Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

True Dante would most likely fight Bay, LK seems more like a LoZ opponent. Not sure about the army distracting him. Sure he wont fully notice him but if he's surrounded by zombies he'll be on a higher alert. (from things trying to nibble him from behind)
Alastor custscene, five slashes in 2 miliseconds >__> so not to get into numbers ill just say yeah, hes fast enough. Can also use QS while he's blocking. Shields are a bugger...

Kain kamikaze? Harsh. Not so much a waste as he can go on to attack everyone else during that time. Only if kingy is still alive by then. Link and two weapons made t take down entities like him.

Btw can Ganondorf make armies too?

Originally posted by BloodRain
True Dante would most likely fight Bay, LK seems more like a LoZ opponent. Not sure about the army distracting him. Sure he wont fully notice him but if he's surrounded by zombies he'll be on a higher alert. (from things trying to nibble him from behind)
Alastor custscene, five slashes in 2 miliseconds >__> so not to get into numbers ill just say yeah, hes fast enough. Can also use QS while he's blocking. Shields are a bugger...

Kain kamikaze? Harsh. Not so much a waste as he can go on to attack everyone else during that time. Only if kingy is still alive by then. Link and two weapons made t take down entities like him.

Btw can Ganondorf make armies too?

mm nibble him from behind.

lol, why not? he could take down a good few, at the cost of his life he could get off a blood shower and kill most of them if not all. If he gets that he would get the powers of all around him so even if Dante impales/slashes him he would have Dantes speed and regeneration. his aura over Team 1 slowing them down would mess them up as well, would give Bayonetta and the LK all the time they need.

I dont know, the Link team claim hes a necromancer.

Wohhold up, Kain cant take their abilities. Only vampire blood gives him additional powers as certain enemies blood can be poisonous to him. That plan could work only if all four are near Kain at the time, mes thinks not.

But he's an evil king, sword of evils bane should work nicely.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Wohhold up, Kain cant take their abilities. Only vampire blood gives him additional powers as certain enemies blood can be poisonous to him. That plan could work only if all four are near Kain at the time, mes thinks not.

But he's an evil king, sword of evils bane should work nicely.

Yeh. False, Witch seer was the opposite, she was a Hylden. The only blood thats poisionous is people with poisonous blood, none of these have.

Chances of them being all miles apart is not likely, assuming they start together as teams, Kain teleporting from the beginning would makes sure they have not split up (splitting up being a silly thing to do because if Team 2 stays together they can trounce them one at a time).

Who? and evils bane is a no limit fallacy, we dont know how much more effective it is against evil than a regular sword, just that it is.

'The Dark Gift is a supernatural power or ability gifted only to Vampires.' -wiki (blah) Kain takes the opponents dark gift, that no one here has.

Not miles but out of Kains time range. Dante and Kratos fight in a way that requires space not to hit each other. Same as Bay and War. They all CAN fight side by side but most likely wont.

.... maybe a LoZ fan can get a better shot at this. The MS was made to smite evil and is a stronger then normal sword.

Originally posted by BloodRain
'The Dark Gift is a supernatural power or ability gifted only to Vampires.' -wiki (blah) Kain takes the opponents dark gift, that no one here has.

Not miles but out of Kains time range. Dante and Kratos fight in a way that requires space not to hit each other. Same as Bay and War. They all CAN fight side by side but most likely wont.

.... maybe a LoZ fan can get a better shot at this. The MS was made to smite evil and is a stronger then normal sword.

no thats not true, as i said the Hylden witch (Hylden being pretty much a demon, the opposite race to vampires) also gave Kain her power when he drank her blood. Dark gifts were powers only vampires have, but that does not mean thats all kain attains from drinking blood, as shown by the Hylden witch. Or he could gain their power through their souls in his sword. Ofc if he impaled and took Dantes soul, blasting him into piecies kain would not gain any of Dantes physical speed/strength or such but perhaps his DT or QS.

The range is fairly good, they would still have to be pretty wide apart, from the beginning this is not likely, and when they fight their going tobe pretty close. Its unlikely each couple of fighters are going to have their own huge space as if they both planned it from the start.

stronger? sure, evils bane? sure, but actual feats to determine the difference? few. It slices just like any sword.

Well its listed as Dark gift for her powers. Cant day for the others but Kain can only take his DT, QS or regen if he's a demon as you need demonic energy for them to work.

