War and Link vs Kratos, Bayonetta and Dante

Raziel is moving himself, if Link can launch the block 80 m/s Link himself could never reach that velocity himself so if he was fighting or punching something at close range the figuire would all be wrong. If he was throwing something then sure it would be correct but getting an overall sterngth for Link is flawed if your using the velocity he is giving an object when he can never equel that objects velocity.

Also K= MxV2 cut in half.... distance is important which Link cannot travel. Nor can he equel the speed he can make an object go. Hence why unless he is throwing something, this is irrelevent. Your better off just using the overall weight of the block.

Take the blocks weight, use the distance Link took it from the ground as your distance and the time he took to do it. This will give you the velocity you need to find out Links own strength.

Raziel flipping or throwing a block is no different than Link tossing the pillar. Link obviously can and did accellerate a mass to in excess of 75 m/s 😐 This required X amount of K. K is his strength, which will yield different v when acting upon different M. The only thing that remaisn the same is K.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Raziel flipping or throwing a block is no different than Link tossing the pillar. Link obviously can and did accellerate a mass to in excess of 75 m/s 😐 This required X amount of K. K is his strength, which will yield different v when acting upon different M. The only thing that remaisn the same is K.

It is different, Raziel is not moving it further than he can reach with his arms, he is not moving it at faster speeds than he himself can reach....Link is...

How can K remain the same if other variables change? Links slow, Link cant move at 75m/s so explain to me how the hell hes going to get a squared velocity of about 5k which will multiply his targets weight? he cant.....

Technically this is one of those things that nulls Links feat to a degree, the lifting is fine, but everything after is against all kinds of physics, the very shape and height of the block and the hold Link has on it would make it fall over and crush him anyway.....the distance he throws it? I mean jesus come on, he hardly moves to get it that far. I understand he can lift it because he has the magic of the gauntlets but after that figuire drops in (mass of rock+ d/t it took to take it off the ground) it starts getting ridiculous and breaks several levels of physics just like how Dante, Link, Kratos do not fling themselves when they hit objects.

Edit: I think we may have to take a major re-evaluation of the weight of this block becase its own weight should at that angle knock it over, this is not just a question of strength at that height and angle, its a question of grip.

How can K remain the same if other variables change?

"K=" means that m and v will work out to equal K. K is the force that remains static, which m and v adjust to balance out.

K acts on m, yielding v.

Technically this is one of those things that nulls Links feat to a degree, the lifting is fine, but everything after is against all kinds of physics, the very shape and height of the block and the hold Link has on it would make it fall over and crush him anyway.....the distance he throws it? I mean jesus come on, he hardly moves to get it that far. I understand he can lift it because he has the magic of the gauntlets but after that figuire drops in (mass of rock+ d/t it took to take it off the ground) it starts getting ridiculous and breaks several levels of physics.

Edit: Your nit-picking, and accidental increases of Link's strength will not hinder my fun haz'ings! I'm off to do the math anyway.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
This is the very nature of an equation.

"K=" means that m and v will work out to equal K. K is the force that remains static, which m and v adjust to balance out.

K acts on m, yielding v.

I'd love for you to go ahead and tell me which laws of physaics it breaks. 😗

Edit: Your nit-picking, and accidental increases of Link's strength will not hinder my fun haz'ings! I'm off to do the math anyway.

Your wrong, you know why? because K does equel M and V, thing is M and V can change to reflect K, K can change because M and V change, telling me K still equels M and V does not validate the fact your trying to say Link can move at 5k squared velocity....to gain the amount of force needed to send that thing moving.

Well first of all, whichever one governs how a heavy and extremely tall object can prop up on dinky little link when he has hardly any grip on the very bottom of it (hes not crushihg the mineral in an attempt to hold onto it) so it should flip over his shoulder and land on him OR over him....or it could fall the other way, him leaning backwards isnt going to do too much.

Second, assuming the ground Link standing on isnt made of super dense material Link should be buried if its really that heavy and he really is that strong enough to carry it. note hes not absorbing force, he is carrying it.

Third, he just does not move enough to move it anywhere, if he swung with his arms really quickly then forgetting the things height the feat would be half way believable.

So overall, this feat is either void OR the block is much lighter than it looks, light enough for its huge amount of height not to knock it over when balanced on Linky leaning backwards.

I suggest doing what I said to find links real strength, m/s of him lifting it for velocity, squared times the weight of the block (500 tonnes to blood, 1k to you).

Stopping your "fun" is a shame but you have to realise you cant complain about Dante not working with physics and then use physics to justify Link who also is ignoring physics AND STILL try and ignore the physics link is ignoring....(a lot of ignoring going on lol) If you want fun think of Link with the iron boots bouncing people off him again, thats funnier and is logically/physically possible.

