I'm not sure about this but for now I'll say Vaan. He can use pyroclasm which is his strongest quickening and his weakest quickening create a (IIRC) blue spiral ended with giant energy pillar. even he can create a giant whirlwind covered with white thunder. and IIRC I haven't seen any attack Tidus created is as strong as that. Correct me if I wrong.
Tidus wins becuase he was in Dissidia and showed some skills above Vaan there.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Tidus wins becuase he was in Dissidia and showed some skills above Vaan there.
He hasn't shown any skills above Vaan, Vaan it is not introduced in Dissidia. I've noticed you are making the same kind of argument that the Final Fantasy VII fans did to Cloud when he was against Squall. Squall hadn't a movie, so they thought Cloud was far stronger than him just because of the feats he showed in Advent Children. Totally wrong. Plus, Tidus is just jumping and evading Kuja attacks, we don't even see his abilities swinging the sword and if you take in consideration Gabranth, he's FAR stronger than Tidus inside and outside Dissidia, so imagine Vaan as something like that.
Gabranth's EX-Burst is represented as Basch's Quickenings in Dissidia.
Let's compare:
Tidus Ex-Burst:
Gabranth's:
And these are Vaan's Quickenings:
He hasn't shown any skills above Vaan, Vaan it is not introduced in Dissidia. I've noticed you are making the same kind of argument that the Final Fantasy VII fans did to Cloud when he was against Squall. Squall hadn't a movie, so they thought Cloud was far stronger than him just because of the feats he showed in Advent Children. Totally wrong.
No it isn't. 😐
Plus, Tidus is just jumping and evading Kuja attacks, we don't even see his abilities swinging the sword
He displays physical attributes far above anything Vaan accomplishes, showing that he's a better combatant in leau (sp?) of his metahuman feats.
if you take in consideration Gabranth, he's FAR stronger than Tidus inside and outside Dissidia, so imagine Vaan as something like that.
Becuase Vaan = Gabranth? 😕
And his quickenings look an awful lot like its a case of Supernova symdrome, where Sephiroth doesn't really blow up a sun, just like Vaan doesn't really turn the world into a load of pretty colours and bright lights, nor is it likely he causes a massive explosion becuase of the complete lack of collateral damage.
That is, if Dissidia is to be considered canon. Which would be bad for Sephiroth fans as Cloud kicks his ass twice.
Dissidia is canon, but yet again Sephiroth let's Cloud win. It's not because he's being arrogant again though, the Dissidia Ultimania explains that he wants the heroes to succeed in defeating Chaos and his allies so things will go back to normal and he can continue with his plans for godhood, ruling through his Geostigma plan in his world rather than being a pawn of Chaos.
Originally posted by Nephthys
No it isn't.
To what paragraph are you replying...?
Originally posted by Nephthys
He displays physical attributes far above anything Vaan accomplishes
Where...? Vaan it is NOT introduced in Dissidia, you can't use Dissidia against someone who isn't there, you know. Tidus is a Blitzball player, Vaan is an Sky Pirate, Vaan wins, hands down.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Becuase Vaan = Gabranth? confusedAnd his quickenings look an awful lot like its a case of Supernova symdrome, where Sephiroth doesn't really blow up a sun, just like Vaan doesn't really turn the world into a load of pretty colours and bright lights, nor is it likely he causes a massive explosion becuase of the complete lack of collateral damage.
Gabranth is the only Final Fantasy XII character introduced in Dissidia, I put him on the table, just to gave a simple example about the Final Fantasy XII characters' feats. They aren't any push overs as many of the fans thinks.
Vaan doesn't turn any world. Where did you see a world in the Quickening? ... What you see there isn't a planet... When he throws his last Fire-Ball to the opponent the both of them explodes when making contact in the Air.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
To what paragraph are you replying...?
