How much stronger is Superboy Prime than Superman

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Let me know when you're finished quaneuvering around contradicting yourself again. Also: Your kindness and magnanimity brings a tear to my eye.

If you teleported in bloodlusted Superman right at that moment and teleported SMP out, bloodlusted Superman would shred his armor. Guess somebody either didn't read World War III or doesn't want to admit that Black Adam wasn't subdued/contained/held down! vin

Yes, your kindness to me was displayed when you made called my statements foolish when they were actually your statements. Only... not so much. 👆

Dodge.

Don't be a hypocrite.

I was only being honest.

Do you agree Prime is stronger than an all out Superman?

^ Are too! vin

I just answered it. Switch out SMP and switch in bloodlusted Superman at that exact moment and bloodlusted Superman rips the armor! ha-son

Don't read World War III, you'll be surprised when you do! vin

Only being honest about how your own statements were foolish? Gotcha. 👆

Not all that much stronger. Definitely not as overwhelmingly stronger as you made him out to be.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Are too! vin

I just answered it. Switch out SMP and switch in bloodlusted Superman at that exact moment and bloodlusted Superman rips the armor! ha-son

Don't read World War III, you'll be surprised when you do! vin

Only being honest about how your own statements were foolish? Gotcha. 👆

Not all that much stronger. Definitely not as overwhelmingly stronger as you made him out to be.

I already have and nothing I stated is incorrect.

When taken out of context and applied here.

Yep, because in their confrontations they were shown to be almost peers. Reread legion of three worlds.

^ It's the fair question to be asked. Can bloodlusted Superman do what SMP did? Yes. Just switch out SMP and switch in blood-lusted Superman right at that moment.

It is incorrect. You stating that Black Adam was contained and held down by being beaten on for the lightning to depower him is incorrect. You won't (likely can't) even answer who the last person was that he threw off of him. Next time, read the comics you're arguing about.

So when you take my deliberate quotes of you out of context, then you're being honest about your own statements being foolish? Gotcha. 👆

And in their confrontations Superman is bloodlusted and trying to kill SMP? Not really! vin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ It's the fair question to be asked. Can bloodlusted Superman do what SMP did? Yes. Just switch out SMP and switch in blood-lusted Superman right at that moment.

It is incorrect. You stating that Black Adam was contained and held down by being beaten on for the lightning to depower him is incorrect. You won't (likely can't) even answer who the last person was that he threw off of him. Next time, read the comics you're arguing about.

So when you take my deliberate quotes of you out of context, then you're being honest about your own statements being foolish? Gotcha. 👆

And in their confrontations Superman is bloodlusted and trying to kill SMP? Not really! vin

I stated he was held in check to hit him with lightning which was true. Nothing you can say can change the comics themselves. I suggest rereading it yourself.

I told you what you did was wrong and expected better from you.

Oh that's right here's another example of what happens in comics not mattering.

^ Works for me. Why would I entertain a rigged question that has nothing to do with the topic?

No. You stated he was "soon going to be overwhelmed," "overwhelmed hence the lightning shot," that "If he wasn't dogpiled on and could have easily freed himself then he wouldn't have been depowered." You also disagree with me when I said he was throwing them off him right up until he was depowered. And he did. You are wrong. You won't even admit that he was throwing heroes off right up until he was depowered (or alternatively, can't acknowledge it because you didn't read it). Pick one.

No, you told your past self that he was wrong and was foolish. Then when I pointed out that it was your past self, you immediately tried to defend the original statement. It was extremely funny.

Exactly. Another example of you not caring that Superman holds back and wasn't bloodlusted when fighting SMP and acting like it doesn't matter. Sheesh.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Works for me. Why would I entertain a rigged question that has nothing to do with the topic?

No. You stated he was "soon going to be overwhelmed," "overwhelmed hence the lightning shot," that "If he wasn't dogpiled on and could have easily freed himself then he wouldn't have been depowered." You also disagree with me when I said he was throwing them off him right up until he was depowered. And he did. You are wrong. You won't even admit that he was throwing heroes off right up until he was depowered (or alternatively, can't acknowledge it because you didn't read it). Pick one.