Stopping your "fun" is a shame but you have to realise you cant complain about Dante not working with physics and then use physics to justify Link who also is ignoring physics AND STILL try and ignore the physics link is ignoring....(a lot of ignoring going on lol) If you want fun think of Link with the iron boots bouncing people off him again, thats funnier and is logically/physically possible.

Well first of all, whichever one governs how a heavy and extremely tall object can prop up on dinky little link when he has hardly any grip on the very bottom of it (hes not crushihg the mineral in an attempt to hold onto it) so it should flip over his shoulder and land on him OR over him....or it could fall the other way, him leaning backwards isnt going to do too much.

You'd be discreditting superman, spiderman, the hulk, dante, kratos, ect, with the idea that these characters lack the ability to brace themselves.

what's better is this doesn't actually break any laws of physics. There are plenty of ways it could work within physics.

As to Link sinking in the ground, Raziel shoudl have scraped the shit out of the floor by sliding blocks along it 😛

And he clearly does move enough to move it. It moves.

You're looking at a cutscene and telling it that it's wrong. I disagree.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I've never used Dante's lack of understanding of "gravity" to dispute any of his feats, just noted it as a curiosity, nice catch though.

Link could easily prevent this by using his shoulder as a fulcrum, assuming he coud anchor his feet. (And we discussed earlier in this thread how characters like Kratos, Link, Dante, and War /all/ have feats which require a high level of anchorage.)

You'd be discreditting superman, spiderman, the hulk, dante, kratos, ect, with the idea that these characters lack the ability to brace themselves.

what's better is this doesn't actually break any laws of physics. There are plenty of ways it could work within physics.

As to Link sinking in the ground, Raziel shoudl have scraped the shit out of the floor by sliding blocks along it 😛

And he clearly does move enough to move it. It moves.

You're looking at a cutscene and telling it that it's wrong. I disagree.

Youve argued that what he does goes against physics and you argued alongside me that the forces they exert would send them flying....thats pretty much agreeing with me that physics is being broken, the same is here with Link.

Oh come on, thats ridiculous, Link is tiny in comparison to the block, its not like hes holding up a big bulkey TV liek I was earlier in the week, hes holding up something thats what, 15 meters tall or something? and massively wide, this thing would topple, it wouldnt matter if link is pressing his little shoulder agiainst a tiny section down the bottom...

Their not under debate, Link is and their feats are irrelvent, comics are not physically viable either.

Argue it then, argue how Link, being 6 ft (imo he looks about 5ft 6 or something based on his clothing sizes but thats hard to gauge) is "balancing" and "gripping" a smooth, straight 8 faced object thats about 10 times his height or more, and about half that in width without it toppling either side or over him? his strength wouldnt help him in this.

The floor is also made out of a similiar material by the looks of it, furthermore Raziels weight is not even close to that of that block according to you.

No, he clearly doesnt, it moves because its lolfunzortochuckbigblokz

Ime looking at a impossible act of gravity defying and whats more your even mathing it wrong. If you want to find links strength over an area shorter than how far the blocks goes I suggest you divide his joules by the difference between the velocity he is fighting from in a VS and the veclotiy threw that block.

I am also using logic, your using math which is illogical in this sitauation....what Dante does, ok, what Kain/Raziel do easy, but tossing sometihng of that height (hell holding it up) is impossible even if you have the strength, Link is too small and thin in comaprison to the awkward block. Your also ignoring your own ficton, last I checked Link using the golden gauntlets does not exert phyics on Ganon equel to 1k tonnes or otherwise, or any other enemy in a cutscene....

Youve argued that what he does goes against physics and you argued alongside me that the forces they exert would send them flying....thats pretty much agreeing with me that physics is being broken, the same is here with Link.

Argue it then, argue how Link, being 6 ft (imo he looks about 5ft 6 or something based on his clothing sizes but thats hard to gauge) is "balancing" and "gripping" a smooth, straight 8 faced object thats about 10 times his height or more, and about half that in width without it toppling either side or over him? his strength wouldnt help him in this.

[qupte]Oh come on, thats ridiculous, Link is tiny in comparison to the block, its not like hes holding up a big bulkey TV liek I was earlier in the week, hes holding up something thats what, 15 meters tall or something? and massively wide, this thing would topple, it wouldnt matter if link is pressing his little shoulder agiainst a tiny section down the bottom...[/quote] It'd take insane strength, but Link has that. If he used his shoulder as a fulcrum, he could keep it from doing so.

No, he clearly doesnt, it moves because its lolfunzortochuckbigblokz

Ime looking at a impossible act of gravity defying and whats more your even mathing it wrong. If you want to find links strength over an area shorter than how far the blocks goes I suggest you divide his joules by the difference between the velocity he is fighting from in a VS and the veclotiy threw that block.

