Hp Doomsday/Thanos vs Darkseid/Odin

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
A falling cliché 🙂.

Originally posted by h1a8
Huh?
What issues did his powers malfunction again? Because I don't recall an issue retconning the Lobo feat.

A result of his cells malfunctioning, not typical of standard Supes powerlevels.

Originally posted by h1a8
Remember the Lobo feat? Well HP Superman = or > than that Superman who hit Lobo.

MoS #30:

That is the Lobo feat you're referring to? And it's impressive. Damn impressive. But as you can see, he knows something's up. 3 issues later, its explained in a bit more detail:

MoS #33:

They resolve it in Superman #89, if you want to check it out afterwards from that. But you can clearly see that the increase in Superman's power was unnatural and they fix it. So feats around this time, such as the one-shot Lobo thing, aren't typical or the norm for him in that era and really shouldn't be used.

i remember that, superman was juiced on energies he'd absorbed and wasn't feeling too hot.

i don't have the lobo issue so i didn't know what time it occurred to make sense of it.

oh h1...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i remember that, superman was juiced on energies he'd absorbed and wasn't feeling too hot.

i don't have the lobo issue so i didn't know what time it occurred to make sense of it.

i could report you for not using spoiler tags.

(you might not get the joke)

Originally posted by psycho gundam
i could report you for not using spoiler tags.

(you might not get the joke)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Mandrakk is somethin' else, huh.

You think that this is mandrakk?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
You think that this is mandrakk?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Mandrakk is somethin' else, huh.

No, no retcon of course. The feat stands. I'm assuming you're talking about the one where Supes uppercuts Lobo into orbit and through a spacecraft. That's in Man of Steel #30. And I think he becomes that huge hulk Superman around MoS #36, but Raoul would be the better person to ask specifically. Anyway, if it is that feat you're talking about, Supes even comments on his surprise at what he's done, "Two with one blow! And my knuckles don't even sting! My powers are increasing!" And, of course, in a few more issues his power increases so much that he becomes Hulk-like huge.

A result of his cells malfunctioning, not typical of standard Supes powerlevels.

Oh ok I see. Well it was actually several issues that mentioned Superman is getting stronger. That is the reason why current Superman is much stronger than the earlier post crisis versions. I think the writer who took over after Bryne (Stern I think) said they wanted to make Superman stronger as to why several issues mentioned that he was getting stronger.

I believe HP came before that incident though. So if that Superman was stronger than current Superman then this makes DD looks more unbeatable and not worse.

I think it was Superman: Hunter/Prey then Man of Steel #30-33 and the like, timeline wise.

But yeah, Superman is definitely stronger currently than back then. He got that power up after being killed by Doomsday, then again after being split into the two Energy Supermen and reuniting into regular Supes, then again during Our Worlds At War when Mongul trains him, and again in Up, Up, And Away most recently (although IMO that was only a thought-speed and sensory upgrade). If I missed any powerups, I'm sure someone else will hammer me.

But yeah.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought the scan was Darkseid speaking about him seeing a shadow being cast over the multiverse while he was falling through it...from DC Universe #0 IIRC. Is it not? Because that one referred to Mandrakk.

The Speaker is Barry Allen and the shadow he talks about is Darkseid falling toward the Multiverse (the burning dude is Darkseid). That's how i read it. 🙂

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The Speaker is Barry Allen and the shadow he talks about is Darkseid falling toward the Multiverse (the burning dude is Darkseid). That's how i read it. 🙂

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't believe you as he pointed out the opposite instead.
You must not only prove exactly what he said in the interview (post it) but you must prove he said it in the time HP came out. Because Jurgens at the time of HP wrote DD to be beyond all forces in the universe, except the end of time.

DS's OE is arguably the most powerful beam in comicdom. The only beings that have survived were DD (because of shear durability) and a very very few beings only because of their essentiality to reality (Like Superman).

Odin's blasts hasn't vaporized on contact anyone herald level or above in his entire history. DS's OE has done so time and time again; it has instant vapored things far far beyond Superman in durability. Odin may have seriously hurt, koed, etc. with his blasts but never have they been portrayed as anything close to the OE. Hell when the OE is emitted from DS eyes the reader's are in terror as they know what they are capable of and what they are about to do. Not so with Odin's blasts which can and has been tanked time and time again.

