Originally posted by OneDumbG01.No, you didn't answer my question. You avoided it altogether and went on another rant.
1. ... I answered your question. If you gave Superman a Guardian-amp and bloodlust, and let him go toe-to-toe up until the Guardian-amp is used up, and Monarch lets his guard down foolishly, then Superman at that point can indeed rip his armor. I'm just giving Superman the benefit of what SMP had. I don't understand how you're seriously arguing this.
2. ... again receiving help =/= needing help- oh wait. You finally conceded. Good. Concession accepted.
3. ... so when Superman has the Justice League or a squad of Kryptonians at his command, and lives are in danger, he tells everyone to get back and goes all-out? No. Just no.
4. ... what you typed concerning Henshaw doesn't make sense. And here is another poster talking about comparing Superman and SMP: peaches
5. ... I am asking what you meant by "throwing 300." What am I supposed to do with a nonsensical question?
6. ... typical quaneuver. But irregardless, doesn't change the fact that you were completely wrong when you said that SMP wrecked the Speedforce upon his return from exile. It was an innocent (and still entirely stupid) mistake on your part. We forgive you.a) I don't couch self-serving questions and divorce them from the circumstances on-panel.
b) SMP already tore Monarch's armor off at the end of an issue-long fight after Monarch foolishly let his guard down. This is on-panel. That's the answer. Do you even remember your questions? Fixed. And yes, shame on me. Also: 💃
5. I can't recall when I stated that.
6. I was correct and you also equating asking for help with something you can easily do on your own is just odg logic and quite foolish.
a)You don't answer questions at all. You avoid the ones which destroy your case.
b)Can Superman do the same?
You can change quotes another desperate tactic on your part.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeI asked him to answer my question as to who could do it without those circumstances so the question wasn't answered at all.
^to be fair Quan, he answered your question.
Under the same conditions, Superman would have ripped Monarchs armor.
That's a clear answer. 😐
He dodged my question repeatedly and thinks Superman is equal to Prime based on speculation and speculation alone.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I asked him to answer my question as to who could do it without those circumstances so the question wasn't answered at all.He dodged my question repeatedly and thinks Superman is equal to Prime based on speculation and speculation alone.
And to your Question. The answer would be then, that Prime would not be able to breach the armor as heavily as he did without an prior Guardian-amp fight.
Not really. Prime never beat Superman. Superman fought him just once seriously, the other "fights" he tried to reason with him.
Superman is, under the right circumstances, > Prime. Both flew through the Red Sun, the Kryptonite was ineffective against Prime while it weakened Superman but once he saw how Prime killed Kal-L he beat him.
Both were equally depowered but Prime wasn't affected by the Kryptonite, so even though Superman had to endure more he was still able to defeat Prime.
Think about it.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeMan > boy
And to your Question. The answer would be then, that Prime would not be able to breach the armor as heavily as he did without an prior Guardian-amp fight.Not really. Prime never beat Superman. Superman fought him just once seriously, the other "fights" he tried to reason with him.
Superman is, under the right circumstances, > Prime. Both flew through the Red Sun, the Kryptonite was ineffective against Prime while it weakened Superman but once he saw how Prime killed Kal-L he beat him.
Both were equally depowered but Prime wasn't affected by the Kryptonite, so even though Superman had to endure more he was still able to defeat Prime.
Think about it.
That's basically what they were when powerless.
Originally posted by Mindset
OK, but Superman wasn't almost dead and anywhere close to it.A man with the flu > a boy
Depends on the flu and the man, but Kryptonite is more like an posion, and there was a lot of it there. He was also cheapshotted in the back.
Do I think he could beat Prime under his own power in IC, holding back like he does? No. But could he if he had to, meaning going all out? Yes.
Originally posted by Batman-Primedisagree as the amp clearly wore off.
And to your Question. The answer would be then, that Prime would not be able to breach the armor as heavily as he did without an prior Guardian-amp fight.Not really. Prime never beat Superman. Superman fought him just once seriously, the other "fights" he tried to reason with him.
Superman is, under the right circumstances, > Prime. Both flew through the Red Sun, the Kryptonite was ineffective against Prime while it weakened Superman but once he saw how Prime killed Kal-L he beat him.
Both were equally depowered but Prime wasn't affected by the Kryptonite, so even though Superman had to endure more he was still able to defeat Prime.
Think about it.
I don't have to think about anything. Prime is superior to Superman and had to be depowered and double teamed without his powers to be beaten.
Superman hasn't even come close to even making him feel pain at his normal power levels. All out Superman has done nothing superior or equal to Prime's best. Period.
Originally posted by MindsetThe boy also had to fight one older man prior to Superman. But yes a man beat a boy. Beating a powerless Prime when he's a boy isn't something which holds any relevance for beating Prime with his powers.
OK, but Superman wasn't almost dead and anywhere close to it.A man with the flu > a boy
Originally posted by quanchi112
disagree as the amp clearly wore off.I don't have to think about anything. Prime is superior to Superman and had to be depowered and double teamed without his powers to be beaten.
Superman hasn't even come close to even making him feel pain at his normal power levels. All out Superman has done nothing superior or equal to Prime's best. Period.
The boy also had to fight one older man prior to Superman. But yes a man beat a boy. Beating a powerless Prime when he's a boy isn't something which holds any relevance for beating Prime with his powers.
There is nothing to agree or disagree. The fact remains that the armor was strained during the fight, HV and Punches had surely their effect, under his amped condition.
The guy who beat him took the depowerment better even though he had also an deadly posion around him. That was their only real fight, the other times Superman tried to reason with Prime, he wasn't going all out.
You opinion, though i doubt you know all of Supermans best showings.
It is, when you consider that Superman was the only one not immune to the Kryptonite around him, and it was a lot of it on their battlefield.
Originally posted by Batman-PrimeBased on what though? The art? What?
There is nothing to agree or disagree. The fact remains that the armor was strained during the fight, HV and Punches had surely their effect, under his amped condition.The guy who beat him took the depowerment better even though he had also an deadly posion around him. That was their only real fight, the other times Superman tried to reason with Prime, he wasn't going all out.
You opinion, though i doubt you know all of Supermans best showings.
It is, when you consider that Superman was the only one not immune to the Kryptonite around him, and it was a lot of it on their battlefield.
Again, I am taking their feats and their confrontations and linking them up together. Do you think the writer's have written them as equals? I mean if you do I honestly don't see a good reason why to suggest they were written as such.
I've read many Superman issues but I don't need to as I have seen their comparisons already when on the same panel. If Hulk lifts something incredibly heavy that doesn't mean Thor couldn't.
Don't get hung up on feats so much.
Superman beat down a younger boy. That's it.