I am also using logic, your using math which is illogical in this sitauation....what Dante does, ok, what Kain/Raziel do easy, but tossing sometihng of that height (hell holding it up) is impossible even if you have the strength, Link is too small and thin in comaprison to the awkward block. Your also ignoring your own ficton, last I checked Link using the golden gauntlets does not exert phyics on Ganon equel to 1k tonnes or otherwise, or any other enemy in a cutscene....

Also, there's no law in physics that states something small cannot generate a large amount of joules. So, you're not arguing for physics, either.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
And Raziel. The force it took to move 50 tons at that speed would move him, too.

Actually his strength would. The closer to one side of a mass the fulcrum is, the more strength it takes to hold that end down, but Link has that.

[qupte]Oh come on, thats ridiculous, Link is tiny in comparison to the block, its not like hes holding up a big bulkey TV liek I was earlier in the week, hes holding up something thats what, 15 meters tall or something? and massively wide, this thing would topple, it wouldnt matter if link is pressing his little shoulder agiainst a tiny section down the bottom...

It'd take insane strength, but Link has that. If he used his shoulder as a fulcrum, he could keep it from doing so.

Here you are:
1. Telling a cutscene that it is wrong, and you are right.
2. Trying to argue with me about physics while having earlier admitted you don't know physics.

Argue with the cutscene some more, see if it cares. 😛

How so? hes hardly putting any force on the thing itself...hes pushing them, not punching them at any great speed.

I really dont belive you paste, it sounds to me like your just saying "he can" without actually measuring it yourself. Links shoulder regardless of his strength wouldnt hold it at all, its huge, it would fall the other way or to the left over links shoulder. besides since when were they called the "Golden shoulder pads", these are amping links strength, I cant see how his shoulder could take it?

I will certainly argue with your logic and physics usage, I am not argueing with the developers on what they think would be hilariously good fun for Link to defy such forces, fly down from dissolving moons on rainbows and for Gorons to bounce on lava in pain (ive done it myself when I used to be a toon but that blasted liquid out of roger rabbit got me 🙁 )

I know logic, I know enough physics to point out nonsense. If I dropped an apple and it flew up into the atmopshere I wouldnt shrug my shoulders and say "I dont know physics so I wont question it" lol...

Cutscenes paste have zero emotions, it cannot care, stop trying to distract me by giving emotions to inanimate objects! red herring you naughty boy....

I know logic, I know enough physics to point out nonsense. If I dropped an apple and it flew up into the atmopshere I wouldnt shrug my shoulders and say "I dont know physics so I wont question it" lol...

witness the power of a fulcrum!

[And also the centre of gravity. 😄]

But that ruler is a far far smaller object in comparison to the block. That hammers relation in its own mass in comarison to the ruler is not the same. Link is light and would have no mass, he would fall, he would slip, his strength means nothing without real leverage. As you can see with the hammer it has a key point on that ruler and its vastly heavier. Link is not heavy, he is just strong, not to mension the balance is all out.

Atm I am calculating how hard it was for him to just lift the block up, he struggled with it and did it quite slowly. If he can hardly get it off the ground then I cant see how you can say him flinging it makes physical sense...

Because he /did/ throw it. He grunts while he lifts it, but it obviously wasn't hard, because he proceeded to throw it like a ball. Also, you're missing the point. If Link uses his shoulder as a fulcrum he gains the leverage needed. The hammer is Link's strength.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Because he /did/ throw it. He grunts while he lifts it, but it obviously wasn't hard, because he proceeded to throw it like a ball. Also, you're missing the point. If Link uses his shoulder as a fulcrum he gains the leverage needed. The hammer is Link's strength.

But the hammer has its real weight, Link has no weight. You cant see to understand how Link having no weight himself means his strength only helps him lifti t off the ground, its still physically impossible for him to hold it the way he is without it falling, dropping, moving backwards. His shoulder (tiny and no mass) is not going to cover it.

It was easy but he grunted because what? he got a frog in his throat? he got some saliva stuck on his sexy little tonsols? the logic is way off from what your saying, your trying to measure this feat with physics and math when a guy who can barely lift the block (struggles) apprently tosses it....

IVE GOT IT!!! gravity is not the same as Earths in Ganons castle so the rock seems lighter than it looks, prob weighs a few tonnes which is heavy enough for link to grunt over but then! link tosses it, it reaches the top of the screen which just so happens to be fricitonless space! thats the only physical explanation.... [/sarcasm]

Ill give you links real strength in a mo....

I lol'd.

You're arguing in the face of laws you don't understand, and a cutscene which proves otherwise, that Link cannot throw a pillar. 😱

No, I am argueing against laws everyone can understand the basics off which is what I am doing here. Do you know whats really funny? ive "got" you punk....your like germany during the cold war and I am Kruschev, a fat bald russian fellow....the lollinkteam represents America...all I have to do is squeeze and it all topples down!

so heres how ime gonna squeeze: your falling apart because of the following:

-Your using physics to measure links strength

-When I point out obvious flaws (links weight, his anchor being tiny and the height and angle of the block) you squirm and start to tell me I dont understand physics.....(copout) I do not have any major skills in physics but as I said I know that if I see an apple flying up after being dropped, somethings wrong.....this is as wrong as an apple flying sideways, then up, then exploding randomly...

