Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

Originally posted by Burning thought
But you do win easily, it would imo make no difference since either way they cannot fight back.

But anyway, assuming he can stop time for 12/13 seconds or w/e it is. It took about a second or so to stop time in the first place. He has to react to Kain and get in range (assuming Kain did not teleport close) and then strike. This would all be slowed by Kains aura, so Dantes reaction would not be touched (he can react to bullets) but him turning around to attack may be slowed, the time it takes for him to QS would become about 3/4 seconds instead of 1. All too long, and assuming Dante can slice through Kains repel shield in one or two blows he would still have to stop Kain from casting the spell which is an instant cast.

nothing stopping Kain from impaling Dante in the couple seconds he has considreing he can impale someone in 200 milliseconds.

They actually can fight back. Many DMC players wont use it as it uses up DT, oh and its not only for fights as objects (spinning blades and lasers) can be slowed to get past.

12/13 O.o? Its only at most a split second to activate and theres no known range. Kain can make opponents 60% slower, Dantes best speed is so much faster then those opponents speed that if wont actually be that slow. Time stop + Dantes strength and speed would end Kain.

Except for his speed and reactions. And time powers.

Ive already said; Lifting strength does not equal punch strength. Raz's punch is not a 100ton force.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1) The forces [b]we do see however are all physical. We see the castle exploding which is physical, it must have been hit by some physical forces.

2) Tiz being argued with Screampaste. but being struck by Raziel feat.

3) ok, so "ganon did it" but we dont know how?

4) honestly do you knows what that means? [/B]

1) So suddenly magic powers cannot blow up a castle. Nice.

2) Raziel needs strength feats. I don't think anything in Kain's universe has any actual feats. Just statements which you cling to like a starving child to Pamela Anderson's boob.

3) We know he was in the castle, its impossible for him to see where all of them would be. It is also impossible for him to have known where Volvagia was without finding it, unless you're suggesting that Ganon can see the unseen with his powers and even TK things from basically anywhere he wants.

4) It means that you haven't come up with anything yet and you need a few minutes before you can post again.

Originally posted by BloodRain
They actually can fight back. Many DMC players wont use it as it uses up DT, oh and its not only for fights as objects (spinning blades and lasers) can be slowed to get past.

12/13 O.o? Its only at most a split second to activate and theres no known range. Kain can make opponents 60% slower, Dantes best speed is so much faster then those opponents speed that if wont actually be that slow. Time stop + Dantes strength and speed would end Kain.

Except for his speed and reactions. And time powers.

Ive already said; Punching strength does not equal punch strength. Raz's punch is not a 100ton force.

yeh, QS lasts about that long. It takes 1 second to activate, it would multiply this to about 2/3 seconds, too long.

wut? punching strength is not punch strength? confused....

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1) So suddenly magic powers cannot blow up a castle. Nice.

2) Raziel needs strength feats. I don't think anything in Kain's universe has any actual feats. Just statements which you cling to like a starving child to Pamela Anderson's boob.

3) We know he was in the castle, its impossible for him to see where all of them would be. It is also impossible for him to have known where Volvagia was without finding it, unless you're suggesting that Ganon can see the unseen with his powers and even TK things from basically anywhere he wants.

4) It means that you haven't come up with anything yet and you need a few minutes before you can post again.

1) not without making some kind of physical force.

2) yes it does. Statements can be better than feats depending on where their from.

3) So a lot of entities were in this volcano then? its not like everyone is getting cooked by being in here?

4) nah

Raziel's strength is 184215.2012 joules.

Compare this to Link/Ganon: 4535923699.9975
.........184 215.2012
4 535 923 699.9975
Owch.

Edit, let's call that 200 000 joules for Kain, just to be nice.
That's still insignificant next to 4 000 000 000. Infact, it's twenty thousand times less.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yeh, QS lasts about that long. It takes 1 second to activate, it would multiply this to about 2/3 seconds, too long.

wut? punching strength is not punch strength? confused....

Woops, edited.
Its actually instant. If you watch the gameplay you can see it stops the instant you activate it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
1) not without making some kind of physical force.

2) yes it does. Statements can be better than feats depending on where their from.

3) So a lot of entities were in this volcano then? its not like everyone is getting cooked by being in here?

4) nah

1) Magic needs physical force to damage something physical now? What does it need to damage something ethereal then? A pinch of salt or the grace of God?

2) They're.*

3) Gorons are made of stone, Link had his Goron tunic. Ganon is just Ganon.

4) Quit playing silly-bugger?

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Raziel's strength is 184215.2012 joules.

Compare this to Link/Ganon: 4535923699.9975
.........184 215.2012
4 535 923 699.9975
Owch.

No, based on what exactly? based on 45 tonnes? 100 tonnes?

You cant ignore the fact he can push 100 tonnes with ease, making his strength at least in pushing >>>100 tonnes.

And those numbers for Link/Ganon are false and based on broken physics or toonforce. According to a dude on that Smashbros forum he pointed out a real life solid granite obelisk that is wider and taller than the one Link lifts. It weighs 120 tonnes.

And those numbers for Link/Ganon are false and based on broken physics or toonforce. According to a dude on that Smashbros forum he pointed out a real life solid granite obelisk that is wider and taller than the one Link lifts. It weighs 120 tonnes.

Raziel's strength:

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
K, using some rough numbers:

This took about 0.7-0.8 of a second, by my admittedly fallible human ability to measure it. You gave a mass of 50 tons.

