How much stronger is Superboy Prime than Superman

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, it was a depowered poisoned man (lots of K-nite exposure effecting mainstream Supes, where it had no effect on Prime or e-2) versus a depowered kid.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
quanchi112: Just found some interesting quotes from a certain poster on some of your purported points.

[b]1) On the comparison between SMP and Black Adam's rampages, you state, "I suggest you reread it because Black Adam didn't throw off Superman like Prime did so making a claim that his showings are equal to Prime's is laughable to say the least." And here we have a certain poster's response: 2) On another point, you state that, "The planet moving feat which Prime did like he was holding a basketball while superman was busy moving a car with help." And here we have a certain poster's response, who basically stated that you can easily move a planet but not necessarily destroy a planet, i.e., it's much harder to destroy a planet. Of course, the same poster than admits (like I do) that Superman can destroy a planet: 3) And on this, "Do you feel Superman can beat Prime in a one on one fight?" And here we have a certain poster's response: 4) Then of course, the whole ripping Monarch's armor feat. You essentially have been cornered into arguing that Guardian-amped Prime did not weaken or even affect Monarch's armor, so ripping it is all SMP at normal unamped levels. You even go so far as to say at the tope of this page, "We've seen Monarch get pouned on prior to and his armor was never damaged." And here, we have a certain poster's reponse: [/B]

Two variables you refuse to acknowledge. The moment Prime was fully powered he easily tossed them aside. So I am right on both accounts here and am correct in saying Prime is a bigger deal than Adam while also saying Adam did more damage. Adam took more damage though and Prime did face stiffer competition while not at full power.

Looks like I am right yet again.

2.Ok, here I do acknowledge it is harder to destroy a planet as opposed to moving it but it holds no ground here because they both moved a planet so we have a feat which pertains to them both. We've also never seen how many punches it would take to my knowledge of Ka-el destroying a planet so bringng this up when we already have a direct comparison is another hilarious attempt of yours to completely put the stuff we have discussed under the carpet.

Like, I've always said Prime did it with ease while Superman needed help which suggests even if he can do it he cannot do it with the same ease and speed as prime. Common sense 101. "Hey Diana, help me open this jar of peanut butter."

3.I think I brought this in in comparison to Thanos beating down the Surfer. I was saying it is speculation, but then again most of what we do is based off of speculation. Most stated Odin could waste Thanos despite the opposite being shown on panel. I for one think Prime would indeed beat Superman but it would take some time just like it did against Yat. It's still speculation either way but with the showings I am more than comfortable in saying Prime wins all ten.

Yes, the armor was slightly breached in arena but it seems he would have repaired all damage to the suit especially since his plans consisted of taking on all Monitors don't you think? I mean if his armor was weakened don't you think he would have repaired it prior to this? I think it's fairly obvious and throughout the whole fight the armor wasn't damaged until Prime's back was up against the wall and he ripped it open.

Hal Jordan did affect him powerwise and it's not the greatest feat of all time, but to me it's something beyond an all out Superman so it holds true to my argument once again.

Here, I thought you actually had something worth mentioning and it's still me trashing your argument.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Now is anybody curious as to why current-quanchi112 had such diametrically opposed opinions before as to past-quanchi112? Do you guys really want to know? Better yet... do you want to know, quanchi112?

Isn't the answer obvious? Nearly all those quoted posts involved a Thanos vs Superman Prime thread. And in all those quoted posts, you were arguing that SMP loses to Thanos by downplaying everything that SMP did.

Funny how things work out to bite you in the butt later... peaches

Originally posted by iceman24567
LOL at Quans bull being called out again

Originally posted by Omega Vision
I've been meaning to pull up Quan's many double standards for a while but I've never had the energy to do it or the will to sift through such horrible debates. Kudos to ODG for fighting the good fight.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, Adam was doing much better because he was powered up while Prime was depowered.

