If they wanted him to be a lousy side character, they shouldn't have made it out like he's important. The game starts with him, and has him as the main character walking around towns. Why not have Ashe be the main character since she obviously was. She was the only one who was consistently important. Everyone else either was never important at all, or became important spontaneously and then just died off back into the background.
........We're off topic now.
Originally posted by wakkawakkawakka
Well let get back on with some feats of sorts. Tidus and co. killed an unkillable being that could vaporizes armies and halted the progression of civilization for about 1000 years. Vaan and co. beat a guy merged with a rebel occuria and disabled...ummm...a Death Star knockoff.Who wins?
Still a little hard to tell. Since both cases involve a team here, it is difficult to determine a single characters strength.
Since we can't know what Vaan can do, we can only turn to what we KNOW he can do. He has slight skill with a sword, and he kills rats in the sewers.
With that evidence supporting him... Tidus wins.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
So Tidus can cast magic? Why Vaan can't cast magic?Tidus is good with the sword? Vaan too.
Vaan cant cast magic because its up to the player to decide if he can or can't. We can only go on what's set in stone, not what is left up to the player.
It's the same with the sword. Maybe Vaan uses a sword, maybe not. Vaan is completely and utterly a player generated character. He is different for every person playing the game.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
If that's the case Tidus can't either because it's up to the player on what he learns on the Sphere Grid, I can make him to learn Ultima if I want. I'd go with his Overdrive.Vaan uses a sword, play Revenant Wings and you'll have your evidence.
Like I said, never played Revenant wings so if you want to use the Vaan from that one I'll just have to back out of this debate.
Tidus may be able to learn other peoples skills, but he does have skills that are his. The ones on his sphere grid are his own.
You don't need to play, Vaan's main weapon is a sword and it is logic to think that his default weapon in Final Fantasy XII was a sword as well, it is stated that he was slaying rats in the sewers, he was always using a sword. Don't take evey discussion as a debate, Tac, we're just talking.
In canon? That's the same question we have against the Quickenings, aren't we? I'd go with his Overdrive rather than his Magic in the Sphere Grid.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
You don't need to play, Vaan's main weapon is a sword and it is logic to think that his default weapon in Final Fantasy XII was a sword as well, it is stated that he was slaying rats in the sewers, he was always using a sword. Don't take evey discussion as a debate, Tac, we're just talking.
What do you mean? I'm just talking.
Vaan may have started out with a sword, but that's not enough to justify claiming that he is anything past a novice with it. He had to start with SOME weapon.
Anyway, I can't say one way or another about Revenant Wings.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
In canon? That's the same question we have against the Quickenings, aren't we? I'd go with his Overdrive rather than his Magic in the Sphere Grid.
No, it's not quite the same. Magic is a very real part of the FF universe. It's different than leaping ten stories into the air or kicking exploding balls because outside of battle we see that the characters can't actually do any of those things.
With the Quickenings, however, now that you mention it I suppose all they really are is one giant spell. Well, some of them anyway. I suppose it's not unreasonable to think they are just casting a large spell, though not all of them fit into this category.
Hmmm, maybe the quickenings can be allowed after all. I don't know, I'd have to think about it a bit more. I'll just leave it alone for now. In the end, though, I still don't think it matters in determining who wins this fight. Quickenings alone won't win it for Ashe.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Animations... Just animations.
Overdrive 'Swordplay' or whatever is called (I don't remember) are Tidus abilities. That's why I'd go with that rather than Magic from the Sphere Grid.
What are you talking about? You're not making sense anymore. Where you say "animations" I say "game mechanics." Same thing in this case.
Originally posted by MadMel
vaan is an unknown, due to how the player can customize him
if this were the starwars vs he'd be banned from all fights 😛
Thank you! That's what I've been saying this whole time.
Originally posted by TacDavey
What are you talking about? You're not making sense anymore. Where you say "animations" I say "game mechanics." Same thing in this case.
Huh? I said I'd go with his Swordplay abilities rather than count with the Sphere Grid, what are you talking about? Sphere Grid is a game mechanic and you can learn whatever you want there. I was replying to one of your quotes. We're off topic badly here.
Originally posted by GrieverSquall
Huh? I said I'd go with his Swordplay abilities rather than count with the Sphere Grid, what are you talking about? Sphere Grid is a game mechanic and you can learn whatever you want there. I was replying to one of your quotes. We're off topic badly here.
Well, lets forget that part. back to the main topic, I still say it's impossible to tell who would win in this fight.