Originally posted by ScreamPasteI love it when people build themselves up before failing epicly.
Here's where I point out:
-You dfon't understand physics, and continually argue incorrectly that strength is represented by m rather than K. 😐
-The pillar's weight would be added to Link's anchor, and angle being slightly off be damned, this does not defy physics. Especially not in anyway that effects my math.
-Half of what I quoted above if you talking about apples misbehaving.-You're fallaciously associating size with strength. There's little correlation with energy output and volume in physics.
-Link's body obviously can, because it did.-You have done no such thing.
-The math is not flawed, your entire argument hinges on an awkward angle which could easily be accounted for by Link's body managing weight distribution.
-Your logic is flawed, because you refuse to absorb the nature of the math and the physics at work, and because you do not understand how these forces work. I've explained how these things work, but it's landing on deaf ears.
I did not say these were correct, I asked him for his formula, and congratulated him on some ingenuity.I gave you the formula, how you choose to use it is up to you, that does not make it my math.
-Link did not struggle, immediately after he lifted it, with a grunt, but not visible struggle, he tosses it.No, no it doesn't. Your lack of understanding has resulted in an error here. The block is made of dense material, it's larg,e it's heavy, and Link throws it.
-Gravity cannot create horizontal momentum
-Volume is not directly related to energy output
-Link output enough energy to toss the block.Now, seeing that you've admitted you lack understanding in this field, and that I've demonstrated my knowledge of it several times, and that I have a cutscene on my side, I don't think you get to claim that win.
Enjoy yourself, and remember to clean up.
Like you claiming Link is 1000 tonner in almost all his threads and doing various equations to give him even more strength based on what he throws.
-wrong, I never said that, M is still the weight he is hitting it with though. I just did an equation where his strength is only 75000 jouls so I obviously understand mass is not his strength....
-Thats because your math completly ignores the fact LoZ defies physics completly, your math is wrong, my figuire as shown is the only gaugable sensible figuire.
-size is very important with mass however, in this case the mass of that block is vastly more (hundreds if not thousands times more) than Links, his strength at his hands does not make up for his whole body getting splurged across the ground 😉
-sorry to burst your bubble but your doing it again your claiming Link can just because the scene showed it, your trying to sort of dodge the fact he is defying physics and making your math useless.
- oh aye I have, you cant argue out of this because you can either complain the cutscene shows it therefore I am wrong, hoping to dodge the fact your physics and math cannot support Link in this matter. You even completely ignore the fact Link has a hard time with 75k jouls just because its inconveniant 🙄
- words again, "weight distribution" has nothing to do with it, Links object in question has thousands times mass and at least 10-20 times his height, it will fall...
-Your explaining nothing, your simply stating. Theres a big difference.
- He grunts with tension as he lifts it up, you ignoring this is even worse than you ignoring the physics behind the block not toppling over due to how awkward it would be to hold, Link being only about 70 kg in weight max, you ignoring how he somehow threw it without hardly moving his hands....your ignoring a ton of physics and applyng math to the parts you "like" to give Link higher strength. This is wrong
No youve demonstrated your knowledge and your ability to ignore what you dont like. Like link strugging and gravity pulling that block down to crush links body or toppling him over. Nice try though, I think its funny how you use all these figuires in the hope nobody in opposition to Link will scratch out all your flaws which turn this feat null. You have the equations and the know "how" of how they work but you do not know how to use them it seems.....or take into account logic with the math.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Using Blood Rain's smallest number, just to keep you quiet for the time being:
529.109K =1/2mv^2
m = 529.109
v = 100 (I got no help so decided to go with a nice round 100 meters per second, it is likely it was going faster.)K = 2399998052.982
m = 2k/v^2
K = 2399998052.982
v = 3, our magic numberm =
533332900.66267 kilogram
1175797777.7778 pound
533332.90066267 ton metric
587898.8888889 ton shortfor how much Link can lift over his head, with BloodRain's numbers.
All this is correct if he is throwing something and completly ignoring physics to boot! 😆
Originally posted by DarkestSonata
No offense intended but, uh, we all know what happened to the USSR, and to Kruschev.