1. Two variables you refuse to acknowledge. The moment Prime was fully powered he easily tossed them aside. So I am right on both accounts here and am correct in saying Prime is a bigger deal than Adam while also saying Adam did more damage. Adam took more damage though and Prime did face stiffer competition while not at full power.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Everyone in ww 3 wanted to put Black Adam down while In the Sinestro Corps it was two gigantic armies going at it. So as I see it WW 3 Black Adam looked more impressive as they were all focusing on him while Prime started cheapshotting character after character. There was lots of confusion and it took place so quickly

Originally posted by quanchi112
Looks like I am right yet again.

2.Ok, here I do acknowledge it is harder to destroy a planet as opposed to moving it but it holds no ground here because they both moved a planet so we have a feat which pertains to them both. We've also never seen how many punches it would take to my knowledge of Ka-el destroying a planet so bringng this up when we already have a direct comparison is another hilarious attempt of yours to completely put the stuff we have discussed under the carpet.

Like, I've always said Prime did it with ease while Superman needed help which suggests even if he can do it he cannot do it with the same ease and speed as prime. Common sense 101. "Hey Diana, help me open this jar of peanut butter."

You measured the difference in difficulty between moving and destroying a planet as if it were like a person moving a rock and destroying a rock. I can easily move a rock and toss it around effortlessly but still can't destroy it with my fists (not even close). By your quanchilogic, I suppose if I did destroy it with my fists, I could then super easily move the rock even more effortlessly. Hence, since you admit Superman can destroy a planet with his fists, you must believe he can super easily move a planet effortlessly. How's it taste? Do you like the taste of your own quanchilogic?

Common sense 101. "Hey Diana, help me move this planet as we can't do it without using your Lasso of Truth to mitigate any damage, but y'know what, just lend us your Lasso and go away, this is man's work." Yes. That makes sense. Once again, receiving help =/= needing help.

Originally posted by quanchi112
3.I think I brought this in in comparison to Thanos beating down the Surfer. I was saying it is speculation, but then again most of what we do is based off of speculation. Most stated Odin could waste Thanos despite the opposite being shown on panel. I for one think Prime would indeed beat Superman but it would take some time just like it did against Yat. It's still speculation either way but with the showings I am more than comfortable in saying Prime wins all ten.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, the armor was slightly breached in arena but it seems he would have repaired all damage to the suit especially since his plans consisted of taking on all Monitors don't you think? I mean if his armor was weakened don't you think he would have repaired it prior to this? I think it's fairly obvious and throughout the whole fight the armor wasn't damaged until Prime's back was up against the wall and he ripped it open.

Hal Jordan did affect him powerwise and it's not the greatest feat of all time, but to me it's something beyond an all out Superman so it holds true to my argument once again.

Let's face it, it holds true to your argument now because Thanos isn't involved here. You mentioned that alternate GL ruptured his suit. Bloodlusted Superman, having the benefit of fighting Monarch with a Guardian-amp for an entire issue and bringing Monarch down a notch, could tear his armor also.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Here, I thought you actually had something worth mentioning and it's still me trashing your argument.

I still hold the same opinions as I did then. I really see no reason for you to think I changed my opinion. People also change their minds as different showings lead them to and for me to quote someone who changed their mind with a quote they made years ago and post it is kinda pointless Read up on my argument and you'd see it hasn't changed. No double standards here.

Only a retarded monkey could think that your past opinions are anything else but diametrically opposed to your opinions now. Some throw-away comment about people changing their minds doesn't blunt the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that you ever changed your mind and pretend that your past statements are perfectly reconciliable with your current statements.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Poor quaneuver. Because you contradict yourself. You pretend to acknowledge both variables, but on the first variable you utterly ignore that while Prime tossed aside heroes when he was revived... Black Adam was tossing away heroes even at the end where "Adam took more damage!" On the second variable, you try to act like Prime faced stiffer competition, but you literally noted in the past: No. You're pretty much wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And it's not even me you're arguing with, it's yourself.