No, you told your past self that he was wrong and was foolish. Then when I pointed out that it was your past self, you immediately tried to defend the original statement. It was extremely funny.

Exactly. Another example of you not caring that Superman holds back and wasn't bloodlusted when fighting SMP and acting like it doesn't matter. Sheesh.

He was hard to handle but at the end he was defeated and overwhelmed. If you disagree with this you didn't read it nad are pullin a h1.

Out of context.

No, it's an example you to want to ignore while you make things up in your mind of how things are.

^ Insert bloodlusted Superman at that moment. Bloodlusted Superman would do it. Hence, I don't think what SMP did while "unamped" was something overwhelmingly greater than what a bloodlusted Superman could do. Perfect answer. Reasonable question. Directly relevant to topic. Rigged questions are for idiots.

He wasn't dogpiled on, he wasn't about to be overwhelmed, he wasn't overwhelmed period. You won't (or can't) even answer who the last character Black Adam threw off of him was.

Yes, you were taking my account of your own statement out of context and inadvertently making fun of yourself over it. 👆

Yes. It is just another example of you wanting to ignore that Superman never wanted to kill SMP and never fought him bloodlusted. vin

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Insert bloodlusted Superman at that moment. Bloodlusted Superman would do it. Hence, I don't think what SMP did while "unamped" was something overwhelmingly greater than what a bloodlusted Superman could do. Perfect answer. Reasonable question. Directly relevant to topic. Rigged questions are for idiots.

He wasn't dogpiled on, he wasn't about to be overwhelmed, he wasn't overwhelmed period. You won't (or can't) even answer who the last character Black Adam threw off of him was.

Yes, you were taking my account of your own statement out of context and inadvertently making fun of yourself over it. 👆

Yes. It is just another example of you wanting to ignore that Superman never wanted to kill SMP and never fought him bloodlusted. vin

Until you answer my question without changing the question around I won't do so.

Again, out of context.

What examples of Superman bloodlusted put him close to Prime?

The argument that Superman bloodlusted puts him near or over Prime's level is the same as Quan's argument that Thanos is above Odin... btw.

Just thought that should be said for all the people that hate Quan's arguments so much...

Originally posted by Blanket
The argument that Superman bloodlusted puts him near or over Prime's level is the same as Quan's argument that Thanos is above Odin... btw.

Just thought that should be said for all the people that hate Quan's arguments so much...

Originally posted by quanchi112
Thanos has been upgraded though while Superman hasn't.

Allow me to explain.

Superman supporters explain that Superman gets dynamic strength from not holding back. They argue that despite him getting raped by Prime, his dynamic strength unleashed in a battle would destroy Prime, or allow him to look equal.
Dynamic strength in this case, would be an upgrade, as it is explained by the Superman fans as him having way more strength than usual.

Thanos' battle with Odin was him getting beat on. You claim that an upgrade would surpass Odin's level based on the same thing the Superman supporters do... a vague upgrade in power.

If neither sides can find a parallel between the two, then I've overestimated both sides. Mean while, I'm jerking to the irony.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, that's not the question. Not at that moment. I told you the same scenario applies to both characters.

Until you answer my question without changing the question around I won't do so.

Again, out of context.

What examples of Superman bloodlusted put him close to Prime?

Because you don't know the answer! peaches

Not really! vin

Kicking the holy crap out of several heroes/villains all by his lonesome like SMP did (although he still wasn't bloodlusted, as he wasn't killing em... cept maybe with the Imperiex drones which weren't strictly alive...).

Originally posted by Blanket
The argument that Superman bloodlusted puts him near or over Prime's level is the same as Quan's argument that Thanos is above Odin... btw.

Just thought that should be said for all the people that hate Quan's arguments so much...

The main difference between Thanos/Odin proponents is that Thanos was going all out and the myth that he got a strength/power upgrade is just that, a pure myth. And that is distinguishable from Superman/SMP proponents who argue that Superman isn't going all out. I don't jive with the whole "dynamic strength" card, but the things that SMP did, I don't see requiring "dynamic strength" from Superman. Just a bloodlust and a bit more strength, e.g., WWIII Black Adam. So my opinion isn't reliant on the myth of "dynamic strength."