-Your use of physics has now turned more so to telling me how disagreeing with the cutscene makes me a fool. Yet your the guy telling me Link, his tiny little light body too weak to lift up this block at all with any ease somehow throws it and your saying thats physically logical. bah! I have defeated thou sir and I ask Bloodrain and anyone else to argue this against me if they belive me wrong, but this is impossible, if you want to tell me the cutscene is all the proof you need is fine but dont try and use math on it because its massively flawed..

and btw, due to my lack of confidence in your numbers, using the 600 ton figuire to weigh the pillar by provided by Bloodrain (you said his measurements were correct yes?)

And using your own math as I came to you for help, you even told me I am mathing things correctly.

I calculated the joules link struggled with to get the pillar off the ground.

Links joules of force required= 75000

Anyone wants to know how much pounds of force per square feet Link can exert with difficulty? 55317 thats 25 tonnes lol....

Pounds per inch? 384....if he hits a square inch of your body, he only exerts less than a quarter of a ton...

one shred of light is that he can still according to Bloodrains PSI figuires on sword edges pierce Dante, with 3613 tonnes on the very tip of his sword. Ofc this is with great difficulty so dont take too much salt in it being this high. Anyone want to discuss this with me go ahead but tbh, do you look at link and think he is really lifting 1k tonnes? or do you think my numbers are more belivable?

This block Paste HAS to be light for these figuires and your math to work......Game---Set---and match

Now i am going to go to bed and do naughty things to myself in the dark...

No offense intended but, uh, we all know what happened to the USSR, and to Kruschev.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
witness the power of a fulcrum!

[And also the centre of gravity. 😄]

I have to try this...

It works, Moo. I've personally set it up in an attempt to win a bet for free rent from my landlord. (didn't get free rent, but it worked.) 😄

No, I am argueing against laws everyone can understand the basics off which is what I am doing here. Do you know whats really funny? ive "got" you punk....your like germany during the cold war and I am Kruschev, a fat bald russian fellow....the lollinkteam represents America...all I have to do is squeeze and it all topples down!

so heres how ime gonna squeeze: your falling apart because of the following:

-Your using physics to measure links strength

-When I point out obvious flaws (links weight, his anchor being tiny and the height and angle of the block) you squirm and start to tell me I dont understand physics.....(copout) I do not have any major skills in physics but as I said I know that if I see an apple flying up after being dropped, somethings wrong.....this is as wrong as an apple flying sideways, then up, then exploding randomly...

Here's where I point out:
-You dfon't understand physics, and continually argue incorrectly that strength is represented by m rather than K. 😐
-The pillar's weight would be added to Link's anchor, and angle being slightly off be damned, this does not defy physics. Especially not in anyway that effects my math.
-Half of what I quoted above if you talking about apples misbehaving.

-Your use of physics has now turned more so to telling me how disagreeing with the cutscene makes me a fool. Yet your the guy telling me Link, his tiny little light body too weak to lift up this block at all with any ease somehow throws it and your saying thats physically logical.

-You're fallaciously associating size with strength. There's little correlation with energy output and volume in physics.
-Link's body obviously can, because it did.

I have defeated thou sir and I ask Bloodrain and anyone else to argue this against me if they belive me wrong, but this is impossible, if you want to tell me the cutscene is all the proof you need is fine but dont try and use math on it because its massively flawed..

and btw, due to my lack of confidence in your numbers, using the 600 ton figuire to weigh the pillar by provided by Bloodrain (you said his measurements were correct yes?)

And using your own math as I came to you for help, you even told me I am mathing things correctly.

I calculated the joules link struggled with to get the pillar off the ground.

This block Paste HAS to be light for these figuires and your math to work......Game---Set---and match

Now, seeing that you've admitted you lack understanding in this field, and that I've demonstrated my knowledge of it several times, and that I have a cutscene on my side, I don't think you get to claim that win.

Enjoy yourself, and remember to clean up.

Using Blood Rain's smallest number, just to keep you quiet for the time being:
529.109

K =1/2mv^2

m = 529.109
v = 100 (I got no help so decided to go with a nice round 100 meters per second, it is likely it was going faster.)

K = 2399998052.982

m = 2k/v^2

K = 2399998052.982
v = 3, our magic number

m =
533332900.66267 kilogram
1175797777.7778 pound
533332.90066267 ton metric
587898.8888889 ton short

for how much Link can lift over his head, with BloodRain's numbers.

Now how did Raziel get into this?