''Disappear in the blink of an eye, then reappear above the enemy ready to strike.'' even if its not teleporting this speed just adds to his strengths.
Time slow is the only a gameplay mechanic, boring game if it just stopped. It also was in his control as it stopped right before hitting him and fell when he left. Are you saying he can freeze all but living things?
Originally posted by Burning thought
No not really, he was a disembodied head. Sorry chuck.Ganon has not be canonically struck with any "ridiculously powerful magic" 🙄 Nor the kind that would suck the blood out of him, leaving him a bloodied mess and giving Kain his powers, or those that rip his soul out, hijack his mind etc
I would like to see Ganondorf taking some extreme heat as well, Kain could just "think" using immolate and Ganon would explode with fire from within.
But I dont know why Ganondorf is being debated, he is below Dante and maybe even link on the "threat" meter for Team 2.
1) I fail to see how this helps you. That means he took a castle busting attack with only his face.
2) Midna had all four Fused Shadows when she blew up this castle. This is the magic that was so powerful the goddesses had to intervene and the wielders of it were banished to another dimension.
3) Happened. Ganon was inside an active Volcano in OoT.
4) Lol'd.
Originally posted by BloodRain
''Disappear in the blink of an eye, then reappear above the enemy ready to strike.'' even if its not teleporting this speed just adds to his strengths.Time slow is the only a gameplay mechanic, boring game if it just stopped. It also was in his control as it stopped right before hitting him and fell when he left. Are you saying he can freeze all but living things?
Still not a teleport. It may seem that way over short distances though yes.
I am saying freezing a living entity that moves of its own will is different to freezing an inanimate object. The power within his fiction may work differently, I mean why else would entities only be slowed rather than frozen? plenty of games actually allow you to completly freeze time...hell the speed it reduces opponents to is "unfair" enough, that they may as well be frozen.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1) I fail to see how this helps you. That means he took a castle busting attack with only his face.2) Midna had all four Fused Shadows when she blew up this castle. This is the magic that was so powerful the goddesses had to intervene and the wielders of it were banished to another dimension.
3) Happened. Ganon was inside an active Volcano in OoT.
4) Lol'd.
1) nah he "apprently" (we never see it happen) took a castle breaking attack on a spiritual mass with his physical body on the ground defeated.
2) So? a castle blew up and this is impressive? while Ganon was a head no less....Kain in his weakest form stepped through into an alternate reality created by 3 sorcerors who were transforming all elements under the field. Nothing happened to him.
3) Show
4) Me toozz lolllzzzlzlzlz
Ganon has not be canonically struck with any "ridiculously powerful magic" Nor the kind that would suck the blood out of him, leaving him a bloodied mess and giving Kain his powers, or those that rip his soul out, hijack his mind etc
Now, factor in that Kain cannot get blood from anyone in this thread due to their durability being too high, nor can he get Ganon's power from his blood (they come from the triforce. Kain only gets power from the blood of other vampires.) anyway... Yeah. You're boned.
It's already been shown his soul powers are well above Kain's.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Lie. His own powerful magic has been bounced back at him many times. This magic can destroy an island. Light arrows, a source of intense heat, and smite evil +9001, don't kill him. The master sword in his face from Link, who, whether you like it or not, is physicly stronger than anyone on team two, not to mention the sword itself's own magic power. These all put Ganon outside of Kain's ability to harm him.Now, factor in that Kain cannot get blood from anyone in this thread due to their durability being too high, nor can he get Ganon's power from his blood (they come from the triforce. Kain only gets power from the blood of other vampires.) anyway... Yeah. You're boned.
It's already been shown his soul powers are well above Kain's.
Lets all wank our characters, oh lookz Kain can bust dimensions and unvierses!...
W8 a mo, lets get back to the real world where Ganon has not canonically had anything powerful strike him. yeh right, super smiting arrows are really incredible..... I am sorry, but whether you like it or not, strength is irrelevant because piercing power is divided immensly, someone who can take 1000 tonnes blunt takes only 80 tonnes piercing according to Bloodrains calculation. Sorry but Ganon is pierced with ease, he did not stand with no damage done to him by any of these attacks and Kains powers transend physical barriers and assault Ganons inner body.
Counter my argument, dont prattle on with your rubbish fanfictions. Kain drains Ganons blood and gains all his innate powers, even without the triforce you claim he had vast powers, you always wank on about how he did "thiz and that without his triforze!". Not true, actually go and find out about a game before you say something so specific and so wrong, he takes powers from a Hylden, the opposite to a vampire (closer to demon). Nah, your fanfictions are.
Nah, its been shown he can use his own soul for various things, he cant actually defend himself against soul powers at all though. Your wanking again, clean up, your keyboard, yourself and the froth from your red little face and cool off. Then get some real counters up plz bro?