You measured the difference in difficulty between moving and destroying a planet as if it were like a person moving a rock and destroying a rock. I can easily move a rock and toss it around effortlessly but still can't destroy it with my fists (not even close). By your quanchilogic, I suppose if I did destroy it with my fists, I could then super easily move the rock even more effortlessly. Hence, since you admit Superman can destroy a planet with his fists, you must believe he can super easily move a planet effortlessly. How's it taste? Do you like the taste of your own quanchilogic?

Common sense 101. "Hey Diana, help me move this planet as we can't do it without using your Lasso of Truth to mitigate any damage, but y'know what, just lend us your Lasso and go away, this is man's work." Yes. That makes sense. Once again, receiving help =/= needing help.Your past statement of "i am not saying that Superman defeats prime but until Prime beats him decisively all you are doing is speculating" now becomes: "with the showings I am more than compfotable in saying that Prime wins all ten." That is just too funny. 😂 And that is also just, no. 😐So you admit that Monarch's armor was breach, and thus can be breached. Kinda makes you wrong when you said, "We've seen Monarch get pouned on prior to and his armor was never damaged." Concession accepted. And nobody is saying he didn't repair his armor after that alternate GL ruptured it. We're just saying that his armor can be, and was likely, weakened by the fight with a Guardian-amped SMP. Making it easier for an ampless SMP to tear it. I think it's fairly obvious and throughout the whole thread that you flip-flop until your back is up against the wall and you rip apart your credibility.

Let's face it, it holds true to your argument now because Thanos isn't involved here. You mentioned that alternate GL ruptured his suit. Bloodlusted Superman, having the benefit of fighting Monarch with a Guardian-amp for an entire issue and bringing Monarch down a notch, could tear his armor also. Here, I thought you actually had some sense of dignity and it's still you trashing your credibility.

Only a retarded monkey could think that your past opinions are anything else but diametrically opposed to your opinions now. Some throw-away comment about people changing their minds doesn't blunt the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that you ever changed your mind and pretend that your past statements are perfectly reconciliable with your current statements.

😆 After this post One-dumb is my hero

As for match up.

Let say Superman can dial it up to 11 then Supberman -prime can dial it up to 16

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Poor quaneuver. Because you contradict yourself. You pretend to acknowledge both variables, but on the first variable you utterly ignore that while Prime tossed aside heroes when he was revived... Black Adam was tossing away heroes even at the end where "Adam took more damage!" On the second variable, you try to act like Prime faced stiffer competition, but you literally noted in the past: No. You're pretty much wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong. And it's not even me you're arguing with, it's yourself.

You measured the difference in difficulty between moving and destroying a planet as if it were like a person moving a rock and destroying a rock. I can easily move a rock and toss it around effortlessly but still can't destroy it with my fists (not even close). By your quanchilogic, I suppose if I did destroy it with my fists, I could then super easily move the rock even more effortlessly. Hence, since you admit Superman can destroy a planet with his fists, you must believe he can super easily move a planet effortlessly. How's it taste? Do you like the taste of your own quanchilogic?

Common sense 101. "Hey Diana, help me move this planet as we can't do it without using your Lasso of Truth to mitigate any damage, but y'know what, just lend us your Lasso and go away, this is man's work." Yes. That makes sense. Once again, receiving help =/= needing help.Your past statement of "i am not saying that Superman defeats prime but until Prime beats him decisively all you are doing is speculating" now becomes: "with the showings I am more than compfotable in saying that Prime wins all ten." That is just too funny. 😂 And that is also just, no. 😐So you admit that Monarch's armor was breach, and thus can be breached. Kinda makes you wrong when you said, "We've seen Monarch get pouned on prior to and his armor was never damaged." Concession accepted. And nobody is saying he didn't repair his armor after that alternate GL ruptured it. We're just saying that his armor can be, and was likely, weakened by the fight with a Guardian-amped SMP. Making it easier for an ampless SMP to tear it. I think it's fairly obvious and throughout the whole thread that you flip-flop until your back is up against the wall and you rip apart your credibility.

