War and Link vs Kratos, Bayonetta and Dante

Started by BloodRain60 pages

Dear lord back to the point. I looked into it, the pillar throwing feat is legit.

If you're arguing the physics of the Golden Guantlets, don't forget that if it's only his arms, his legs would be unable to support him, his spine would snap instantly, and he'd likely rip his arms out of his shoulders.

The guantlets are magic, so I'm not exactly seeing much of a problem. Since there is a cutscene showing that it's possible, arguing whether or not it's possible is a little odd. Occam's Razor dictates that whatever is wrong with physics should be attributed to the gauntlets. What's the better explanation? The gauntlets can't do what the've already done, or they do everything required to do what they've done?

The description mentions grabbing and lifting things, which I think handles the grip argument, but the gauntlets are only useful for lifting things. It's like they, I don't know, "activate" whenerver he tries to lift things. Any other time they don't do much of anything. He even continues to grunt in effort when you pick up the smaller rocks, indicating difficulty before the gauntlets activate.

That's my take, anyway.

Originally posted by Burning thought
And where do fish come from? Brtiain...and an American could just about catch a cold...let alone a British fish. Fries are not chips!

American pudding:

vs

Clearly, the British one is far superior. nah, if it was delicious it was probably made by a Brit and you never realised....

Fish come from the Ocean. >_> Brit fish don't even put up a fight. You might as well walk to a goldfish bowl and go "I got it!"

Fries are what we use for chips here. And I assure you, it is extremely delicious.

What? That's what you call pudding over there? That is not pudding.

This is pudding.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you're arguing the physics of the Golden Guantlets, don't forget that if it's only his arms, his legs would be unable to support him, his spine would snap instantly, and he'd likely rip his arms out of his shoulders.

The guantlets are magic, so I'm not exactly seeing much of a problem. Since there is a cutscene showing that it's possible, arguing whether or not it's possible is a little odd. Occam's Razor dictates that whatever is wrong with physics should be attributed to the gauntlets. What's the better explanation? The gauntlets can't do what the've already done, or they do everything required to do what they've done?

The description mentions grabbing and lifting things, which I think handles the grip argument, but the gauntlets are only useful for lifting things. It's like they, I don't know, "activate" whenerver he tries to lift things. Any other time they don't do much of anything. He even continues to grunt in effort when you pick up the smaller rocks, indicating difficulty before the gauntlets activate.

That's my take, anyway.

It makes his arms strong, the stronger they are the less the body is used. Think lifting a cardboard box. You can lift that without the use of your body, this is a similar case. The gauntlets make his arms able to lift the pillar, said now powerful arms taking all the strain that would go to the body to the arms...

Originally posted by Burning thought
what? lol.....thats a poor argument sorry...in the cutscene at 7:30+ you see him just about lifting that thing a meter off the ground. He even makes the sort of grunt you make when the tension and weight is extremely heavy.

I still have to disagree. If you had proof, say... Link gasping for breath afterwards, sitting down, wiping sweat, etc., then you would have an argument to base your idea on, but for now, your argument has about as much leverage as mine.

All that can be gathered for sure is this: Link can toss that pillar pretty far, and if he can toss it, then lifting it isn't a terrible endeavor for him.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It makes his arms strong, the stronger they are the less the body is used. Think lifting a cardboard box. You can lift that without the use of your body, this is a similar case. The gauntlets make his arms able to lift the pillar, said now powerful arms taking all the strain that would go to the body to the arms...

His legs are still holding all of it up, however. You can even see when Link grabs the pillar that he lifting it not with his arms, but his legs. He bends down, grabs it, and then stands up. Then throws it. I really believe the Golden Gauntlets increase the strength of his body in general rather than just his arms.

And Link always grunts. He grunts when he swing his sword. He grunts when he gets hit. He grunts when lifting any rock. Him grunting when lifting the pillar is not really an accurate measurement of effort by Link.

It may give strength in some degree to the rest of the body to help with lifting, but all we have to go on is the throwing and the small description.

Originally posted by The Scenario
If you're arguing the physics of the Golden Guantlets, don't forget that if it's only his arms, his legs would be unable to support him, his spine would snap instantly, and he'd likely rip his arms out of his shoulders.

The guantlets are magic, so I'm not exactly seeing much of a problem. Since there is a cutscene showing that it's possible, arguing whether or not it's possible is a little odd. Occam's Razor dictates that whatever is wrong with physics should be attributed to the gauntlets. What's the better explanation? The gauntlets can't do what the've already done, or they do everything required to do what they've done?

The description mentions grabbing and lifting things, which I think handles the grip argument, but the gauntlets are only useful for lifting things. It's like they, I don't know, "activate" whenerver he tries to lift things. Any other time they don't do much of anything. He even continues to grunt in effort when you pick up the smaller rocks, indicating difficulty before the gauntlets activate.

That's my take, anyway.