The part where you say its totally wrong that someone with superior feats trumps someone with lesser or non-existent feats. Becuase... that just doesn't make sense, right!? 😐
Where...? Vaan it is NOT introduced in Dissidia, you can't use Dissidia against someone who isn't there, you know. Tidus is a Blitzball player, Vaan is an Sky Pirate, Vaan wins, hands down.
Tidus, by showing off his clearly metahuman abilities and high agility has shown himself to be on a level above someone who has never even hinted that he can perform on that level. And yes, if a person has displayed feats better than another character, even a spinoff, if its canon, they are better than them.
And so what if he's a Blitzball player (who display above human feats like being able to propell themselves dozens of feet in the air from water) and Vaan's a sky pirate. That has incredibly limited relevence here.
Gabranth is the only Final Fantasy XII character introduced in Dissidia, I put him on the table, just to gave a simple example about the Final Fantasy XII characters' feats. They aren't any push overs as many of the fans thinks.Vaan doesn't turn any world. Where did you see a world in the Quickening? ... What you see there isn't a planet... When he throws his last Fire-Ball to the opponent the both of them explodes when making contact in the Air.
Trying to say that Vaan isn't a push-over becuase some other guy marginally related to him isn't just doesn't work I'm afraid. You might as well say, 'Hey! This 'Voldemort' is pretty awesome. Heres Bob. He comes from the same place as Voldemort so he must also be awesome. QED.'
And I'm talking about the fact that as he does his quickening, the world around him dissapears to be replaced with (in the second instance) some random dust-cloud that changes colour and has bits of rock hovering everywhere. Vaan also appears to be standing on thin air. Either its just a dramatic effect, like it was (iirc) in Sephiroths case, or Vaan himself transports them into a different reality completely at random.
Btw, this is a frequent occurence in Final Fantasy, so unless they're all reality warpers I'm going with the 'SFX' version.
Originally posted by Nephthys
The part where you say its totally wrong that someone with superior feats trumps someone with lesser or non-existent feats. Becuase... that just doesn't make sense, right!?
Still, I don't know what "superior feats" Tidus have shown over Vaan... I truly don't know what are you talking about.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Tidus, by showing off his clearly metahuman abilities and high agility has shown himself to be on a level above someone who has never even hinted that he can perform on that level.
Metahuman...? You must be joking. Tidus is a normal human.
Let's see... So because Vaan hasn't shown feats like we see in Dissidia (crazy jumps, because that's everything Tidus does) that automatically makes Tidus superior? Tidus hasn't showed anything like that in Final Fantasy X either.
Originally posted by Nephthys
if a person has displayed feats better than another character, even a spinoff, if its canon, they are better than them.
So by your logic, if I put Batman in a spin-off comic book showing feats above Superman you would say Batman is stronger? Tidus is stronger than Seifer? Because by your logic Tidus shows amazing feats in Dissidia (?), so I could say he's stronger than Seifer who hasn't shown those feats because he is NOT in the game. Vaan it is NOT introduced in Dissidia, you cannot say Tidus is stronger just because Vaan it is not in Dissidia.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Trying to say that Vaan isn't a push-over becuase some other guy marginally related to him isn't just doesn't work I'm afraid. You might as well say, 'Hey! This 'Voldemort' is pretty awesome. Heres Bob. He comes from the same place as Voldemort so he must also be awesome. QED.'
.... Tidus is just a normal human. It seems you don't get it. Tidus is a "super-human" compared to us, in the Final Fantasy Universe he can do that without being considered a super-human. Vaan being a Sky Pirate shows he's more experienced in battle, on the other hand you have a guy who hasn't wield a sword till the beginning of it game.
You think Vaan is a push over? Well, you gotta explain why you think that. No, you are misunderstanding, I'm talking about the Final Fantasy XII characters in general, they aren't push overs.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And I'm talking about the fact that as he does his quickening, the world around him dissapears to be replaced with (in the second instance) some random dust-cloud that changes colour and has bits of rock hovering everywhere. Vaan also appears to be standing on thin air. Either its just a dramatic effect, like it was (iirc) in Sephiroths case, or Vaan himself transports them into a different reality completely at random.