Let's face it, it holds true to your argument now because Thanos isn't involved here. You mentioned that alternate GL ruptured his suit. Bloodlusted Superman, having the benefit of fighting Monarch with a Guardian-amp for an entire issue and bringing Monarch down a notch, could tear his armor also. Here, I thought you actually had some sense of dignity and it's still you trashing your credibility.

Only a retarded monkey could think that your past opinions are anything else but diametrically opposed to your opinions now. Some throw-away comment about people changing their minds doesn't blunt the fact that you refuse to acknowledge that you ever changed your mind and pretend that your past statements are perfectly reconciliable with your current statements.

I have explained my reasoning and I am arguing with you. This new thing of yours is quite cute where you lock yourself into a circular debate and restate yourself over and over again but I have thoroughly decimated every older post and explained myself.

I already told you Superman needed aid whereas Prime didn't so to suggest he can easily do so is a slap in the face of logic and reasoning onedodge. Keep dodging my reasoning and keep restating yourself.

Asking for help doesn't = easily doing it on your own.

How is it funny? I stated we can't give Prime as easy a win over Superman as Thanos over the Surfer but still a win. You're really desperate at this point.

I never said it was unbreachable. I stated ripping it open is an awesome strength feat accredited to Prime. You speculate Superman can do it while we have seen three k-nians fail completely to even damage Monarch. When I speculate it's with evidence while you just close your eyes and imagine it happening. That's the difference between the two of us, onedodge.

At no point in the fight was the art of there any mention of the suit being weakened it's just another idea you made up and are supporting. You do this all the time when pushed and your credibility has been gone for a long time.

A retarded monkey would have the courage to answer some of these questions so I guess it makes you the cowardly monkey.

My opinion hasn't changed so don't pretend it does quoting me while I just got finished with post raping you with logic and reason.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, but like I pointed out numerous times Prime easily tossed them aside while Black adam didn't. In the end Prime wasn't anything more than inconvenienced while Adam's face was burnt and he was defeated. Again, Prime was depowered while adam was powered up.

I have explained my reasoning and I am arguing with you. This new thing of yours is quite cute where you lock yourself into a circular debate and restate yourself over and over again but I have thoroughly decimated every older post and explained myself.

You have indeed thoroughly decimated your older posts with your flip-flopping new posts, good sir. You have, indeed.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already told you Superman needed aid whereas Prime didn't so to suggest he can easily do so is a slap in the face of logic and reasoning onedodge. Keep dodging my reasoning and keep restating yourself.

Asking for help doesn't = easily doing it on your own.

How is it funny? I stated we can't give Prime as easy a win over Superman as Thanos over the Surfer but still a win. You're really desperate at this point.

Receiving help =/= can't do it on your own easily.

It's funny because in one hand, you recognize that Superman has always risen against the odds and any thought of him losing is speculation until it's on-panel... and with your other hand conclude that Superman loses 10/10. 😂

Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said it was unbreachable. I stated ripping it open is an awesome strength feat accredited to Prime. You speculate Superman can do it while we have seen three k-nians fail completely to even damage Monarch. When I speculate it's with evidence while you just close your eyes and imagine it happening. That's the difference between the two of us, onedodge.

At no point in the fight was the art of there any mention of the suit being weakened it's just another idea you made up and are supporting. You do this all the time when pushed and your credibility has been gone for a long time.

A retarded monkey would have the courage to answer some of these questions so I guess it makes you the cowardly monkey.

My opinion hasn't changed so don't pretend it does quoting me while I just got finished with post raping you with logic and reason.

I already answered the questions you posed to me. Sorry if they weren't the answers you wanted. But I don't ignore that (i) SMP fought Monarch for an entire issue using his guardian-amp, and that (ii) Monarch completely let his guard down and that (iii) Monarch's armor has been ruptured before by an alternate GL. Superman can do it with the circumstances given to SMP with bloodlust.

