I go away a couple days, come back, and BT's trying to propagandise the thread! Well, I'm back, now return from whence you came! And stop trying to argue physics with the guy who does this crap for fun. (me.) When you were at one point convinced, as Moo pointed out, that planes defy physics.
Sin: Gtfo. You're posts are too long for me to address atm, but I FIRMLY DISAGREE, SIR.
BloodRain: Thank you for stepping in while I was away and doin' like BT said. (Disagreeing with him.)
Also, the arms thing? To assume it actually only gives strength to his arms is technicly a fallacy, because it's an expression. His legs clearly still support the weight which indicates that either;
-The rest of his body was already metahuman
or
-They effect all of him.
And now to check my PMs.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I go away a couple days, come back, and BT's trying to propagandise the thread! Well, I'm back, now return from whence you came! And stop trying to argue physics with the guy who does this crap for fun. (me.) When you were at one point convinced, as Moo pointed out, that planes defy physics.Sin: Gtfo. You're posts are too long for me to address atm, but I FIRMLY DISAGREE, SIR.
BloodRain: Thank you for stepping in while I was away and doin' like BT said. (Disagreeing with him.)
Also, the arms thing? To assume it actually only gives strength to his arms is technicly a fallacy, because it's an expression. His legs clearly still support the weight which indicates that either;
-The rest of his body was already metahuman
or
-They effect all of him.And now to check my PMs.
I play videogames for fun, does not mean I can play with the best and win. Point being, you can still be wrong and you are in this case, Links exerted kinetic force cannot reach the level needed to toss the block. Remember that according to you "K" stays the same? well 75k joules is nowhere near the required for your calculation on the throw.
Theres a lot of discussed arguments against Link being strong at all....this math proves he cannot throw the block within the realms of physics/math.
Sorry but the game itself says "power through his arms" quite clearly. Trying to claim its "obviously" in other places of his body because it would support your argument is completely and utterly wrong.
According to Bloodrain his legs do not support the weight apprently anyway....but thats besides the point, he can just about lift 75k, even your entourage Moocow agreed to that 😉
All strength tests aside what would Link really bring to this fight? BT and Scenario seem to be the only ones that realize if Link walk into this fight the best he could hope for would be to crawl back out of it missing only a few limbs.
I feel the need to reiterate the mindset aspect of this fight:
Link = Young, resourceful adventure
War = Killing machine without mercy
Kratos = Bloodthirsy battle-hardened warrior
Dante = Half-demon who enjoys violence for the sake of violence (as long as it's stylish)
Bayonetta - warrior-witch (if that really makes sense to anyone else)
To amend my earlier statement that Link would die first, I would like to state that Link would most likely only die first if the others saw him as a threat. To be honest whether they knew who he was or not between Link and War, I think that team two would IMMEDIATELY chalk War up as the real threat and launch an all out assault on him.
Link could survive this fight as long as he did nothing (assuming War would be able to take all three himself which I highly doubt), but that hardly seems like Link, so I'm sure he would try something. . . and end up dead.
The moment team two sees Link as a threat (such as casting a magic spell, throwing a bomb, aiming an arrow etc.) he would likely receive an unbelievably accurate reflex shot from Dante in the eye even as Dante carried on his battle with War.
This is far, FAR from an even fight. Not only is team one handicapped with one less person, but Link is easily the least useful in this fight.
Agreed, this thread was not made with fairness in mind. It was probably just made because the fan element on Link is strong in this forum and Darkest wanted to see if the fans can defeat sense/physics and logic. Fortunatley a few people who have actually some sense and have played LoZ are here so the answer is no.
Originally posted by Odin Wraith
All strength tests aside what would Link really bring to this fight? BT and Scenario seem to be the only ones that realize if Link walk into this fight the best he could hope for would be to crawl back out of it missing only a few limbs.I feel the need to reiterate the mindset aspect of this fight:
Link = Young, resourceful adventure
War = Killing machine without mercy
Kratos = Bloodthirsy battle-hardened warrior
Dante = Half-demon who enjoys violence for the sake of violence (as long as it's stylish)
Bayonetta - warrior-witch (if that really makes sense to anyone else)To amend my earlier statement that Link would die first, I would like to state that Link would most likely only die first if the others saw him as a threat. To be honest whether they knew who he was or not between Link and War, I think that team two would IMMEDIATELY chalk War up as the real threat and launch an all out assault on him.
Link could survive this fight as long as he did nothing (assuming War would be able to take all three himself which I highly doubt), but that hardly seems like Link, so I'm sure he would try something. . . and end up dead.
The moment team two sees Link as a threat (such as casting a magic spell, throwing a bomb, aiming an arrow etc.) he would likely receive an unbelievably accurate reflex shot from Dante in the eye even as Dante carried on his battle with War.
This is far, FAR from an even fight. Not only is team one handicapped with one less person, but Link is easily the least useful in this fight.
I'm sure glad you decided to post your well thought out assumption on what Link can or can't do after not reading the thread at all.