What have to do game effects? The fact is that he CAN perform that ability as Squall can perform Blasting Zone without mutilating the Earth, duh...
Still, I don't know what "superior feats" Tidus have shown over Vaan... I truly don't know what are you talking about.
How about the way he can do half a dozen handspings, dive 10 feet in the air, push off 30 feet into the air, have Zidane latch on to his foot, spin around in mid air and propell him at very fast speeds towards another enemy? The second link shows more of the same but demonstrates some durability in being able to shake off a punch that blasts him 50-feet backwards into a pillar. That stuff is clearly above human level.
Metahuman...? You must be joking. Tidus is a normal human.
Right, a normal human who can leap dozens of feet skyward. A normal human who can breath underwater. A normal human who can jump out of water. A normal human who knows magic etc.
Let's see... So because Vaan hasn't shown feats like we see in Dissidia (crazy jumps, because that's everything Tidus does) that automatically makes Tidus superior?
Yes. What are you having problems with here?
So by your logic, if I put Batman in a spin-off comic book showing feats above Superman you would say Batman is stronger?
Yes. Seriously, what is the matter with you? is it that hard to understand that when someone performs better than someone else he's Better. How can you not understand that!?
Tidus is stronger than Seifer? Because by your logic Tidus shows amazing feats in Dissidia (?), so I could say he's stronger than Seifer who hasn't shown those feats because he is NOT in the game.
No. Seifer cut Odin in half without even appearing to move, thats above anything Tidus does.
Vaan it is NOT introduced in Dissidia, you cannot say Tidus is stronger just because Vaan it is not in Dissidia.
Look, heres where I think you're going wrong here. You think I'm saying that Just becuase he's in Dissidia he's better. Its not. What I'm saying is that he performed feats in Dissidia that are better. Do you get it. Heres what I originally said:
Tidus wins becuase he was in Dissidia and showed some skills above Vaan there.
Notice the emphasis?
.... Tidus is just a normal human. It seems you don't get it. Tidus is a "super-human" compared to us, in the Final Fantasy Universe he can do that without being considered a super-human.
Which is why I'm calling him a 'super-human'. And please, its up to you to prove that everyone in Final Fantasy is on his level. Becuase as I recall, no-one in FF12 showed anything close to the physical abilities of Tidus. But if I'm wrong, prove up.
Vaan being a Sky Pirate shows he's more experienced in battle,
Becuase..... ?
By that logic I could say that Tidus was a Guardian, so he Must have more experience in battle. See the faulty logic there?
on the other hand you have a guy who hasn't wield a sword till the beginning of it game.
And yet smehow became a sword-master in 30 seconds, able to pull off stuff like his Overdrive right from the start. What great feats of swordplay has Vaan ever shown?
You think Vaan is a push over? Well, you gotta explain why you think that.
Becuase He's never shown anything that might put him on a level higher than that! I can't just say, 'he's obviously a badass,' for no bloody reason. He needs to have actaually shown something impressive before that. And he hasn't shown anything so far (or rather, you havn't) that would change my mind about that!
No, you are misunderstanding, I'm talking about the Final Fantasy XII characters in general, they aren't push overs.
Great. Except we aren't talking about that, we're talking about Vaan. So what has Vaan done?
What have to do game effects? The fact is that he CAN perform that ability as Squall can perform Blasting Zone without mutilating the Earth, duh...
Please repeat that in a way that I can understand, becuase I'm struggling with it at the moment.
Originally posted by Nephthys
How about the way he can do half a dozen handspings, dive 10 feet in the air, push off 30 feet into the air, have Zidane latch on to his foot, spin around in mid air and propell him at very fast speeds towards another enemy? The second link shows more of the same but demonstrates some durability in being able to shake off a punch that blasts him 50-feet backwards into a pillar. That stuff is clearly above human level.Look, heres where I think you're going wrong here. You think I'm saying that Just becuase he's in Dissidia he's better. Its not. What I'm saying is that he performed feats in Dissidia that are better. Do you get it. Heres what I originally said: Notice the emphasis?
