Originally posted by -Pr-Is that canon?
Superman Batman 33.
Originally posted by AllanklesWhat are you talking about? When they were both powerless and a boy took on two grown men powerless. That's what you are relying on?
Was talking about IC. Superman KO'd SBP in IC, after they fought on relatively even terms, circumstances aside.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Is that canon? What are you talking about? When they were both powerless and a boy took on two grown men powerless. That's what you are relying on?
of course it is.
plus, it's not the only time superman has taken on groups. heroes, villains, superman is a proven team buster with plenty of showings.
Originally posted by -Pr-I coulda sworn someone put up an interview by Didio where he stated that's an alternate reality for the most part but that some of the events could be proven as canon.
of course it is.plus, it's not the only time superman has taken on groups. heroes, villains, superman is a proven team buster with plenty of showings.
Originally posted by -Pr-
of course it is.plus, it's not the only time superman has taken on groups. heroes, villains, superman is a proven team buster with plenty of showings.
Very true statement. Superman has proven to be a team buster, dont see any reasons of denying this quan.
As for the topic at hand, I honestly think Prime is at least 3 times as strong as Supes, could be more and I'm basing this off of what the writers themselves stated about prime strength.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I coulda sworn someone put up an interview by Didio where he stated that's an alternate reality for the most part but that some of the events could be proven as canon.
it's canon. it's had canon arcs that were integral to dc, such as supergirl's return, the solomon grundy blackest night stuff etc.
Originally posted by carver9
Very true statement. Superman has proven to be a team buster, dont see any reasons of denying this quan.As for the topic at hand, I honestly think Prime is at least 3 times as strong as Supes, could be more and I'm basing this off of what the writers themselves stated about prime strength.
when did they state it?
Originally posted by quanchi112
I coulda sworn someone put up an interview by Didio where he stated that's an alternate reality for the most part but that some of the events could be proven as canon.
Majority of the story isnt cannon and as for that part of the story, thats NOT cannon (which you are correct, it was stated in an interview) but Supes still have showings of him being a team buster. He might not have the type of showing that prime has or fought the type of teams that prime fought but he is still a group killer (if he wants to be). I just cant see him doing it close to the fashion Prime can.
Originally posted by carver9I never said he wasn't a team buster I referred to him needing aid against the heroes in the dominus arc. Taking on teams also doesn't focus solely on strength but combat effectiveness. My point was Prime did so while weakened and when his full power was restored he easily brushed them off.
Very true statement. Superman has proven to be a team buster, dont see any reasons of denying this quan.As for the topic at hand, I honestly think Prime is at least 3 times as strong as Supes, could be more and I'm basing this off of what the writers themselves stated about prime strength.
Originally posted by -Pr-So certain arcs are or the whole thing. It seems to be sloppy when we discuss superman/batman and I don't have access to the interview in question.
it's canon. it's had canon arcs that were integral to dc, such as supergirl's return, the solomon grundy blackest night stuff etc.when did they state it?
Originally posted by -Pr-
it's canon. it's had canon arcs that were integral to dc, such as supergirl's return, the solomon grundy blackest night stuff etc.when did they state it?
It was stated before the IC book even came out, before prime 1st appearance. I posted the scan a couple a months back. They even stated that Prime is comparable in strength to pre-crisis Superman and that the guy could turn a moon to dust just by head butting it.
Originally posted by carver9
Majority of the story isnt cannon and as for that part of the story, thats NOT cannon (which you are correct, it was stated in an interview) but Supes still have showings of him being a team buster. He might not have the type of showing that prime has or fought the type of teams that prime fought but he is still a group killer (if he wants to be). I just cant see him doing it close to the fashion Prime can.
which interview?
Originally posted by Galan007
AND the Captain Atom stuff (which is STILL being recalled in Action Comics to this day.)
aye. it was even referenced in IC, iirc?
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I think the reason why Superman/Batman gets questioned regarding it's state in canon is because its pretty non-linear at times. It often tells flashbacks as much as it will tell a story about a recent arc/event. Most (if not all) of it is canon, though.
yup. it was the same with superman confidential.
Originally posted by quanchi112
So certain arcs are or the whole thing. It seems to be sloppy when we discuss superman/batman and I don't have access to the interview in question.
most if not all of it. there's been too much referenced in other books for it to be non canon.
Originally posted by quanchi112
I never said he wasn't a team buster I referred to him needing aid against the heroes in the dominus arc. Taking on teams also doesn't focus solely on strength but combat effectiveness. My point was Prime did so while weakened and when his full power was restored he easily brushed them off.
I agree with this and its pretty obvious that Prime is leagues above Superman physically because Superman brought an entire army to stop Prime during IC and then they didnt even do that in a fair way, they had to ramb him through a red sun.
Physically, there shouldnt even be a comparison between the two and thats pretty obvious if you ask me.
Originally posted by carver9
It was stated before the IC book even came out, before prime 1st appearance. I posted the scan a couple a months back. They even stated that Prime is comparable in strength to pre-crisis Superman and that the guy could turn a moon to dust just by head butting it.
and that's the thing. Superman is comparable to pre crisis superman in strength too, as evident by their fights.