You don't speak for anyone but yourself, BT. It'd be a good idea to let everyone else actively voice their own opinions. 😛
It's pretty clear Odin Wrath has /not/ read the thread anyway. And your 75K joules is wrong, because he /did/ throw the pillar, and /this/ is where we measure his strength. Your flawed logic is little more than a propagandised attempt at what you've been trying to do for months with no success.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
You don't speak for anyone but yourself, BT. It'd be a good idea to let everyone else actively voice their own opinions. 😛It's pretty clear Odin Wrath has /not/ read the thread anyway. And your 75K joules is wrong, because he /did/ throw the pillar, and /this/ is where we measure his strength. Your flawed logic is little more than a propagandised attempt at what you've been trying to do for months with no success.
They have spoken for themselves, I have simply repeated it.
Its not wrong, what makes you say that? youve probably not even calculated it yourself. his strength is not high enough to have any chance of tossing it far at all and thats if he can throw it 😆
Your argument may as well be "I love linkz and he did throw pillar so hez strong", you may as well throw physics and math out of the way if your not going to use it. K stays the same according to you, K is not enough to throw the pillar hence anything concerning the pillar is against math and physics. But you cant argue this anymore.
Why is everyone hung up on Link? Suppose for a moment he HAS the strength of superman. That doesn't improve his durability, skill, or abilities to the level of the others, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
Every Zelda game (at least the dozen I've played) have begun with Link being an unskilled kid whose skill are honed fighting strange blob monsters that spit nuts and skeletons that fall apart if breathed on. All of the others begin their respective games as bad*** and only get better as their skills and abilities improve from fighting real enemies: gods, demons, giant building sized statues, etc.
Links victories can hardly (if ever) be chalked up to skill. If it weren't for the weapon convently placed in each dungeon (which the bosses just happen to be weak against) he would never be able to get anywhere. Ever notice how ALL of the others have numerous combos and a variety of attacks with their weapons? What does Link have? A slash, a spin attack, or at best a three hit slash combo depending on the game.
No way does an AMATEUR warrior stand a chance in a war with gods and demons.
his strength is not high enough to have any chance of tossing it far at all and thats if he can throw itHe can and does. See, I just won. The physics behind it work just fine, and you've done nothing to prove otherwise. GJ. You're ignoring a feat. It appears the moistness from your apple crumble has dried out. 🙁
Edit: I just had to point out that this kid actually makes me laugh:
Why is everyone hung up on Link? Suppose for a moment he HAS the strength of superman. That doesn't improve his durability, skill, or abilities to the level of the others, NOT EVEN CLOSE.Every Zelda game (at least the dozen I've played) have begun with Link being an unskilled kid whose skill are honed fighting strange blob monsters that spit nuts and skeletons that fall apart if breathed on. All of the others begin their respective games as bad*** and only get better as their skills and abilities improve from fighting real enemies: gods, demons, giant building sized statues, etc.
Links victories can hardly (if ever) be chalked up to skill. If it weren't for the weapon convently placed in each dungeon (which the bosses just happen to be weak against) he would never be able to get anywhere. Ever notice how ALL of the others have numerous combos and a variety of attacks with their weapons? What does Link have? A slash, a spin attack, or at best a three hit slash combo depending on the game.
No way does an AMATEUR warrior stand a chance in a war with gods and demons.
Cause you know, pegging an inch thick target with an arrow at a half mile takes not skill, stopping 200 ton masses in motion doesn't show durability, and fightiing a man who can destroy islands with most of his power pinned down by the master sword in ewvery game shows nothing about the threat level you can face and survive.
You horribly underestimate Link AND Ganondorf, boyo.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
He can and does. See, I just won. The physics behind it work just fine, and you've done nothing to prove otherwise. GJ. You're ignoring a feat. It appears the moistness from your apple crumble has dried out. 🙁
That consititutes as a well thought out argument to you? this does not surprise me to the least but I dont think anyone would be convinced by it. Your just trolling again, youve stopped argueing like you usually do when you are found wrong.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteCause you know, pegging an inch thick target with an arrow at a half mile takes not skill, stopping 200 ton masses in motion doesn't show durability.
lol 200 ton masses? let me guess Gorons? and he uses little boots of iron to do it? amrite?
Originally posted by Burning thought
I play videogames for fun, does not mean I can play with the best and win. Point being, you can still be wrong and you are in this case, Links exerted kinetic force cannot reach the level needed to toss the block. Remember that according to you "K" stays the same? well 75k joules is nowhere near the required for your calculation on the throw.Theres a lot of discussed arguments against Link being strong at all....this math proves he cannot throw the block within the realms of physics/math.
Sorry but the game itself says "power through his arms" quite clearly. Trying to claim its "obviously" in other places of his body because it would support your argument is completely and utterly wrong.
According to Bloodrain his legs do not support the weight apprently anyway....but thats besides the point, he can just about lift 75k, even your entourage Moocow agreed to that 😉
Did you just imply that you were the best on this forum at Mathematics and Physics? God damn it, I REALLY never wanted to get into the math portion of Link, but you're just going to make me do it, aren't you?
And don't pull this shit with clinging to words for a technicality. I bet if I searched through all of Kain's myshit I'd find multiple cases of the same thing.
Do not put words in my posts. I said no such thing.