Well thats what makes sense with my analogy, my points and arguments are superior. I squeeze but in the end Screampaste just ignores my post and copies/pastes his old flawed argument as if I never said anything. So I dont really get anyway and he does this until the USSR collapses 🙁
After reading through this thread I am saddened by the numerous attempts to "Make" Link into some sort of Godlike being. He was never a god-like being in any of his games so why would a "composite" form created from a few dozen flawed elves create a god. A "composite Link" would walk into this battle looking like a magnetically charged prepubescent elf that stumbled through a garage sale of epic relics. He would have so many swords, items, charms, a dozen sets of gauntlets, several shields, and god only knows how many boomerangs, bottles, and other doodads dragging around behind him.
One of the most important elements that I have yet to see discussed in this battle is mindset. . . so allow me.
War, Kratos, Dante, and Bayonetta are all from action games that are heavily rooted in violence. They all enter the battle in search of blood immediately sizing up the opposition and gearing for a fight.
Link is from an adventure game, that's right not action, ADVENTURE! He would walk into this fight probably with a beaming smile ready to show off his puzzle solving skills just before recieving a bullet labotomy.
I'm not saying Link is weak or stupid or that I hate him I actually liked every Zelda game that I have played but that is not the point.
You have the following battle:
1. An elf adventurer with a wide range of assorted relics and weapons that put batman to shame
2. One of the four horseman bringing the awesome power of the apocalypse and a variety of powerful weapons
Versus
1. An ex-god/titan with an extraordinary array of legendary weapons and god powers
2. The half-demon son of one of the most powerful known demons, Sparta who has twice defeated Lucifer
3. A sexy, superpowered witch that is having a very Good hair day
Now I know the moment one of the link fanboys sees my post they will whine and complain, "he is so a god" they will say and most likely try to throw around alot of numbers in hopes of confusing everyone into thinking that he would be singlehanded capable of killing all three of the other opponents by himself. . .
The problem with that is that for all his questing and gathering of tools(having tons of blessings placed on him by others so that he doesn't get hurt adventuring with the other kids) link has never been in a fight against an opponent with the kind of power he will be faced with here (and I know your going to say "uh-huh *sob* he fought Ganon"😉 that was actually willing to use it.
A fight against Ganon is not the same as a fight against the three he will be faced with here as they are not villain to be slaughtered in the midst of a monologue, but battle hardened warriors with the means AND the mindset to kill him no questions asked
The arguments about Link's arsenal in the first 8 pages of this thread was well thought out but inherently flawed as it all relies on link being able to fumble around with a dozen or more masks/weapons/items in the time it would take the second team to destroy him. All but a few of his "abilities" are from items that require him to use them were everyone else has most if not all of there abilities self-contained within them.
Such as the arguement about having a specific mask to do this or that. . . are we to believe Link waltzed into this fight wearing a stack of masks or that the others such as Dante would give him time to equip them before making an attack (Dante is fast enough without devil trigger to shoot a bullet that has already been fired out of midair. That means once it had been fired he had time to both aim and fire accurately).
As a fan of Link (though you may undoubted doubt this) I see him going down very, very quickly if not immediately in this fight.
So we would be left with War against Dante, Kratos, and Bayonetta
Unless Bayonetta hits him to the sun or Dante's Yamato sends him into another dimension I see this becoming an endless war of attrition between War and Dante as they are not bound by the gameplay mechanic that limited the amount of time they could spent in their true forms (which only exist because the games would be quite obviously boring and pointless without it) and eventually Kratos and Bayonetta would eventually flee from or fall before the invincible Balrog-esque form of War. This would pose no problem for Dante as he is also invinicible in his true form (unless faced with Lucifer such as at the end of Devil May Cry I and II, but I suspect the same is true for War) though I seriously and I mean SERIOUSLY doubt that War would ever be able to touch Dante unless he let him (which would raise all sorts of wierd questions I don't want to know the answers to)
So that's how this fight goes down
Link dies first in a horrific way with a bottle of potion halfway to his lips
Then War eventually wears out Kratos and Bayonetta and slaughters them ending up in a never ending duel with Dante (That is assuming that Bayonetta doesn't sneak in a demesion shift/moon punch combo on his Balrog-like ***)
I will now open the floor to the torrent of hate I will undoubtedly recieve from the Link fanboy community
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Don't lie. You clearly did not read the thread.
iF he did read the whole thread he would find out that Link is being played up as extremely strong or powerful mostly based on flawed logic and math. Mainly logic because the very idea Link is a 1k tonner or at any major level of strength/durability when hes fought things like wildlife and small henchman during the game, the whole game is based around adventuring and puzzle solving as Odin has said.