Originally posted by h1a8
The Superman in DOS was much weaker than current Superman but the Superman in HP was either equal or not far off from current Superman.

Remember the Lobo feat? Well HP Superman = or > than that Superman who hit Lobo.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I think it was Superman: Hunter/Prey then Man of Steel #30-33 and the like, timeline wise.

But yeah, Superman is definitely stronger currently than back then. He got that power up after being killed by Doomsday, then again after being split into the two Energy Supermen and reuniting into regular Supes, then again during Our Worlds At War when Mongul trains him, and again in Up, Up, And Away most recently (although IMO that was only a thought-speed and sensory upgrade). If I missed any powerups, I'm sure someone else will hammer me.

But yeah.

People often talk about an upgrade during Up, Up and Away but wasn't Superman powerless before that? He went through a long period where he had no powers, and then after getting them he talks about something that's rarely brought up in terms of his powerset, his eidetic memory, speed of thought etc.

I think it has been mentioned before briefly that Krypronians think faster than humans, as far as his senses go the guy has always had tremendous senses, I mean he can "hear" an electron being displaced in an atom.

I haven't read the story in a while but I honestly never thought he was upgraded there.

Originally posted by Allankles
People often talk about an upgrade during Up, Up and Away but wasn't Superman powerless before that? He went through a long period where he had no powers, and then after getting them he talks about something that's rarely brought up in terms of his powerset, his eidetic memory, speed of thought etc.

I think it has been mentioned before briefly that Krypronians think faster than humans, as far as his senses go the guy has always had tremendous senses, I mean he can "hear" an electron being displaced in an atom.

I haven't read the story in a while but I honestly never thought he was upgraded there.

Also, thanks for the correction regarding OV's scan. I went back to reread the issue and you're obviously right, it's Allen talking about Darkseid. But I'm wondering, wasn't there some issue that Darkseid mentions that he saw Mandrakk during his fall? I remember it being brought up months ago back when the Mandrakk vs. threads were popular....

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already have. I won't do it for you since you don't read comics and continue to parade around here like you do.
Someone already destroyed your lobo feat and I have already given my reasoning more than once about hp Superman and the reasoning why he gave such a pitiful performance against Doomsday.

The lobo feat isn't destroyed. Current Superman is either stronger or equal to that Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
The lobo feat isn't destroyed. Current Superman is either stronger or equal to that Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
The lobo feat isn't destroyed. Current Superman is either stronger or equal to that Superman.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I seriously doubt that. Just look at what happened to Parasite in my scans. Superman wasn't even remotely drained and Parasite was uber powerful. Whereas current Superman has been drained badly by Parasite and Parasite still wasn't on the level he was at in MoS 33.

There is a such thing as bad showing, good showings, and bad writing.
It happens all the time.

These events never happened nor did these character's ever exist. This means there is no such thing as 'reason behind something' or 'reason why something happened' unless it was intended by the writer. The writer's intention was clearly to make Superman stronger than Bryne's Superman to increase the fan base (which Superman lost by weakening him).

Also since current Superman has strength feats that exceed the Lobo feat then it is valid.

Otherwise, this is like saying that the feat where Hulk lifted a tank way back then is invalid because he was stronger than he is now. But Hulk can still lift a tank now! So it isn't invalid.

He only suffered from the absorbing an excess amount of energy problem in like, 6 issues. He didn't have many feats besides the Lobo and Parasite one to compare to Current Superman. So of course current might have better feats. Nevertheless, that Superman absorbed so much radiation that his body was physically mutated. Much like, say, Superman's exposure to red k-nite in JLA v3 (Tower of Babel I think) made his body go into overdrive and became vastly more powerful than normal.

Since current Supes' body isn't distorted and hulk-like from uber radiation absorption, I think its pretty safe to conclude that in those few issues (such as for the Lobo feat) he was stronger than he is currently.

EDIT: Also, Bryne was long gone from writing Superman during MoS 33.