Oh right... You clearly don't get my point and you keep using Dissidia to prove Tidus is stronger than someone who isn't there. All the characters in Dissidia shows awesome feats: speed, strength, etc. If that's your whole argument about Tidus being stronger than Vaan, I'm afraid that is not enough. I'll repeat what I wrote in my previous post. Most of the fans keep arguing that Cloud is far stronger than Squall and other Final Fantasy characters just because of the things, feats, and moves he does in Advent Children, that has been proved wrong multiple times, but they keep insisting. If Cloud does all of that, doesn't mean the other Final Fantasy characters can't do it as well. If Gabranth weren't in Dissidia, I wouldn't think he could perform all of those feats either, despite of this, he can, so Vaan and any Final Fantasy XII characters could, there's nothing to suggest they can't, otherwise, prove it.
No, no, that's the same. Vaan isn't there. If he were there you could say it, though I don't think so, Tidus wouldn't show feats above Vaan's. Vaan is nonexistent in Dissidia, so I assume you are comparing Dissidia Tidus to the Vaan from Final Fantasy XII. Why we don't compare both characters from their original games? I wouldn't compare any of the characters from Dissidia to some who aren't there, you know. In Dissidia all seems awesome, I insist, just look at Gabranth.
Tidus isn't the only one who can perform crazy jumps, so I don't see anything special about him. That may be look: "super-human" to YOU, but Tidus is just a normal human by Final Fantasy standards, he isn't super-human.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Right, a normal human who can leap dozens of feet skyward. A normal human who can breath underwater. A normal human who can jump out of water. A normal human who knows magic etc.
The part that he can: "breath" under-water made me to laugh a bit. So Jecht is super-human? Wakka is super-human? All of those random and weak people playing Blitzball are super-humans? You need a reality check. Tidus CAN'T breath under-water, no one can breath under-water, that's a totally made up argument, they can hold their breath for very prolonged time, that's all. Blitzball has nothing to do with fighting. Tidus can't use Magic, in that case, Vaan can. In the Final Fantasy Universe Magic is something normal, it can be performed by normal humans, Tidus is "super-human" compared to us. CLOUD under Final Fantasy standards IS super-human, NOT Tidus. Tidus jumping out of water makes no sense in a fight against anyone, every FF character can perform crazy jumps, etc.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. What are you having problems with here?
You are an stubborn one, don't you...? I could say Cloud is the most powerful character in the FF universe then, using your stupid logic (no offense) of course. Since he does amazing stuff in AC and the rest of the FF characters are nowhere close to that. Who could imagine Zidane, Squall, Tidus crashing and destroying buildings with their weapons... You seriously makes no sense, and being ironic doesn't help too much either. Tidus is doing crazy jumps in Dissidia, that's all, he doens't even shows his feats with swords, he may be an still a newbie, who knows.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Yes. Seriously, what is the matter with you? is it that hard to understand that when someone performs better than someone else he's Better. How can you not understand that!?
Oh my God... Read above...
Originally posted by Nephthys
No. Seifer cut Odin in half without even appearing to move, thats above anything Tidus does.
But Seifer hasn't shown anything close of what Tidus 'supposedly' has shown... That's your logic, not mine. Let's make this simple to understand... Tidus is just a beginner swordsman, he maybe an athlete or whatever you like, but that doesn't have relevance in a fight. Give a sword to a Football Player, it's the same.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Which is why I'm calling him a 'super-human'. And please, its up to you to prove that everyone in Final Fantasy is on his level. Becuase as I recall, no-one in FF12 showed anything close to the physical abilities of Tidus. But if I'm wrong, prove up.
