War and Link vs Kratos, Bayonetta and Dante

Started by ScreamPaste60 pages

Well first their vastly faster, all of what you say in your post is based on a large variety of artifacts along with their gameplay mechanics, for instance the four swords I assume are the weapons he uses to multiply himself by 4?
Not outside his reaction time, Link has all of those in this thread, and I don't see him using gameplay mechanics. The foursword creates four identical copies of Link. I'm not sure whether it copies equipment as well, but it's not important.
1. Link has enough stuff here to pass around, and they all know the spells.
2. Link's plentry capable of handling himself without all those invulnerability granting items, especially four of him.
3. All Links are as powerful as the original.

Really, this alone is enough to seal the thread for him. Dante, Kratos, or Bayonetta getting close to four Links is going to result in them getting their ass handed to them. If all three go for Link, they're ignoring War, who turns a 4 on 3 into a 5 on 3, which team 2 would also lose.

Moving on:

1. While Dante and Bayonetta activate time stop
2. Useless as all of Bayonettas enemies are invisible and instangible. Dante has fought spirits himself with a variety of spells.
3. Not really useful if it gets shot in his hand as he reaches for it, considering he is slowed in time.
4. This does not happen because chances are, before he even activates the magic cape Dante and Bayonetta slice him to piecies.
5. Assuming it does happen, they fight similiar powers and more consistently in their own games, it will likely be too slow to stop them anyway and they both have their own kind of teleport.

1. K, time's stopped, and Link's in an impenetrable bubble. Time is frozen, it's not wearing off. Good game, sir.
2. I'd like to see proof that all of Bayonetta's enemies are invisible and intangible, and I'd also like to point out it's not useless because it toally rapes the other two members of her team.
3. Through that impenetrable bubble?
4. Link's durable enough to take quite a beating, especially as in this match up he's wearing the red mail, has the silver hearts, and has his own stock durability underneath that. And you forget the insta-cast magic armour/shield/reflect spells, that he's already wearing the magic cape, ect. Given how impressive his stock durability is, this definitely precludes them "slicing him up".
5. They can't run forever, Link's got infinite magic, and is going to slow, and stop time. Once time is stopped, which he could admittedly do first thing in the match, they're all screwed.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Not outside his reaction time

1. Link's in an impenetrable bubble.

I dont know why you replied to a post replying to Scenario.....

But I decided to answer some points.

1. yes it is, Link has not reacted to anything as quick as either of them, they regularly move out of the way or intercept bullets after they have left the chamber.

2. no limit fallacy, it would seem from the lack of evidence Links invulerability items have no canon feats.

Meh, time stops, Dante goes Dreadnought. Problem solved.

Dnate does not even have to do that. Dante pulls out his pistols and sprays Links face with bullets, taking out his eyes, his mouth etc regardless of Links featless protection.

Lol.

[i]Originally posted by The Scenario]
2. While invincible

If he's that powerful, then why go invincible?

I dont know why you replied to a post replying to Scenario.....

Show me the rule that says I can't? If you don't want other people to read it, you should send a pm.

1. yes it is, Link has not reacted to anything as quick as either of them, they regularly move out of the way or intercept bullets after they have left the chamber.

Someone's ignoring a certain section of Majora's mask.

Link regularly deals with people who move outside a normal person's reaction time. See TP: Ganon gets the triforce or power, within moments moves across the room before any of the sages can react, and disintegrates one with a punch. Link can react to him just fine, and in fact, in both TP and WW, lands a reflex based finisher on him.

Given that the tip of a whip does move faster than Dante's been shown to actively move (not react.) I see no issue.

Did I mention that the Link allowed in this thread can outrun arrows in flight, as well as cut them out of the air? I've not seen a speed feat for Bayonetta yet, Dante's admittedly quick, but Link can follow him, and one he has magic armour up, it's over.

2. no limit fallacy, it would seem from the lack of evidence Links invulerability items have no canon feats
It's not a no-limit fallacy. If Ganon can't get through, no one on team 2 can.

also, someone's ignoring the earlier part of the thread where we proved bullets aren't gonna work on anyone in this thread.

If he's that powerful, then why go invincible?
To stop people from nitpicking and trying to argue against durability. It's simpler to just go with overkill to prevent drawing things out.

