pushed the 50 ton with ease, therefore he could prob push roughly 150-200 tonnes with difficulty? i dont know.
Originally posted by BloodRain
O.o wow i said it weighed 44.5 tons just yesterday.
yeh, we both mathed it to around 45-50 tonnes. I need to know the maximum weight he could push or flip however before he just could never do it. We already knew how strong he was based on ease, but how strong is he at peak?
Get that figuire and add 10% or so and you could prob get kains strength.
And what about pushing? for example when you swing a punch, your in a way pushing only with velocity and if your any good you would use your legs to propel yourself. Raziel pushes 100 tonnes with ease, just like how he pushed the 50 ton with ease, therefore he could prob push roughly 150-200 tonnes with difficulty? i dont know.For this we just reduce the v to the speed at which they push.
It would remain static for that single feat but were trying to find out how many joules of strength he can push until he cannot lift something, therefore he would be using more strength/joules to do it....
edit: when calculating Raziels strength to determine Kains, I have been using the base blocks weight. Now youve made me realise I can find out Raziels strength he is using on that block to get it to move by taking into account velocity. Huzzar
Nah, K is his strength, and it's always the same. It looked to me as thoguh he was using effort to move that block two meters. If he applies his strength to somethign heavier, it will move less, and his jouels will remain the same.
Sidenote: for Link
That block was moving fast x_x Anyone wanna help me guess how fast? 😛
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Nah, K is his strength, and it's always the same. It looked to me as thoguh he was using effort to move that block two meters. If he applies his strength to somethign heavier, it will move less, and his jouels will remain the same.
It cant be, according to you if I pushed a glass that weighs a few kg with ease, my overall jouls will be exactly the same if I put in more effort? But if he applies "more" strength to something heavier is my question, assuming that was easy for him. If he can timidly push with no velocity the blocks a few meters then running at the block and pushing with all hes got until his eyes pop out would send it flying and probably shattering.
The blocks speed is easier than trying to guess how fast Kain was moving, now that was a pain....although a lot of people helped to get an average. a second passed, so about 20/30 meters a second?
Cant really see where Link is in the second vid. Please post it?
So from Link holding it, to the bottom of the image where your red line is in the first pic?
gief the vid noob!
Edit: Ok I am not good at judging distance from this angle, probably about 40 meters-50 but your judging the velocity and energy based on straight lines, your not taking into the arc which could vastly change the outcome.
Doube edit: Link doesnt look as tall as Kain or Raziel, he looks like a short little bugger....you sure he could possibly be 6 feet tall? if so his boots are like those thigh boots women sometimes wear....
YouTube video
You already know the time.
I'll be honest and tell you I've already run numbers and debated this before. The best guess on the distance we could come up with is somewhere between 300 M and 175 M, and the block is in the air for a little over a second. About 1.5 top end. I've always used 75 m/s for the speed because I like to be conservative, but I'm feeling lulzy, so let's get a closer to actual number.
It looks a a little off in that screenie, lemme see if I can get another.
Not sure about 300 meters, seems a little over.....I think 60/70. Thats my thoughts, 300 meters would be longer imo. Also dont forget to calculate arc, Link is not throwing that at a consistent straight speed therefore his energy would be far lower. Also Blood calculated that block to be closer to 500 tonnes than 1k.
It loses energy because it slows as it reaches the zenith, then speeds up at the top giving an unequal amount of energy by the time it lands. Although this feat is difficult if you want to measure Links sword or punching strength. Speed is never consistent if its not in a straight line anyway...therefore your measurement in joules is flawed.
That's my alternative method to getting the area of a hexagon. If anything was unclear tell me and i'll tell ya where i got it from.I'll need to bug him for this.
It loses energy because it slows as it reaches the zenith, then speeds up at the top giving an unequal amount of energy by the time it lands. Although this feat is difficult if you want to measure Links sword or punching strength.Considering the accelleration of gravity would never surpass his original impulse, and that the horizontal movement is purely the result of his strength (gravity would actually hinder this, it pulls down, only.) you're only increasing Link's strength by adding in those details, which I leave out to be conservative. 😐
Speed is never consistent if its not in a straight line anyway...therefore your measurement in joules is flawed.Actually, I use the average over-all in-flight speed, which is infact lower than it's innitial speed as it's slowed by air resistance. The innitial speed would be much higher, guess what? Making Link stronger.
Sooo, calm down, and lemme do my math without inflating Link's strength.
You mean increasing the energy of the block? Links strength still remains at about 1k tonnes...... (assuming you were right and blood was wrong), still say finding the velocity of the block and adding it to links overall PSI is a cheap way of making him stronger when he could never gain such velocity himself.
I don't even understand what you're saying about adding the block's velocity to anyhting? All I keep from that equation is the joule output, same as I did for Raziel...
the K on the left side of the = is the character's strength, the m on the right is the object being acted upon, and v is the result.