Originally posted by Odin Wraith
All strength tests aside what would Link really bring to this fight? BT and Scenario seem to be the only ones that realize if Link walk into this fight the best he could hope for would be to crawl back out of it missing only a few limbs.I feel the need to reiterate the mindset aspect of this fight:
Link = Young, resourceful adventure
War = Killing machine without mercy
Kratos = Bloodthirsy battle-hardened warrior
Dante = Half-demon who enjoys violence for the sake of violence (as long as it's stylish)
Bayonetta - warrior-witch (if that really makes sense to anyone else)To amend my earlier statement that Link would die first, I would like to state that Link would most likely only die first if the others saw him as a threat. To be honest whether they knew who he was or not between Link and War, I think that team two would IMMEDIATELY chalk War up as the real threat and launch an all out assault on him.
Link could survive this fight as long as he did nothing (assuming War would be able to take all three himself which I highly doubt), but that hardly seems like Link, so I'm sure he would try something. . . and end up dead.
The moment team two sees Link as a threat (such as casting a magic spell, throwing a bomb, aiming an arrow etc.) he would likely receive an unbelievably accurate reflex shot from Dante in the eye even as Dante carried on his battle with War.
This is far, FAR from an even fight. Not only is team one handicapped with one less person, but Link is easily the least useful in this fight.
I'll eat my hat if you can prove to me that this nonsense has ANY impact on the thread whatsoever. Let's take a look at some of Gaming's other more ridiculous powerhouses.
Kirby: This little pink puffball has flown through space on a little star shaped flying object. He's walked on planets resembling the sun, with fire covering the entire surface. And even flown on his own in space. If I had played enough Kirby games his ridiculousness would just continue.
As much as I hate him, Luigi: Super Paper Mario gives him a Chaos Heart and the power to destroy everything.
Tomba: He single handedly defeated the army of magical Evil Pigs bent on World Domination, twice. Note that these pigs possessed Reality Warping powers and created their own dimensions after taking over an area. And the last one stopped time on the whole planet.
Ratchet and Clank: What is apparently incredibly similar to Commander Shepard in his arsenal of weapons, yet Ratchet is a Lombax and his hardest armor is named after a flower.
Had I played these games I'm certain they also would have been rather ridiculous: Conker, Abe from Oddworld, Wario, Viewtiful Joe, Sonic, and probably that guy from the game that Jack Black voiced for. Forget it's name.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Did you just imply that you were the best on this forum at Mathematics and Physics? God damn it, I REALLY never wanted to get into the math portion of Link, but you're just going to make me do it, aren't you?And don't pull this shit with clinging to words for a technicality. I bet if I searched through all of Kain's myshit I'd find multiple cases of the same thing.
Do not put words in my posts. I said no such thing.
No, I outlined my point of the analogy at the end of it quite clearly, a reading problem have we? hmm snookum? tiz those bowls of fat youve been eating....
Maybe, I bet if I actually played a Zelda game I would be able to claim with the same confidence as Sin, Scenario and Odin that Link is not half as impressive as the lollovelink gang say he is.
Yes you did, Ill quote it if you want?
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
@BT I have a cutscene *and* accurate physics on my side, you have an unfounded claim that Link is not strong enough to do what he does do, and misused physics to come to a flawed conclusion.Who trollin'?
I have the cutscene and the same calculations as you, I am calculating something different which invalidates your claims against physics.
You are, you cant argue and your simply trying to make an argument against me, not my argument itself.....
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
It's pretty clear Odin Wrath has /not/ read the thread anyway.
That is the second time someone has claimed I have not read the entire thread, which I have. It mostly contains BT telling you over and over again how wrong you are and your inability to see reason or come up with a valid way for Link to make a contribution to this fight.
The fight begins and team two rushes War. . . this looks bad for team one. But wait here comes Link with a. . .yes its a pillar. Link is holding a pillar ONE foot off the ground looks like its all over for team two.
Sin's been singing the same tune since hte Link v.s. Sephiroth thread forever ago, it's just what I expect to hear from him, and Odin is relying on titles as though they're feats.
Also, I love how anyone who supports Link is a member of the "lolIloveLinkclub" and anyone who doesn't has their arguemtns, often with less evidence, accepted by you so much more easily.
Originally posted by Burning thought
No, I outlined my point of the analogy at the end of it quite clearly, a reading problem have we?
Hmm. I believe you have a memory problem.
Originally posted by Burning thought
I play videogames for fun, does not mean I can play with the best and win.
All those bowls of fat, but I'm the one who knows what I'm talking about.
That is the second time someone has claimed I have not read the entire thread, which I have. It mostly contains BT telling you over and over again how wrong you are and your inability to see reason or come up with a valid way for Link to make a contribution to this fight.Here comes Link with time frozen, incredible strength, invisiblity, invulnerability, arrows that reach a minimum of mach 22, and have the power to freeze volcanoes, a sword which can over-power the triforce, and spells that can turn team 2 into blobs. GJ.The fight begins and team two rushes War. . . this looks bad for team one. But wait here comes Link with a. . .yes its a pillar. Link is holding a pillar ONE foot off the ground looks like its all over for team two.