20ft radius iirc. Maybe when they're starting a mile away from team 2 but when they fight they wont. Kratos has chainblades, Dante zips around like mad, and one wants to be near War when he gets going. They have a huge area to cover, some will get to the others first, some wont move much... pretty spread out for the most.

Think War has the best chance for team 2.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Well its listed as Dark gift for her powers. Cant day for the others but Kain can only take his DT, QS or regen if he's a demon as you need demonic energy for them to work.

20ft radius iirc. Maybe when they're starting a mile away from team 2 but when they fight they wont. Kratos has chainblades, Dante zips around like mad, and one wants to be near War when he gets going. They have a huge area to cover, some will get to the others first, some wont move much... pretty spread out for the most.

Think War has the best chance for team 2.

Where does it say you need demonic energy for regen? also a lot of powers the reaver has stolen needed other power sources, such as when Raziel absorbs the elements from the ghoss of the circle guardians. They used magic for their powers but Raziel does not have that in his Reaver. Hell Raziel was never a Sorceror unlike Kain. Yet the reaver was able to replicate their powers after taking their souls, chances are Kain will do the same, he will gain devil energy as well or more likely, his version will not need such energy.

Well my plan/tactic for Kain was when they start off, during the actual fight, if someone moves around the tactic may change slightly. Either way though these are the best situations for these characters, chances are their opponents will not give them the space they need, others may get closer etc

Best chance of what?

'cos only demons can regenerate? Shown in DMC3 when his regen increases when he gets better demon control and any DT mode increases regen. Have to be part demon. Like how i dont see Kain going DT.
Being the fastest overall its more believable Dante will be getting the first hits in. And im questioning the Soul reavers soul drain power in that it would take more then one hit, or work on weakened enemies.

Overall War may be at the top (if hes as good as im thinking he is)

Note: The Soul Reavers only around 127cm? o,o

Originally posted by BloodRain
'cos only demons can regenerate? Shown in DMC3 when his regen increases when he gets better demon control and any DT mode increases regen. Have to be part demon. Like how i dont see Kain going DT.
Being the fastest overall its more believable Dante will be getting the first hits in. And im questioning the Soul reavers soul drain power in that it would take more then one hit, or work on weakened enemies.

Overall War may be at the top (if hes as good as im thinking he is)

Note: The Soul Reavers only around 127cm? o,o

A lot of entities have "specific" powers, only Sebastion could attack as quick out of the vampires in Bo2, once Kain took his power, so could Kain, Marcus and his mind powers, Hylden Seer and her TK abilities etc. I dont see why this would not be the same. Kain has drained powers through blood that required innate mental/physical efficency that he did not have before draining them. Raziel who has no power over magic took powers and could use them through his reaver without needing the requirements.

Not really, Kain has possible surprise, Kains attack is incredible quick itself and aided by his supernatural teleport, Dante may be quick buts hes not going to be moving fast under "slow time", not quick enough to counter Kains strike which chances are he may not even see coming. Gameplay mechanics have either shown the Soul reaver as a 1 hit weapon or a weapon you use after you have weakened your enemy, in canon Kain claims it takes the soul of the target "on strike". Its more logical that way because how "weak" or "strong" your enemy is does not help them if they cannot survive the reavers power or have no major soul defence.

Have you played the game? War is not that impressive from what I have seen so far, hes just a bigger Kratos with less imrpessive strength feats.

not sure about that, theres no canon figuire in-game how long it is so we can onyl deduce from the fact its prob just a foot shorter than Kain. You baseing this on some tin replica or an actual in-game figuire? its not a long blade, not as long as other swords.

not sure about that, theres no canon figuire in-game how long it is so we can onyl deduce from the fact its prob just a foot shorter than Kain. You baseing this on some tin replica or an actual in-game figuire? its not a long blade, not as long as other swords. [/B][/QUOTE]

But they're still dark gifts not species limited abilities. Thats like Dante extracting a weapon from any demon on KMC.

Kains only fast move is that teleport attack. Alastor cutscene; Five slashes in a few miliseconds. Even with time slowed by 60% its still fast enough.
So has it been shown taking a soul in one hit, mainly on a strong enemy?

Well, no. Tis why i said 'may' and 'think'. From what Maester yoda said War has high strength and defence, great transformed state and some magical powers and weapons.