@ScreamPaste: 'Kay. Lol.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Show me the rule that says I can't? If you don't want other people to read it, you should send a pm.

Someone's ignoring a certain section of Majora's mask.

Link regularly deals with people who move outside a normal person's reaction time. See TP: Ganon gets the triforce or power, within moments moves across the room before any of the sages can react, and disintegrates one with a punch. Link can react to him just fine, and in fact, in both TP and WW, lands a reflex based finisher on him.

Given that the tip of a whip does move faster than Dante's been shown to actively move (not react.) I see no issue.

Did I mention that the Link allowed in this thread can outrun arrows in flight, as well as cut them out of the air? I've not seen a speed feat for Bayonetta yet, Dante's admittedly quick, but Link can follow him, and one he has magic armour up, it's over.

It's not a no-limit fallacy. If Ganon can't get through, no one on team 2 can.

also, someone's ignoring the earlier part of the thread where we proved bullets aren't gonna work on anyone in this thread.

To stop people from nitpicking and trying to argue against durability. It's simpler to just go with overkill to prevent drawing things out.

Not really, I think someone is adding feats where they dont actually exist. Show me Ganon attempting an attack at the same speed against Link?

lol oh you are still blabbering about a non existent whip feat? lulz....

Now your overhyping Ganon again "sigh", that and inventing your own feats are another couple of good reasons why I want to debate with Scenario and not you.

You proved nothing, your data has been found to be flawed, spamming "I amz rights!" over and over does not help your case.

The tip of a whip moves faster than Dante? Lmao.

Not really, I think someone is adding feats where they dont actually exist. Show me Ganon attempting an attack at the same speed against Link?
Yes, ofcourse, Ganon only moves at super-human speed when his life is /not/ in danger. How silly of me.. Heywaitasecond!

lol oh you are still blabbering about a non existent whip feat? lulz....
Calling it non-existant won't make it so.

Now your overhyping Ganon again "sigh", that and inventing your own feats are another couple of good reasons why I want to debate with Scenario and not you.
You mean the Ganon that's physicly stronger than Link with golden gauntlets? Who, coincidentally, is stronger than anyone on team 2?

Also, me responding to you does not preclude Scenario also responding.

You proved nothing, your data has been found to be flawed, spamming "I amz rights!" over and over does not help your case.

you've never actually shown any proof, made any actual logical argument against, or otherwise invalidated my "data" as you like to call it. Also, I've never spammed, or even typed "I amz rights!". So, yeah... I'm not even sure what fallacy that is. Oh right: it's a lie.

The tip of a whip moves faster than Dante? Lmao.
Yessir, it does. Dante definitely reacts very fast, but I've never seen him move faster than the tip of a whip. He moves at super-human speed, but he'd have to be doin' laps with a certain blue hedgehog to outpace a whip, especially a massive magicly enhanced prehensile super whip. Or a pair of them attacking several times a second, even.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Yes, ofcourse, Ganon only moves at super-human speed when his life is /not/ in danger. How silly of me.. Heywaitasecond!

Calling it non-existant won't make it so.

You mean the Ganon that's physicly stronger than Link with golden gauntlets? Who, coincidentally, is stronger than anyone on team 2?

Also, me responding to you does not preclude Scenario also responding.

you've never actually shown any proof, made any actual logical argument against, or otherwise invalidated my "data" as you like to call it. Also, I've never spammed, or even typed "I amz rights!". So, yeah... I'm not even sure what fallacy that is. Oh right: it's a lie.

So theres no actual feat? thot so...

No the fact it does not exist makes it so....stup trolling plz?!

nah hes stronger than Link in general but Link is not stronger than Team 2.

Another couple of reasons why theres no point in debating with you, you cant debate and you ignore evidence even when its your own.

But anyway Ill not respond to your posts until you learn to behave in a civalised soceity of non Link luverz mister!

He moved fast to the point where he heated up (outran a bullet, whick breaks the sound barrier).

@ScreamPaste: You do realize that if time is frozen (and that Link is in that bubble, lol), it gives Dante enough time to seal him in another dimension, right?

nah hes stronger than Link in general but Link is not stronger than Team 2.

That WAS you in this thread when strength feats were being compared, yes? Link's strength feat outstripped the feats of anyone on team 2 by a substantial margin.