Originally posted by Burning thought
1) nah he "apprently" (we never see it happen) took a castle breaking attack on a spiritual mass with his physical body on the ground defeated.2) So? a castle blew up and this is impressive? while Ganon was a head no less....Kain in his weakest form stepped through into an alternate reality created by 3 sorcerors who were transforming all elements under the field. Nothing happened to him.
3) Show
4) Me toozz lolllzzzlzlzlz
1) Yeah, the last thing we saw was Midna thrusting this spear at Ganon and him smiling. She obviously stopped mid strike and the castle was a victim of spontaneous explosion. Then after that she took off her Fused Shadow hat, Ganon pulled a body out of his non-existent ass, took the hat, pulled a horse out of his ass, and left Midna there in the castle rubble while he goes to crush the hat in front of Link and engage in the final battle.
2) Well, yeah. How many people do you know who can blow up a castle? And again, Ganon being a head does not help you at all. How does that help Kain's durability?
3) You'll have to take my word on the story, Ganon imprisoned the Gorons in cages all throughout the Volcano's dungeon so that Volvagia could eat them.
4) You're so childish.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1) Yeah, the last thing we saw was Midna thrusting this spear at Ganon and him smiling. She obviously stopped mid strike and the castle was a victim of spontaneous explosion. Then after that she took off her Fused Shadow hat, Ganon pulled a body out of his non-existent ass, took the hat, pulled a horse out of his ass, and left Midna there in the castle rubble while he goes to crush the hat in front of Link and engage in the final battle.2) Well, yeah. How many people do you know who can blow up a castle? And again, Ganon being a head does not help you at all. How does that help Kain's durability?
3) You'll have to take my word on the story, Ganon imprisoned the Gorons in cages all throughout the Volcano's dungeon so that Volvagia could eat them.
4) You're so childish.
1) Nah, we could also assume he took no damage from the attack since he was just a floating spirit head and her attack was physical, re-entered his body, killed her and then joined the final battle. Another assumption is her power was a slow little bolt, he killed her before it landed and teleported before the explosion harmed him. We can make assumptions all day, we just dont know.
2) Nah, Kains durability is beyond anyone in this thread, I am talking about magical resistances.
3) Ok, assuming I belived you that still does not mean he took much heat, how do we even know he put the Gorons in there himself? he could have used magic, sorcery, lackies etc.
4) lol 🙄 pot calling the kettel black, although I admit I was coming down to your level.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Still not a teleport. It may seem that way over short distances though yes.I am saying freezing a living entity that moves of its own will is different to freezing an inanimate object. The power within his fiction may work differently, I mean why else would entities only be slowed rather than frozen? plenty of games actually allow you to completly freeze time...hell the speed it reduces opponents to is "unfair" enough, that they may as well be frozen.
Debatable whether it is or isnt seeing as Vergil could in 3 and Dante in 4 is a multitude more powerful. Who cares, his speed is fast enough to be teleporting so this aids him in his moves. Eg fastest slash here.
Not really, time powers dont have select choices. In gameplay they move at like 1/10th the speed and not stopped so the played wont win too easy, makes it more fair as it drains the DT gauge and doesnt allow you to use other styles. 'sides the cutscene shows the proof.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Debatable whether it is or isnt seeing as Vergil could in 3 and Dante in 4 is a multitude more powerful. Who cares, his speed is fast enough to be teleporting so this aids him in his moves. Eg fastest slash here.Not really, time powers dont have select choices. In gameplay they move at like 1/10th the speed and not stopped so the played wont win too easy, makes it more fair as it drains the DT gauge and doesnt allow you to use other styles. 'sides the cutscene shows the proof.
But you do win easily, it would imo make no difference since either way they cannot fight back.
But anyway, assuming he can stop time for 12/13 seconds or w/e it is. It took about a second or so to stop time in the first place. He has to react to Kain and get in range (assuming Kain did not teleport close) and then strike. This would all be slowed by Kains aura, so Dantes reaction would not be touched (he can react to bullets) but him turning around to attack may be slowed, the time it takes for him to QS would become about 3/4 seconds instead of 1. All too long, and assuming Dante can slice through Kains repel shield in one or two blows he would still have to stop Kain from casting the spell which is an instant cast.
nothing stopping Kain from impaling Dante in the couple seconds he has considreing he can impale someone in 200 milliseconds.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
No durability feats of any note.They're related. They diverged, still similar.
You're ignoring evidence and feats as usual.
Using your own math I think we will find Kain is far more durable than anyone here. You even said yourself my math was correct so dont try and lie plz....
Nah completly different spiecies, he takes the powers of anyones blood he eats.
No, I am taking into account all real evidence, which is why I can quite happily say Ganon has very little durability feats.
Using your own math I think we will find Kain is far more durable than anyone here. You even said yourself my math was correct so dont try and lie plz....Pardon me, but the greatest strength that's ever gone about striking Kain was from Raziel's 45 tonner self. ..And he managed to rip Kain's heart out. Everyone in this thread has strength above that level.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pardon me, but the greatest strength that's ever gone about striking Kain was from Raziel's 45 tonner self. ..And he managed to rip Kain's heart out. Everyone in this thread has strength above that level.