EXACTLY, but under FF standards he is NOT super-human, I'm glad you're finally understanding. The only physical feat you have from Tidus is that he plays Blitzball... Like saying that would help him in a fight against someone more experienced in BATTLE. And just to add something, Tidus isn't thin, but Vaan neither. Tidus' way to build up his body was playing Blitzball, Vaan's was killing monsters. The rest of the Final Fantasy XII characters such as Basch are far experienced and stronger.
Originally posted by Nephthys
By that logic I could say that Tidus was a Guardian, so he Must have more experience in battle. See the faulty logic there?
What faulty logic? When Tidus became a Guardian he was more experienced than before. If I'm an amateur Football Player and later I become a novice, I would have more experience. Vaan being a thief and later becoming a Sky Pirate (being approved by other hundred people) shows he's more experienced somehow.
Originally posted by Nephthys
And yet smehow became a sword-master in 30 seconds
😂
Originally posted by Nephthys
Becuase He's never shown anything that might put him on a level higher than that! I can't just say, 'he's obviously a badass,' for no bloody reason. He needs to have actaually shown something impressive before that. And he hasn't shown anything so far (or rather, you havn't) that would change my mind about that!
You say Vaan is a push-over, but you don't explain why, you said that you don't see him doing anything impressive, so you are not taking in consideration his abilities such as the Quickenings, you don't take in consideration all the fights or anything in Final Fantasy XII. For me, Tidus swimming in a crystal ball isn't impressive either, you must know. Plus, that doesn't applies anything in a fight between him and Vaan.
Originally posted by Nephthys
Please repeat that in a way that I can understand, becuase I'm struggling with it at the moment.
The Quickening are abilities that Vaan can perform, and as far as I know they are powerful, far powerful than Tidus abilities. You are, for some reason, bringing game special effects and stuff, Vaan doesn't turn the reality a Fire realm or anything like that. The same goes for Squall (an example) that seeing his Blasting Zone animation, he can't do that, because he would be cutting the Earth in two or Zell running around the Earth in 3 seconds. Those are animations from the Gameplay. The fact is that Vaan can pretty much perform those abilities.
Originally posted by Nephthys
So what has Vaan done?
As an orphan, Vaan trained by himself all of his life, killing monsters in the sewers BEFORE the game starts, he was doing it for years (call them rats, but I'd rather say they are carnivore monsters the size of a dog) and also monsters from the desert, doing monsters hunting and risking his life for others, the Robin Hood of Rabanastre. He's also a member of the Clan Centurio, an elite group of hunters that gives their life to kill powerful monsters in different parts of the world. Later Vaan joins the group and he clearly clarifies that he's just following Ashe to find his own answers while running away from his brother's death, Vaan is automatically involved in a world's war. If you want to see him as a full protagonist, I recommend you play Revenant Wings when he's far stronger. 'nuff said I guess. Vaan is definitely not a push-over, whoever who keeps thinking that is just stubborn.
Oh, I forgot about Tidus, he's a Blitzball player who cries because he hates his dad and by force had to take a sword to fight (he survived his first battles because Auron was there, let's recall), he never showed any feats with swords nor defeating anyone (except if we're talking about Blitzball, when he just swims) He has not killed even a mosquito until the start of Final Fantasy X, we just see him complaining and getting jealous of his mother (he doesn't even wield a sword properly when battling, just look at his battle pose holding the blade in his ass) At the end of the game he became a good fighter though, later we see him in Dissidia (since Dissidia is canon) doing some crazy jumps and almost being toasted by Kuja's Magic, that's it. But by you logic he's stronger than Vaan because he's in Dissidia showing 'feats above' Vaan when he isn't even in the game, should I lol?