And stop claiming he never threw the pillar, he did, as evidenced in that cutscene you keep trying to ignore 90% of.

Another couple of reasons why theres no point in debating with you, you cant debate and you ignore evidence even when its your own.

But anyway Ill not respond to your posts until you learn to behave in a civalised soceity of non Link luverz mister!

Irony here! You're the person on this forum who ignores more evidence than anyone else, and are known for it.

Also, ignoring me until I side with you isn't going to win you a debate. Though, it'll be nice.

He moved fast to the point where he heated up (outran a bullet, whick breaks the sound barrier).

The tip of a whip moves faster than a bullet. Especially the tip of one of Majora's whips.

@ScreamPaste: You do realize that if time is frozen (and that Link is in that bubble, lol), it gives Dante enough time to seal him in another dimension, right?
How will he if Link's:
1. Protected by said bubble
2. holding that certain special item that stops Ganon from doing just that?

Show me this whip('s speed).

What does that have to do with being sealed somewhere else? I think it puts holes thru dimensions or sumthing. And no a whip doesn't.

Originally posted by iChaos
Show me this whip('s speed).

What does that have to do with being sealed somewhere else? I think it puts holes thru dimensions or sumthing.

My understanding is Yamato needs to wound the target to do this, or atleast strike them? If it needs to hit them, then he's in a bubble, and he can't be hit.

He also carries the master sword which keeps Ganon from doing such silly crap to Link. (Ganon has a lot of ridiculous powers that would let him instant-win v.s. Link without it.)

As for the pair of whips: YouTube video

Ridiculous whips are ridiculous.

Edit: And yes a whip does... A whip crack is literally a sonic boom. The larger the whip, the faster the tip, the attacking portion, moves when it's cracked, yailding a more damaging strike. Majora has two whips, each capable of striking multiple times in a second.

Scrubs got wa'er templ'd, yo!

Out strip team two's strength? lol. Kratos without GoZ can still out class Link and the Same for Bayo.

Whips don't make for a good feat, especially not in that video. While the tip of a whip may move pretty fast, such feats are useless. In order to crack a whip you have to be able to bring your arm back, and then snap it out. When Link seen the arm go back and reacted from there. This is also quite useless since it isn't a feat at all but just gameplay.

Dante however, in his weakest form, fought Vergil, who was said to strike so fast that the human eye couldn't see it. While he lost that fight, He still managed to hold his own against the better swordsman. He also managed to shatter the incorporeal form of Despair with a shot from his gun.

As far as Bayonetta being able to see the invisible, she can see the angels and demons, who are stated to be invisible.

And maybe the pillar COULD be an impressive feat, but to say that it weighs 2,000,000 lbs, just to give Link some strength feat, is ridiculous.

Originally posted by The Scenario
I don'r really see how anyone on the opposing tem could even touch Link. There's four of him, for one, and they're all intangible, invisible, and wielding really powerful magic. How could the others dodge his area of effect attacks?

Really. Battle starts:

1. Link brings up Magic Armor at the speed of thought.
2. While invincible, he uses the Magic Cape to become invisible and intangible. Dispels Magic Armor.
3. Drinks Chateau Romani for infinite magic.
4. Goes Nova with spells. Thunder to strike everyone with instant lightning. Ether to freeze everything. Bombos to set everything on fire. Spell or Quake to turn things into goo.

There is nothing anyone can do about this.

1. You're using gameplay. There's no proof that he puts on equipment instantly.

2. Link can still get knocked around with the armor on. And getting hit uses up rupees and with three (or two since one of them can deal with War) ganging up on him, Link's armor will be useless. If Link even manages to put the cape on, Bayonetta will still be a threat since she regularly deals with foes that are invisible and intangible to humans.

3. And Bayonetta can just shoot the bottle or stop time and drink it herself.

4. Thunder isn't going to kill Dante nor Bayonetta (who can dodge lightning bolts and can slow time after doing so). Quake only does its effects on ground enemies and only changes the weak ones into onions. Dante and Bayonetta should be able to thaw themselves from being frozen. Bombos is an only threat but it gives them enough time for either of them to react (especially if time is slowed down). Spell may be the worst threat but Bayonetta has dealt with changing forms (when Jubileus changed her into a little girl).