The block moved approx 1 meter. So, 1 meter in 0.7 seconds = 10 meters in 7 seconds. 10/7 = 1.42847 meters per second. so.. in our example he'd be unable to lift it over his head, but let's use the example where he threw a block up higher (1:09), and call it 2 meters. (hard to tell, the camera is behind Raziel.) This raises it to 2.85 meters per second. So, he'd be able to lift /about/ that much weight overhead.

Let's go ahead anyway:

If K = 1/2mv^2 then K = 184215.2012... joules. (lulz, 2012!)

Now, we know his joule output, K, so we can do...

m=2K/v^2

K = 184215.20126615
and v = 3 (what we decided a character coudl lift over their head.)

so m =:

40936.711392478 kilogram
90250.000000001 pound
40.936711392478 ton metric
45.125000000001 ton short

For Raziel to lift.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Woops, edited.
Its actually instant. If you watch the gameplay you can see it stops the instant you activate it.

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0:44--0:45

Almost exactly a second, maybe more because I cannot count in milliseconds.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Negative. It was pencil thin, and that was shown.

Raziel's strength:

Yes I thought so, your basing your math on one block, he pushes two on top of eachother. Your also counting this as his maximum strength, he does all this easily and his intensions are to move the blocks one area to another, not to use his full strength like he does on Kain.

Yes I thought so, your basing your math on one block, he pushes two on top of eachother.

He could push 90 tons at 2.1242645786248 meters per second. This is faster than he actually pushes the blocks in game, so be glad I was generous.

Raziel's strength is 184215.2012 joules.

Compare this to Link/Ganon: 4535923699.9975
.........184 215.2012
4 535 923 699.9975
Owch.

Edit, let's call that 200 000 joules for Kain, just to be nice.
That's still insignificant next to 4 000 000 000. Infact, it's twenty thousand times less.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pushing is much easier. It took all of his effort to support the one block and toss it a short distance. This is his strength.

He could push 90 tons at 2.1242645786248 meters per second. This is faster than he actually pushes the blocks in game, so be glad I was generous.

I disagree, I dont think it took all his effort at all 🙄 funny how Link is not using all his effort to lift the pillar but Raziel with no actual reason to belive its his max (he can push it lightly and send it moving in the same vid) is apprently Raziels top strength? bias much ftl....

And pushing may be easier, so is punching without resistance this does not mean you lose strength. If the worlds strongest man can just about pull along a truck, putting another truck on top of that one would not be much harder? obviously not 🙄 your ignoring overall strength.

I disagree, I dont think it took all his effort at all funny how Link is not using all his effort to lift the pillar but Raziel with no actual reason to belive its his max (he can push it lightly and send it moving in the same vid) is apprently Raziels top strength? bias much ftl....

You claim he can push two blocks with ease. He pushes them slowly compared to his apparent ability to push them over 2 meters a second. There you have it, he's not pushing them as fast as he can. He visibly struggled with the blocks he tosses a short distance.. This is Raziel's top strength.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Link threw the pillar, it's his beats feat, we use that. Raziel threw the pillar, it's his best feat, we use that. I see no bias. Here's where it gets better.

You claim he can push two blocks with ease. He pushes them slowly compared to his apparent ability to push them over 2 meters a second. There you have it, he's not pushing them as fast as he can. He visibly struggled with the blocks he tosses a short distance.. This is Raziel's top strength.

Raziel did not throw it, or use half his strength though. A mere prod sends 45 tonnes along so trying to claim 45 tonnes is his best is fallacious. Just like how Link struggling with lifting it makes it impossible for him to physically throw it without breaking physics.

He pushes them at the same speed he pushes one block, he is still easily conquering their weight and their resistance. Raziel does not "toss" them, he pushes them where he wants them. And show me where Raziel is visibily struggling?

How is that struggling? hes hardly grunting with tension. Hes just taking the weight on his chest and legs and pushing it. He does that quickly as well, with a slight of hand rather than an actual push.

0:44--0:45
Almost exactly a second, maybe more because I cannot count in milliseconds.

First you have to count from when the 'white grain eyes' come up (making it 0.3secs) then look at the vid right before it goes all white flash, the vid is slowed down. Faster then 0.3 secs. Pause right before the eye scene and you can see that the rocks have stopped, then backtracks to the whole scene.

Cause I know I bend backwards when I'm having an easy time moving things!

Originally posted by BloodRain
First you have to count from when the 'white grain eyes' come up (making it 0.3secs) then look at the vid right before it goes all white flash, the vid is slowed down. Faster then 0.3 secs. Pause right before the eye scene and you can see that the rocks have stopped, then backtracks to the whole scene.

I start from when the white flashes happen (QS effect) to when the rocks stop right over his face. Here:

At least a second passes, maybe 1.3 seconds.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Cause I know I bend backwards when I'm having an easy time moving things!

He is getting under the block, therefore he has to bend backwards. hes not just lifting it with his arms is he...no....

His waist is also tiny so theres no wonder he is bending back no matter the strength but thats not strugging in any sense. I tell you what though, I certainly grunt with tension when I lift something heavy, like a large box full of tools, I dont bend backwards but I certainly grunt as I lift it.

But anyone, 100+ ton raziel+attacking Kain= Kain higher durability than anyone present.

But anyone, 100+ ton raziel+attacking Kain= Kain higher durability than anyone present.

No.

Raziel's strength is 184215.2012 joules.

Compare this to Link/Ganon: 4535923699.9975
.........184 215.2012
4 535 923 699.9975
Owch.

Edit, let's call that 200 000 joules for Kain, just to be nice.
That's still insignificant next to 4 000 000 000. Infact, it's twenty thousand times less.

Consider these two beat the crap out of each other in cutscenes.