Link is not on the same level of speed or strength as the other characters in this thread by default, even if we use math he is still not on that level.....
Originally posted by BloodRain
Hey when did Kratos show hypersonic speeds?Now... you two. What are you both trying to get at?
Me and scream?
Scream is trying to ignore all the physics and logic that would make his feat of tossing the stone useless. Observe:
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At 7:25 Link lifts the rock only about a meter above the ground and you can even hear him, he is grunting with the tension which means its a lot of effort for him. I calculated that him lifting that is equel to about 75k joulles.....
No way, shape or form does he have enough energy to toss it when he finds it hard just to do that...let alone 100 meters at that speed. Therefore my argument ,is that LoZ goes against physics and using math at least on the portion where he throws is redundant, the feat is invalid.
Another part of the argument is the fact the thing is extremely heavy and tlal and links holding it from a tiny section, no way could he somehow achor the weight enough to hold it up. Hell he is only about 60-100 kg max in weight himself, he would fall even if had the strength of 1k tonnes....the rock wouldnt stay that way either, he would need to be able to hold more of the base otherwise it would topple sideways assuming Links weight is ignored and it doesnt just crush him.
Its not even like ime saying Link is weak, I have made a perfectly legit calculation on Links real strength based on him lifting that stone up, that despite based on his weight being flawed is more logical within his fiction.....what scream is saying is illogical for link IN the fiction, as link has already shown difficulty with lifting it in the first place.
I think anyone who is not giving link a back rub agrees he is probably the least useful in this whole fight, even Kratos has a few useful powers.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I think anyone who is not giving link a back rub agrees he is probably the least useful in this whole fight, even Kratos has a few useful powers. [/B]
Thank you BT. The obvious seems to elude most anyone else on this thread. Apparently in the minds of some An elf with a few magical objects is capable of taking on gods and demons. I would say that is a gross oversight.
I think this would be a more interesting fight if it was War (using Link as an elf club) versus Kratos, Dante, and Bayonetta
Originally posted by Odin Wraith
Thank you BT. The obvious seems to elude most anyone else on this thread. Apparently in the minds of some An elf with a few magical objects is capable of taking on gods and demons. I would say that is a gross oversight.I think this would be a more interesting fight if it was War (using Link as an elf club) versus Kratos, Dante, and Bayonetta
Lol I would have to agree, assuming Link is allowed to wear his invulerability cape (if it exists and Paste was not pulling my leg) then he could prob create a high amount of damage as a club...
Although to be fair, some of links powers if he gets time to use them (get them out of their bottles, masks to put on etc) while war distracts the opponents he may get somewhere. But lets be frank here, Team 2 is massively one sided, War is fairly new character and I dont think he has the speed of Team 2, boh Dante and Bayonetta could break Links ribs in a split second....as you said, Dante can react to near bullet speed and percieve bullets in time to move out of the way of them, links never going to hit him...
The Magic Cape does indeed exist, but it makes Link intangible, not invincible. So not a very good club. Try the Magic Armor (WW), Magic Armor (TP), Nayru's Love, or Cane of Byrna. All of those make Link invulnerable and the Cane of Byrna can cause damage to anything that touches Link.
But, yeah, Link with prep time is like Batman. Considering, of course, that the Phantom Sword can stop Time (for 9 seconds) he can almost instantly prepare whatever he wants. Light Arrows, Silver Arrows, and the Master Sword are pretty great at annihilating just about any evil or whatever Link or his goddesses might consider evil. Plus his own divine blessing in the form of the Triforce of Courage.
Dante and Bayonetta can also stop time. Are you saying Link has another sword to stop time? nothing else....
If so then hes going to have to begin holding another sword, not the Mastersword if he can stop time at all? lulz....
His best defence against bullet timers with guns is a bow and arrow? gooduck to link lol...
Or his spells. Bombos, Ether, and Quake to explode, freeze, or transform anything nearby, Thunder to strike everything with lightning, Din's Fire to set everything on fire, Reflect to turn ranged attacks back onto their attackers, etc.
Assuming he's already used Chateau Romani for infinite magic, anyway. Of course, he could use one of the instant invulnerability items like the Magic Armor to become invincible and then drink it.