Wikia Soul Reaver. Its 4/5 Kains height. And if you havnt guessed ive been asked to look into Kain/Raz and Links height ^_^;

Yeh, and links heavy shoes that slow him down are made of Iron thin enough iron to fit on his feet yet heavy enough to weigh him down, his strength means little here. Also we dont know the weight of that Goron, it could be made of a soft stone and be hollow since its a living entity.

Sure looks iron to me. Maybe if you'd played a Zelda game you'd be more aware.

Certainly /sounds/ like iron.

The iron boots: You've claimed they make him 5x heavier. Know what can't do that? Iron can't.

Thought it was 6-7x, and arnt they magic like how the golden gauntlets arnt just gold plates?

Thought it was 6-7x, and arnt they magic like how the golden gauntlets arnt just gold plates?

They are indeed magic though.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We don't know how much heavier they make him, BT's number of 5x comes from a gameplay mechanic.

They are indeed magic though.

Well, if we are linking the feats together, that means that the same legs that were strong enough to lift the 1000+ ton pillar are unable to run in those boots. THAT'S how heavy they are.

Well, if we are linking the feats together, that means that the same legs that were strong enough to lift the 1000+ ton pillar are unable to run in those boots. THAT'S how heavy they are.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Actually, in cutscenes, he can. xD

Lol! True, true.

Also, Link is teh awesomer than all of our mommies combined!

Link worries me... Dante and Links games were mommy and daddy to make Kratos'. Link and Kratos went on to make War...

Link and Kratos have incest issues >...>

"WHO'S YOUR DADDY, KRATOS!?"

Originally posted by BloodRain

But they're still dark gifts not species limited abilities. Thats like Dante extracting a weapon from any demon on KMC.

Kains only fast move is that teleport attack. Alastor cutscene; Five slashes in a few miliseconds. Even with time slowed by 60% its still fast enough.
So has it been shown taking a soul in one hit, mainly on a strong enemy?

Well, no. Tis why i said 'may' and 'think'. From what Maester yoda said War has high strength and defence, great transformed state and some magical powers and weapons.

Wikia Soul Reaver. Its 4/5 Kains height. And if you havnt guessed ive been asked to look into Kain/Raz and Links height ^_^;

Anything Kain gains is a Dark gift, any power. What Kain takes is a power, what the power becomes is a Dark gift, like the Hylden witch' TK. Dantes regen/DT/QS are his powers as are his speed/strength etc, they would become Kains Dark gifts however if Kain stole them. understand?

Show me Alastor cutscene please? Not if he has to turn around first, making the big assumption he knows Kain is there in the milliseconds he has left to him.

I dont think so, its hard to tell because he impales the Sarafan lord but its also safe to assume he hit the sarafan lord with the reaver more than once in the gameplay, in the cutscene only once. Thing is, assuming the reaver has not eaten the soul of a strong enemy in one hit, we should also wonder if it can take the soul of an enemy while their dancing, screaming like an ape, wearing a red coat, a green tunic and have demon origin...... 😛 😉

not really, his magic powers and weapons from what I have seen so far do not top anyone else on his team, their just useful supplements especially since I have given him a mount. His chaos form is good but not that good, hes still slow and lumbering.

"shrug", we dont know how tall Raziel/Kain are, only that their taller than most humans in their universe or at least as tall. According to the fans on the Smashbros forum an event in one of Links games points to him only being about 5ft tall.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
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Sure looks iron to me. Maybe if you'd played a Zelda game you'd be more aware.

Certainly /sounds/ like iron.

The iron boots: You've claimed they make him 5x heavier. Know what can't do that? Iron can't.

Zeldapedia claimed that although recent evidence suggests the Gorons are weak and light, a few slabs of iron on Links feet and he is too heavy for a Goron to move....

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
We don't know how much heavier they make him, BT's number of 5x comes from a gameplay mechanic.

They are indeed magic though.

Zeldapedia claims that in part of the game it takes wearing the Iron boots to equel 5x links weight on a scale or something.

Are they? where is this stated? your info on the boots you just posted >>Zeldapedia as its from the game directly. But it does not say their magic.

Originally posted by LLLLLink
Well, if we are linking the feats together, that means that the same legs that were strong enough to lift the 1000+ ton pillar are unable to run in those boots. THAT'S how heavy they are.

Exactly,yet another reason why Screampaste trying to put figuires against an illogical/illegitimate physical feat are redundant.