If by "post raping," you mean assaulting and affronting all common sense and logic with your quanchilogic and quaneuvers, then you are indeed a post rapist. Go get em you lil rapist, you.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Black Adam did easily toss them aside. At pretty much every turn, all the way to the end. They couldn't even restrain Black Adam in the end, they literally had to bring the lightning to him. Reread World War III. In the end Prime was healed while Adam wasn't. Slight difference, slick.

You have indeed thoroughly decimated your older posts with your flip-flopping new posts, good sir. You have, indeed. It'd slap your logic and reasoning of the past, since Superman destroyinga planet with his fists = easily moving it.

Receiving help =/= can't do it on your own easily.

It's funny because in one hand, you recognize that Superman has always risen against the odds and any thought of him losing is speculation until it's on-panel... and with your other hand conclude that Superman loses 10/10. 😂 Yeah, you actually said Monarch's armor "was never damaged." Poor attempt at a quaneuver. Your past-self already proved your present-self wrong on that one. Those three alternate kryptonians didn't have the benefit of a guardian-amp issue-long fight either. When you speculate it's with evidence (unless of course, you're arguing for Thanos in one thread, than against Superman in another), in which case you completely reverse yourself. That's the difference between the two of us, you adorable lil quanchisticle, you.

I already answered the questions you posed to me. Sorry if they weren't the answers you wanted. But I don't ignore that [b](i) SMP fought Monarch for an entire issue using his guardian-amp, and that (ii) Monarch completely let his guard down and that (iii) Monarch's armor has been ruptured before by an alternate GL. Superman can do it with the circumstances given to SMP with bloodlust.

If by "post raping," you mean assaulting and affronting all common sense and logic with your quanchilogic and quaneuvers, then you are indeed a post rapist. Go get em you lil rapist, you. [/B]

Again, it's neither here nor there as we have both characters attempting the same feat. One did it without aid and quite easily while the other asked for help and didn't move it even close to as quickly as Prime moved it. Feel the burn.

Yes, because I won't equate Superman going down as easily as the Surfer fell before Thanos without him actually doing it but I have seen enough for me to conclude he still wins just not as easily. I cited the Ion fight as my justification.

I said in the fight against Prime it wasn't previously damaged. Pay attention here buddy. Nothing suggests his armor was weakened prior to the feat it's just another thing you made up in your head. Don't listen to the funny voices onedodge they only laugh at you in the end.

No you didn't. Onedodge you did anything but answer my questions. You do the whole I will restate myself over and over again thing which has become your only tactic when dealing with my superior debating prowess.

Keep dodging, brah. You know it, I know it, bada knows it, and all the voices in your head know it. I won.

^That sounds very, very immature Quan, even for your standards (like an angry kid). At least you changed your mind (your older posts) and give Guardian amped Superman Prime the win over Thanos.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^That sounds very, very immature Quan, even for your standards (like an angry kid). At least you changed your mind (your older posts) and give Guardian amped Superman Prime the win over Thanos.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, Thanos beats guardian amped Prime.

lulz

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
lulz

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am dead serious.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Doesn't stop you from being unintentionally hilarious. 😉

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't have to reread it they restrained him as they depowered him. His face was practically ripped off by a less group while he was more powerful than he is at normal levels. I suggest you reread everything you've ever read and then get back to me.

Again, it's neither here nor there as we have both characters attempting the same feat. One did it without aid and quite easily while the other asked for help and didn't move it even close to as quickly as Prime moved it. Feel the burn.

Yes, because I won't equate Superman going down as easily as the Surfer fell before Thanos without him actually doing it but I have seen enough for me to conclude he still wins just not as easily. I cited the Ion fight as my justification.

And you already admitted that Superman's ability to destroy planets with his fists means he can easily and effortlessly move planets. Sorry if your own quanchilogic flipped your arguments upside down. It is your fault after all.

What do you mean? What's the Ion fight prove?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I said in the fight against Prime it wasn't previously damaged. Pay attention here buddy. Nothing suggests his armor was weakened prior to the feat it's just another thing you made up in your head. Don't listen to the funny voices onedodge they only laugh at you in the end.