Another distinction is that SMP is going all out. That is fairly evident. And I don't think Odin went all out or anywhere even close to all out against Thanos. So that expands the disconnect between the two situations for me personally.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Why not at that moment? That would gauge them equally. If you really want the same scenario, then that's the scenario, right then and there, could a blood-lusted Superman do what SMP did?

Because you don't know the answer! peaches

Not really! vin

Kicking the holy crap out of several heroes/villains all by his lonesome like SMP did (although he still wasn't bloodlusted, as he wasn't killing em... cept maybe with the Imperiex drones which weren't strictly alive...). I think it's different. Because Superman does hold back. He definitely wasn't blood-lusted when confronting SMP. Also, most of SMP's aggrandization comes from his rampages against groups of heroes. However, that completely ignores the inverse ninja law, i.e., the more ninjas (here, heroes) you throw at a problem all at once, the less effective they are.

The main difference between Thanos/Odin proponents is that Thanos was going all out and the myth that he got a strength/power upgrade is just that, a pure myth. And that is distinguishable from Superman/SMP proponents who argue that Superman isn't going all out. I don't jive with the whole "dynamic strength" card, but the things that SMP did, I don't see requiring "dynamic strength" from Superman. Just a bloodlust and a bit more strength, e.g., WWIII Black Adam. So my opinion isn't reliant on the myth of "dynamic strength."

Another distinction is that SMP is going all out. That is fairly evident. And I don't think Odin went all out or anywhere even close to all out against Thanos. So that expands the disconnect between the two situations for me personally.

And on the holding back note, I'm sure Quan would bring up Gungir, and a bunch of other things from the story. Meh.
Although personally, I'm not sure how you equate Thanos going all out, and then say Odin wasn't...

^ Quandards are tough... and rubbery. They usually need to be cooked at higher heats and be marinated beforehand.

As you say: I think Superman not holding back and being completely bloodlusted + a bit more strength can achieve what SMP did. However, the main disconnect between us appears to be my personal estimation that SMP never really did anything overwhelmingly impressive (I use WWWIII Black Adam as a proxy). At all. Especially with the majority of SMP's "impressive" feats stinking of inverse ninja law odor.

And on another level, I also think SMP is supposed to be a very deliberate reflection of Superman, i.e., this is what Superman would be like if he were a crazy murdering psychopath man-child. And that's distinguishable from, this is what Superman would be if he were exponentially more powerful than he is already.

On Thanos/Odin, Thanos got his a$$ pummeled. And Odin didn't demonstrate anything more than a blustering annoyance that Thanos didn't go down to Odin in a simple manner. Odin going all-out's a whole lot different. He usually screams out "Odin is the way and the power blah blah blah." Amps himself, grows enormous, sends reverberations through multiverse, etc. Odin against Thanos? That wasn't Odin going all-out. Not even close. Odin brought out Gungnir to chastise Thor... and got it's blast completely deflected by Mjolnir. I was never convinced by the whole Gungnir argument that thanos-proponents like to bring up.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Quandards are tough... and rubbery. They usually need to be cooked at higher heats and be marinated beforehand.

As you say: I think Superman not holding back and being completely bloodlusted + a bit more strength can achieve what SMP did. However, the main disconnect between us appears to be my personal estimation that SMP never really did anything overwhelmingly impressive (I use WWWIII Black Adam as a proxy). At all. Especially with the majority of SMP's "impressive" feats stinking of inverse ninja law odor.

And on another level, I also think SMP is supposed to be a very deliberate reflection of Superman, i.e., this is what Superman would be like if he were a crazy murdering psychopath man-child. And that's distinguishable from, this is what Superman would be if he were exponentially more powerful than he is already.

Who is superboy prime?

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Who is superboy prime?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
He's Clark Kent from Earth Prime. He's an insane psychopathic teenager who makes a job out of doing the impossible much to the annoyance of a lot of comics readers.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Much like Thanos