Originally posted by The Scenario
Ganondorf. Depending on how strong you think Ganondorf is, that's anywhere between crushing a castle or destroying an island.And how exactly would dante or Bayonetta steal Link's items when no one actually know where the things are stored? They just appear out of nowhere.
Not very strong, I would say hes prob got about 10 tonnes behind his arms but thats about it. Although I assume the armour has never been hit canonically? only in gameplay?
lol, gameplay. You can either assume Link is wearing them when he comes onto the battlefield OR he has some in a backpack, stored on a belt or w/e.... assuming hes wearing the cape, magic armour, golden gauntlets, fierce dieaty mask or w/e it is. They would swipe them from him.
I was going to post some links, but it seem newbies can't. Oh well. In Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf destroys his own castle by collapsing it on Link. In Twilight Princess, the Battle between Ganondorf and Midna causes Hyrule Castle to explode. In Wind Waker, Link discovers the remains of Greatfish Isle, ripped apart by Ganondorf.
So he's a bit stronger than ten tons, or at least his magic is. But you are right; Link's invulnerability is only seen in gameplay. But as long as they're active, I doubt anyone could steal his items.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Don't lie. You clearly did not read the thread.
Nah, he just a Zelda fan who doesn't exaggerate Link.
Link is simply an elf who has good human agility and fights well with a sword and shield (TP Link happens to be the best of the Links at this). OoT Link happens to have super strength via gauntlets.
TP Link has super strength without gauntlets (enough to pull Fyrus's legs and lift Daigoron) but to say he's stronger than OoT Link w/ Golden Gauntlets is absolute BS. For one, Ganondorf isn't even class 100 (who came up with this idea is beyond me). Ganondorf can break the floor? That was no doubt enhanced with magic especially after seeing the shockwaves. Ganondorf only had strength to match OoT Link when transformed into Ganon (notice the glow of the Triforce of Power before the transformation?). Ganondorf disintegrated a sage with one punch? They are frail and would die the same way if a Stalfos stabbed him/her. Ganondorf broke out of his chains? People in real-life can break out of handcuffs. Ganondorf has no strength feats outside of TP (which happen to be minor compared to Dante, Bayonetta, Kratos, and even War).
Young Link survived a moon explosion and the fall from the moon? Some things I gotta say about that:
1. It didn't explode. It disintegrated.
2. The fairies were with him. Are they powerful enough to survive cosmic explosions? Then, they should've been powerful enough to deal with much of the enemies in the game.
3. Link made no crater which means that he would have been sent to the ground via magic or flight.
4. Link got knocked off a horse by two fairies. Don't label that as PIS because Link is nowhere as durable as you fanboys claim to be.
OoT Link survives blows from Ganon? That's just using gameplay. For one, Ganon's swings are slow. Plus, he's left vulnerable to the Light Arrows. Link could've gotten through the fight without getting hit.
Link shot an arrow to the sun? That was obviously not literal.
Link can survive blasts to the face? You can block the Blast Mask's explosion with the shield. I'm guaranteed that most of the explosion goes away from the user so that he/she only gets burns.
OoT Link's defense increases via Great Fairy? That's still not gonna prevent him from getting his brains blown out, arms ripped off, suffocating in space, head flying off, etc.
Link can punch someone into space? Nice BS.
Link can survive a cannon launch to sky world? Toon Force. You think that old guy made his cannon travel service just for one person?
Young Link survived a magic zap from Ganondorf? Even I could survive that since it clearly was weak and not meant to kill.
Link can survive long falls? BS; he gets damaged in each game from falls, one way or another (and yes, even in LttP).
Link's sword lock with Ganondorf is impressive? Dante and Vergil had a sword lock so intense that it was heating up the swords.
Bullets won't hurt Link? More BS.
Link can walk on lava? Is that why he burns up and then reappears at the room's entrance (which is a gameplay mechanic).
Link can teleport people away with his ocarina? The only ones he ever teleported away was himself and objects connected with the Temple of Time.
I should rename KMC fanboy Link to BS Link.
I honestly never knew the joke Link I once made up for laughs would be what some Zelda fanboys thought Link actually was in the games.
Originally posted by The Scenario
I was going to post some links, but it seem newbies can't. Oh well. In Ocarina of Time, Ganondorf destroys his own castle by collapsing it on Link. In Twilight Princess, the Battle between Ganondorf and Midna causes Hyrule Castle to explode. In Wind Waker, Link discovers the remains of Greatfish Isle, ripped apart by Ganondorf.So he's a bit stronger than ten tons, or at least his magic is. But you are right; Link's invulnerability is only seen in gameplay. But as long as they're active, I doubt anyone could steal his items.