Raziel was 100 ton because he moved 2 45 ton blocks, his strength was in excess of 100 tonnes as he could move these blocks on their own or together without difficulty. Combine that with the PIS of blows that kain took in an actual video cutscene (not a gameplay cutscene) and Kain stands unharmed against 100>> tonnes at punching velocity. Probably far more than that considering Raziel had some distance and used his full strength in anger, not pushing about obstacles.
Raziel was 100 ton because he moved 2 45 ton blocks, his strength was in excess of 100 tonnes as he could move these blocks on their own or together without difficulty. Combine that with the PIS of blows that kain took in an actual video cutscene (not a gameplay cutscene) and Kain stands unharmed against 100>> tonnes at punching velocity. Probably far more than that considering Raziel had some distance and used his full strength in anger, not pushing about obstacles.
Based on 45 tonnes of weight ,not 100 tonnes which he pushed around. What relevence is that to the fact he can easily move around twice that through pushing? his strength is obviously in excess of 45 if he can push 100, his strength does not stop at lifting. He did not lift Kain did he, he threw a punc at him, similiar to what he did to the blocks when pushing only with more velocity. 100> tonnes.
Originally posted by Burning thought
1) Nah, we could also assume he took no damage from the attack since he was just a floating spirit head and her attack was physical, re-entered his body, killed her and then joined the final battle. Another assumption is her power was a slow little bolt, he killed her before it landed and teleported before the explosion harmed him. We can make assumptions all day, we just dont know.2) Nah, Kains durability is beyond anyone in this thread, I am talking about magical resistances.
3) Ok, assuming I belived you that still does not mean he took much heat, how do we even know he put the Gorons in there himself? he could have used magic, sorcery, lackies etc.
4) lol 🙄 pot calling the kettel black, although I admit I was coming down to your level.
1) Let's look at the facts.
- Midna teleported Link and Zelda out of the castle to spare them from the insane castle-busting force she was about to unleash on Ganon's non-existent ass.
- Everything up to this point has suggested that Midna is going to try and take down Ganon herself (stupid *****).
- We see Midna thrust the spear right before the camera cuts to the castle blowing up.
- The Fused Shadows are magic power within objects.
- The entire Fused Shadow creature appears to be made of energy.
- Ganon is, even you pointed this out, a floating head that appears to be ethereal.
So how can you suggest that a physical attack will come from this? Magic power, energy creature, an ethereal Ganon. I agree that Midna is stupid, but not that stupid.
2) And what feats does Kain have to support this?
3) The head Goron, I forget his name, says himself that Ganon did it. He also resurrected Volvagia at this point. Neat, huh?
4) Quit playing silly-bugger.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
1) Let's look at the facts.
- Midna teleported Link and Zelda out of the castle to spare them from the insane castle-busting force she was about to unleash on Ganon's non-existent ass.
- Everything up to this point has suggested that Midna is going to try and take down Ganon herself (stupid *****).
- We see Midna thrust the spear right before the camera cuts to the castle blowing up.
- The Fused Shadows are magic power within objects.
- The entire Fused Shadow creature appears to be made of energy.
- Ganon is, even you pointed this out, a floating head that appears to be ethereal.So how can you suggest that a physical attack will come from this? Magic power, energy creature, an ethereal Ganon. I agree that Midna is stupid, but not that stupid.
2) And what feats does Kain have to support this?
3) The head Goron, I forget his name, says himself that Ganon did it. He also resurrected Volvagia at this point. Neat, huh?
4) Quit playing silly-bugger.
1) The forces we do see however are all physical. We see the castle exploding which is physical, it must have been hit by some physical forces.
2) Tiz being argued with Screampaste. but being struck by Raziel feat.
3) ok, so "ganon did it" but we dont know how?
4) honestly do you knows what that means?
Based on 45 tonnes of weight ,not 100 tonnes which he pushed around. What relevence is that to the fact he can easily move around twice that through pushing? his strength is obviously in excess of 45 if he can push 100, his strength does not stop at lifting. He did not lift Kain did he, he threw a punc at him, similiar to what he did to the blocks when pushing only with more velocity. 100> tonnes.Pushing and dragging are much easier than lifting, ans we've always measured strength as lifting power. mariofacepalm Fine I'll get you the number in joules to show you his "real" strength.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Pushing and dragging are much easier than lifting, ans we've always measured strength as lifting power. mariofacepalm
So? you still have to be able to conquer the weight of an object to move it through pushihg. I coud never push a fat square block that weighs 45 tonnes across the ground and neither could you. Hell even cars/trucks with wheels can be near impossible to pull/push.
The extra strength he gains from pushing two blocks on top of eachother easily, or his slight pushes that send 45 tonnes along cannot be ignored.