Oh right... You clearly don't get my point and you keep using Dissidia to prove Tidus is stronger than someone who isn't there. All the characters in Dissidia shows awesome feats: speed, strength, etc. If that's your whole argument about Tidus being stronger than Vaan, I'm afraid that is not enough. I'll repeat what I wrote in my previous post. Most of the fans keep arguing that Cloud is far stronger than Squall and other Final Fantasy characters just because of the things, feats, and moves he does in Advent Children, that has been proved wrong multiple times, but they keep insisting. If Cloud does all of that, doesn't mean the other Final Fantasy characters can't do it as well.
Err, what? You seem to have a serious problem with 'proof'. You see, you can say that 'just becuz day dibn't do stuffs on Cloudz lvl dozn't meen day kan't!' all you like and technically you are right. But it doesn't mean they can either. Unless they actually DO show that they can do that stuff, then they can't actually do it. I mean, Jesus Christ! This is basic, 2 is a higher number than 1, stuff here. It is not that hard to grasp and I feel less smart just by having to spell it out to you.
If Gabranth weren't in Dissidia, I wouldn't think he could perform all of those feats either, despite of this, he can, so Vaan and any Final Fantasy XII characters could,
there's nothing to suggest they can't, otherwise, prove it.
I don't have to prove that a person can't do something, YOU have to prove that they can. Hint: Saying 'Someone else can, so he MUST be able to!' 🤪 doesn't cut it.
No, no, that's the same. Vaan isn't there.
He doesn't need to be.
Vaan is nonexistent in Dissidia, so I assume you are comparing Dissidia Tidus to the Vaan from Final Fantasy XII. Why we don't compare both characters from their original games?
Becuase Dissidia happened no matter how much you stick your fingers in your ears and scream that it isn't fair. And Tidus displayed feats above Vaan in it no matter how much you continue to stick your fingers in your ears and say it isn't fair.
Besides, Vaan had his own spin-off. How well did he fare in that I wonder?
Tidus isn't the only one who can perform crazy jumps, so I don't see anything special about him. That may be look: "super-human" to YOU, but Tidus is just a normal human by Final Fantasy standards, he isn't super-human.
What do you mean by 'Final Fantasy standards'? Are you suggesting that everyone in Final Fantasy can do this stuff? That may be so. We can't prove that though. If you're saying that by that logic Vaan can clearly overcome his Spiderman-esque agility and greater strength (I'll explain later why he obviously has greater strength), then you have failed logic I'm afraid. Nothing Vaan has done suggests that.
The part that he can: "breath" under-water made me to laugh a bit. So Jecht is super-human? Wakka is super-human? All of those random and weak people playing Blitzball are super-humans? You need a reality check. Tidus CAN'T breath under-water, no one can breath under-water, that's a totally made up argument, they can hold their breath for very prolonged time, that's all.
Which by itself is an above human attribute. 😐
But forget about that, as you said it has nothing to do with fighting. I was merely saying that to show how ludicrious (sp?) your notion of him as a normal human is.
Tidus can't use Magic, in that case, Vaan can.
In his sphere grid he learns Haste. Thats at least one magical art he can use. Just not in canon. Just like Vaan can't use magic in canon either.
Tidus jumping out of water makes no sense in a fight against anyone, every FF character can perform crazy jumps, etc.
I'm confused with how you think 'One or two clearly exceptional individuals from each FF-verse have shown that they can perform crazy jumps' somehow means that 'every FF character' can. Maybe you are simply on another plain of existence where the rules of basic logic simply gave up and died before your galaxy-busting idiocy, but that just doesn't make much sense to me.
And for your information, being able to propell yourself that far out of a body of water using just your limbs would require AT LEAST meta-human strength. Why don't you go down to your pool and you try it. While your at it try doing some punches underwater and see how much slower you are. Tidus can cut things in half with his JRPG sword while fully submerged. Even being able to swing that thing under water would require ungodly strength, far, far above anything Vaan has displayed. Not to mention his other clearly meta-human strength feats like being able to jump that high or propel Zidane that fast with a simple kick. So Tidus doesn't even need to be a master swordsman. If Vaan blocks one blow he'll brake (sp?) his arms or something.