Exactly my point......I am just being nice by giving Link the actual "lift" as a feat otherwise we wont be able to gauge the exact strength of him at least by this feat, by calculating at least the lift we know he can lift "that much" and exert "that force" with difficulty.

No you see we know the specifics, the argument is that calculating math for it to give him increased strength based on joules is just a pathetic attempt at overpowering the character, the physics are broken and infalliable in several ways from balance, grip, height of the block and most of all the fact he can only just about lift it, the feat that follows invalidates using math. I am not saying he does not do it, but I am saying using math to give him higher strength is pointless, it would be like tryign to calculate how bugs bunny can survive stupid forces of weight without being harmed or can semm to appear anywhere he wants at any time just to escape harm.

So he has difficulty with small rocks as well? meh......and someone said throiwng it 100 meters in a second still makes it legit...what a joke.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Dear lord back to the point. I looked into it, the pillar throwing feat is legit.

based on?

Originally posted by BloodRain
It makes his arms strong, the stronger they are the less the body is used. Think lifting a cardboard box. You can lift that without the use of your body, this is a similar case. The gauntlets make his arms able to lift the pillar, said now powerful arms taking all the strain that would go to the body to the arms...

Can you show a calculation or real life example based on a heavy object please? you know, an object that has higher lifting strength well in excess of its mass (Links lifting strength is thousands of times his mass). I still dont buy his body being completly turned to mush, and I still cant see your logic on how he could throw it 100 meters in a second when he can only just about lift it with difficulty?

Also your argument would "kinda" work (assuming you can find above evidence) IF he did only take it on his hands, but no, he leans back before he throws....resting it on his shoulder/chest.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
I still have to disagree. If you had proof, say... Link gasping for breath afterwards, sitting down, wiping sweat, etc., then you would have an argument to base your idea on, but for now, your argument has about as much leverage as mine.

All that can be gathered for sure is this: Link can toss that pillar pretty far, and if he can toss it, then lifting it isn't a terrible endeavor for him.

But I have Link gasping for breath as he picks up the rock, you have the "assumption" that Link is somehow showing how easy the rock is because of a popular portrayle of movement, rubbing your hands together could mean many things such as "well here it goes" or he could just be warming them up and getting them ready. Regardless of what you think that means, it still does not negate the fact he strained as he lifted the thing up.

Lifting is hard for him, 1 meter off the ground too....pathetic really and quite slowly he did it, not quick with confidence and ease. Which makes the feat that he shows after against physics and his own in-fiction strength. Ofc if you want to complain "well its a fiction and it did happen" then dont use math or claim "1000" ton link because its impossible, its more credible to claim graviy somehow disapeared as he threw it if you want to play the whole "its fiction" tune.

Originally posted by BloodRain
It may give strength in some degree to the rest of the body to help with lifting, but all we have to go on is the throwing and the small description.

Thats not whats stated, thats "assumed" to help your argument hmm? because from the description I can only see "strength" through his arms.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice

This is pudding.

no its not silly, thats a bowl of fat and artificial flavourings.

No, you uncultured swine. That is a bowl of chocolate pudding, and it is delicious.

uncultured? I do media and apprently over the last decade or so Britain have been the greatest influence on culture in countries (america especially) out of all of them. Although i will not go and find the percentage/figuire that was given so dont ask.

Also it would be "uncultured bulldog", Americans would be more alike to swine, the British bulldog however is iconic to us, or the lion.

It suxor! I would rather eat a mudcake.

That doesn't mean you have culture.

And very well, I shall grant you your wish. A mudcake you will have.

Well our culture has taken a strong root in so many countries. America itself is arguably a off-shoot of our culture on a base level my little colonist you.

MMMMMMMMM YUMMMYYY!!

Oh please, where do you brits get the ego. I am of Irish decent that is way better than any brit colonist. America's culture is that of the entire world.

AHAH! THE JOKE IS ON YOU, THAT IS PUDDING!

Excuse me colonist but you dont want your British master to take away your trade rights do ya?

NO ITZ NOT COZ I WASNT EATIN YOUR PUDDING I WAS EATIN MY OWN!!! hahahahahamuuaahah!

You wish I was your colonist. Fact is, you tried to do that shit and we made you our *****.

You were not. I have here undeniable photographic evidence that you were eating American pudding. AND YOU LOVED IT.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
You wish I was your colonist. Fact is, you tried to do that shit and we made you our *****.

You were not. I have here undeniable photographic evidence that you were eating American pudding. AND YOU LOVED IT.

nevvvooorrrr, but we like you to think we are.....its all part of the master plan!

Meh Photographic, I have a whole video full of evidence that I was eating my own pudding.

Brits do not have the ability to plan ahead for longer than five minutes.

I didn't want to bring this up, but I have pornographic evidence that I ****ed your mother!

Thats 4 minutes and 59 seconds better than Americans!

I suppose for the eight years we didn't really have the ability to plan at all. Unless the Conspiracy Theorists are correct.

Edit: But dammit, we're still awesome!

[Edit: Easier to answer in pm]