No you didn't. Onedodge you did anything but answer my questions. You do the whole I will restate myself over and over again thing which has become your only tactic when dealing with my superior debating prowess.

Keep dodging, brah. You know it, I know it, bada knows it, and all the voices in your head know it. I won.

I answered the question. You wanted to know if Superman could replicate the suit-tearing feat. If he was bloodlusted, expended an entire guardian-amp fighting Monarch, and Monarch let his guard down, bloodlusted Superman could rip the suit. Concerning your purported "superior debating prowess," who was more superior, past-quanchi112 or present-quanchi112? Cause between the two of you, one of you is right and the other is an incredible retard. You can pick.

By the power of dur, I say thee NAY! Projecting victory onto oneself and puffing your chest with false bravado is usually seen as obnoxious. With you though, it's oddly disturbing, like "Do you really believe that? Even if you didn't... like... what would possess you to type that out for people to see?" Take a breath, kiddo. It's comics.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You do need to reread it, or channel your past-quanchi112. Because you focus on how SMP in the sun easily threw off a whole horde of heroes. Well guess what? A hurt Black Adam who didn't have the benefit of healing was doing that even when heavily messed up. So he matched SMP's feat, while severely messed up. That's what you keep trying to ignore. But it's staring you right here, right now. In black and white.

And you already admitted that Superman's ability to destroy planets with his fists means he can easily and effortlessly move planets. Sorry if your own quanchilogic flipped your arguments upside down. It is your fault after all.

What do you mean? What's the Ion fight prove? Uh, no. Look at the last page. You said the armor "was never damaged." You were wrong. Quaneuvers don't work when you can simply look at the post in question. Since a random alternate GL can rupture the suit, guardian-amped Prime who is far more powerful likely weakened it unless you think that random alternate GL's attack was stronger than all of guardian-amped SMP's attacks combined prior to suit tearing. That'd be really funny if you just cornered yourself into that conclusion.

I answered the question. You wanted to know if Superman could replicate the suit-tearing feat. If he was bloodlusted, expended an entire guardian-amp fighting Monarch, and Monarch let his guard down, bloodlusted Superman could rip the suit. Concerning your purported "superior debating prowess," who was more superior, past-quanchi112 or present-quanchi112? Cause between the two of you, one of you is right and the other is an incredible retard. You can pick.

By the power of dur, I say thee NAY! Projecting victory onto oneself and puffing your chest with false bravado is usually seen as obnoxious. With you though, it's oddly disturbing, like "Do you really believe that? Even if you didn't... like... what would possess you to type that out for people to see?" Take a breath, kiddo. It's comics.

No, because Superman has never destroyed one on panel an dwe have never seen him to my knowledge effortlessly move one as quickly as Prime did. We've seen quite the opposite.

That Prime needs time to beat down top tiers unlike Thanos.

It was never damaged in the fight against Prime. I have already explianed myself and my reasoning onedodge dooy do. My stances always make perrfect sense while yours don't. Sucks to be you.

I stated if both were fine and Monarch allowed them to fly up and tear open his suit who would do better? You dodged.

You are such a sore loser.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tanking hits doesn't equate losing power up it just means he got messed up while being more powerful than usual. Prime tossed them aside while BA almost had his face burnt off and was overcome.

No, because Superman has never destroyed one on panel an dwe have never seen him to my knowledge effortlessly move one as quickly as Prime did. We've seen quite the opposite.

That Prime needs time to beat down top tiers unlike Thanos.

It was never damaged in the fight against Prime. I have already explianed myself and my reasoning onedodge dooy do. My stances always make perrfect sense while yours don't. Sucks to be you.

I stated if both were fine and Monarch allowed them to fly up and tear open his suit who would do better? You dodged.

You are such a sore loser.

Originally posted by Omega Vision

Originally posted by quanchi112
What exactly do you disagree with?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
The part where you think you're winning the argument.

LMAO

Originally posted by quanchi112
I did.