You are an stubborn one, don't you...? I could say Cloud is the most powerful character in the FF universe then, using your stupid logic (no offense) of course. Since he does amazing stuff in AC and the rest of the FF characters are nowhere close to that.
If he had shown that then you'd be correct. However, his feats are matched by several characters in and outside of Dissidia in gameplay and outside of it.
Who could imagine Zidane, Squall, Tidus crashing and destroying buildings with their weapons...
Cloud never destroyed buildings. As I recal he cut through several chuncks of rock as they fell on him, something all of those characters could concievibly do.
Oh my God... Read above...
I did. Ironically 'Oh my god' was my reaction as well. 🙂
But Seifer hasn't shown anything close of what Tidus 'supposedly' has shown...
Yes he has. I literally just mentioned it. 😐
Let's make this simple to understand... Tidus is just a beginner swordsman, he maybe an athlete or whatever you like, but that doesn't have relevance in a fight. Give a sword to a Football Player, it's the same.
Right, there are obviously no difference between Blitzball players and Football players. Thanks for that slice of enlightenment.
EXACTLY, but under FF standards he is NOT super-human, I'm glad you're finally understanding. The only physical feat you have from Tidus is that he plays Blitzball... Like saying that would help him in a fight against someone more experienced in BATTLE.
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What faulty logic? When Tidus became a Guardian he was more experienced than before. If I'm an amateur Football Player and later I become a novice, I would have more experience. Vaan being a thief and later becoming a Sky Pirate (being approved by other hundred people) shows he's more experienced somehow.
And this experience can somehow be quantified can it? A Skypirate will ALWAYS be a better fighter than a Blitzballer, right? By merely being a skypirate, Vaan will automatically be a better swordsman that Tidus, right.
No, becuase thats just dumb.
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When you see an ordinary human swordsman (i.e. Vaan) do a series of handsprings, leap into the air, do a triple somersault to build momentum, come out of the somersaults and raise his blade to diliver a perfectly timed overhead smash, you let me know. 😉
You say Vaan is a push-over, but you don't explain why, you said that you don't see him doing anything impressive, so you are not taking in consideration his abilities such as the Quickenings, you don't take in consideration all the fights or anything in Final Fantasy XII.
Becuase we don't know the circumstances of any of his fights or how they were fought. Did Vaan fight any of them? Did they run away until the opponent ran out of mana or stamina and then wailed on them. WE. DON'T. KNOW. We know that Vaan killed some rats at the start, but how? Did he run arund it they got tired first? Did he walk around on stilts and pelt them with rocks? We don't know. None of Vaan's fights a quantifiable becuase we simply don't know how he fought them, or even if he did.
And Vaan has to purchase his quickenings from the License board, so we don't know if he ever actually got them. So they can't be used here.
The Quickening are abilities that Vaan can perform, and as far as I know they are powerful, far powerful than Tidus abilities. You are, for some reason, bringing game special effects and stuff, Vaan doesn't turn the reality a Fire realm or anything like that. The same goes for Squall (an example) that seeing his Blasting Zone animation, he can't do that, because he would be cutting the Earth in two or Zell running around the Earth in 3 seconds. Those are animations from the Gameplay. The fact is that Vaan can pretty much perform those abilities.
Too bad it isn't a fact. 🙂
As an orphan, Vaan trained by himself all of his life, killing monsters in the sewers BEFORE the game starts, he was doing it for years (call them rats, but I'd rather say they are carnivore monsters the size of a dog)
They're dire rats and far smaller and less deadly than the monsters Tidus fights with Auron, the pirana's he fight alone (underwater), or the other monster he fights alone (in the temple at the start of the game).
He's also a member of the Clan Centurio, an elite group of hunters that gives their life to kill powerful monsters in different parts of the world.
In canon?
should I lol?
I think you should cry personally. Seriously, give up, you're not doing yourself any favours.