These are not physical feats though, not through punches or strikes anyway. Assuming its the same castle I am thinking of, the castle starts to quake in OoT and Link has to run for it. Midna blows up the castle but we dont actually see Ganondorf do anything physical, actually we see Ganon as a floating head that may not even be physical at all. Not sure about the Isle.
His magic probably is yeh, I was more talking about pure physical strength from his fists. "shrug" I cant see how them being activate will help, masks, gauntlets, easy to pull off and steal if your opponent is slowed/frozen in time. Tbh he would be too much slower than them even at normal time speeds to do much, hes going to have to use his own time slowing powers.
Originally posted by Sin_Volvagia
Nah, he just a Zelda fan who doesn't exaggerate Link.Link is simply an elf who has good human agility and fights well with a sword and shield (TP Link happens to be the best of the Links at this). OoT Link happens to have super strength via gauntlets.
TP Link has super strength without gauntlets (enough to pull Fyrus's legs and lift Daigoron) but to say he's stronger than OoT Link w/ Golden Gauntlets is absolute BS. For one, Ganondorf isn't even class 100 (who came up with this idea is beyond me). Ganondorf can break the floor? That was no doubt enhanced with magic especially after seeing the shockwaves. Ganondorf only had strength to match OoT Link when transformed into Ganon (notice the glow of the Triforce of Power before the transformation?). Ganondorf disintegrated a sage with one punch? They are frail and would die the same way if a Stalfos stabbed him/her. Ganondorf broke out of his chains? People in real-life can break out of handcuffs. Ganondorf has no strength feats outside of TP (which happen to be minor compared to Dante, Bayonetta, Kratos, and even War).
Young Link survived a moon explosion and the fall from the moon? Some things I gotta say about that:
1. It didn't explode. It disintegrated.
2. The fairies were with him. Are they powerful enough to survive cosmic explosions? Then, they should've been powerful enough to deal with much of the enemies in the game.
3. Link made no crater which means that he would have been sent to the ground via magic or flight.
4. Link got knocked off a horse by two fairies. Don't label that as PIS because Link is nowhere as durable as you fanboys claim to be.OoT Link survives blows from Ganon? That's just using gameplay. For one, Ganon's swings are slow. Plus, he's left vulnerable to the Light Arrows. Link could've gotten through the fight without getting hit.
Link shot an arrow to the sun? That was obviously not literal.
Link can survive blasts to the face? You can block the Blast Mask's explosion with the shield. I'm guaranteed that most of the explosion goes away from the user so that he/she only gets burns.
OoT Link's defense increases via Great Fairy? That's still not gonna prevent him from getting his brains blown out, arms ripped off, suffocating in space, head flying off, etc.
Link can punch someone into space? Nice BS.
Link can survive a cannon launch to sky world? Toon Force. You think that old guy made his cannon travel service just for one person?
Young Link survived a magic zap from Ganondorf? Even I could survive that since it clearly was weak and not meant to kill.
Link can survive long falls? BS; he gets damaged in each game from falls, one way or another (and yes, even in LttP).
Link's sword lock with Ganondorf is impressive? Dante and Vergil had a sword lock so intense that it was heating up the swords.
Bullets won't hurt Link? More BS.
Link can walk on lava? Is that why he burns up and then reappears at the room's entrance (which is a gameplay mechanic).
Link can teleport people away with his ocarina? The only ones he ever teleported away was himself and objects connected with the Temple of Time.
I should rename KMC fanboy Link to BS Link.
I honestly never knew the joke Link I once made up for laughs would be what some Zelda fanboys thought Link actually was in the games.
Good post, a lot of the arguments for Links durability are based around 1000 ton link, which is stupid anyway but I just killed Screampastes math. Link would be lucky to strike with more than a few tonnes with his fists....If his fist swiped at a target and the punch spread across their chest for about 7 inches, Link can only do about 300 pounds of force lol...
needless to say, bullets and swords will turn him into linkshi (sushi/link?) ...
Assuming youve played the games of LoZ (sounds like you have) and so had Odin Wraith then the whole "play a Zelda game" does not necesserily make you suddenly belive his fanfiction feats.