Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

I told ya, being generous Links strength with the gauntlets is:

Mass: 600000

Velocity: 0.5

Squared: 0.25

Kinetic energy: 75000

pressure per square foot: 55317 pounds

Pressure per square inch: 384 pounds

But he can only just about lift this.

Raziels forces on Kains body:

mass= 120k kilograms

Speed= 2 meters over 0.4 seconds

velocity= 2 divided by 0.4= 5

Velocity squared= 25

Multiply squared velocity with Mass= 120000 x 25

Kinetic energy= 3000000 x 0.5= 1500000 joule

1500000 / 1.3558179483314004 = Pounds per square foot

Pounds per square foot of force= 1106343.2239158980458171230974566

Pounds per square inch (PSI)= 7682.9390549715142070633548434444

Godamnit BT, now you're trying to argue with a cutscene. Guess what? The cutscene wins.

Also, you goof'd.

Raziel's strength: 184215.2012
Foot pound force: 135870.15972676

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Godamnit BT, now you're trying to argue with a cutscene. Guess what? The cutscene wins.

Also, you goof'd.

Raziel's strength: 184215.2012
Foot pound force: 135870.15972676

Sure it does, so does Mario throwing castles around, its not physically legit though. So yes, me and the cutscene win, you lose.

nah, thats Raziels strength to move half the weight he can move the distance you calculated. Completly ignoring more than what you want to see.

''Pause right before the eye scene and you can see that the rocks have stopped, then backtracks to the whole scene.'' all for effects.

Instead of trying to explain it to you that the real time from that vid is <0.3 just watch a gameplay clip.

YouTube video
Midna uses a fraction of the power of the Fused Shadows. This causes Zant to explode.

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Midna uses the full power of the Fused Shadows. This destroys the barrier Ganondorf put around Hyrule castle.

You have already seen the clash between Ganondorf and Midna destroy Hyrule Castle, and Ganondorf crushing the Fused Shadows.

Originally posted by BloodRain
''Pause right before the eye scene and you can see that the rocks have stopped, then backtracks to the whole scene.'' all for effects.

Instead of trying to explain it to you that the real time from that vid is <0.3 just watch a gameplay clip.

Assuming your right then Kain still gets about 1.2 seconds before Dante can activate time slow, add more seconds to that based on how long it would take Dantes slowed mind to react and think of stopping time.

Originally posted by The Scenario
YouTube video
Midna uses a fraction of the power of the Fused Shadows. This causes Zant to explode.

lLZzBXVpQho&feature=related

Midna uses the full power of the Fused Shadows. This destroys the barrier Ganondorf put around Hyrule castle.

You have already seen the clash between Ganondorf and Midna destroy Hyrule Castle, and Ganondorf crushing the Fused Shadows.

Very strange, I thought this move was in the form of a magic blast but its more a physical stab with a spear....well at least someone on Links side of the argument will post vids and proof. Thanks Scenario.

A bullet timers mind has faster reaction times then a human, average human is 0.25 for knowledge sake.
0.3 seconds with time slowed by 60% is 0.75 (<- at most) and Kains teleport>slash move takes 0.8.

BT, it isn't my fault that you're too clueless to be able to remember anything and accept when you've been beaten. So don't go throwing around nonsense that we've never posted any proof.

Originally posted by BloodRain
A bullet timers mind has fast reaction time then a human, average human is 0.25 for knowing sake.
0.3 seconds with time slowed by 60% is 0.75 (<- at most) and Kains teleport>slash move takes 0.8.

Wheres the 60% from?

How can that be possible when he slashed 5 guys in 2 seconds? at most 0.4 seconds for one guy....

And thats the speed Dante takes to activate time stop. Your acting as if Dantes reaction time is instant and that he will choose to activate time stop immediatley. Reaction to a bullet is also easier than reacting to Kain in this instant, why? because Dante can predict that Nero or whoever is going to fire upon him.

Kain will appear out of nowhere, he may not even notice Kain before its too late assuming he appears behind Dante, Dantes only warning before he is impaled would be Links scream of childlike terror in slow motion.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
you've been beaten

my turn to lol 😆

Unless you come up with some other nonsensical argument your own logic is about to tear your toonforce nonsense apart.

My toonforce argument is fine, its not even my main argument. My main argument is that your assuming LoZ has to be logical, therefore your adding durability and strength feats where you think they belong for link to lift the pillar. Completly ignoring his struggling to even lift it, the fact he throws it at speeds that are not only daft but impossibel considering he hardly moves his arms even ignoring the fact use of such force would crush his tiny little body.

His pretty much just an elf, no innate supernatural/physical superpowers.

He's also sort of the personification of courage and champion of the goddess Farore, but I guess that doesn't mean much.

Actually that means his logic is inconsistent and so biased Fox News could do a cover story on it.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Wheres the 60% from?

How can that be possible when he slashed 5 guys in 2 seconds? at most 0.4 seconds for one guy....

And thats the speed Dante takes to activate time stop. Your acting as if Dantes reaction time is instant and that he will choose to activate time stop immediatley. Reaction to a bullet is also easier than reacting to Kain in this instant, why? because Dante can predict that Nero or whoever is going to fire upon him.

Kain will appear out of nowhere, he may not even notice Kain before its too late assuming he appears behind Dante, Dantes only warning before he is impaled would be Links scream of childlike terror in slow motion.

From... you. In our Mewtwo vs Kain takeover. You stated that time is slowed by 60%, near the end you showed me that clip and i worked out that the initial hit took 0.8 seconds.

If you say how he uses in in gameplay you'd see that it is instant. What i was driving at was that it takes 0.75 secs to use QS and a reaction time lets day of a basic human which is according to wiki 0.14... now 0.35. 1.1 max total to Kains 0.8 + activation his time powers.

...Though its closer to 0.5 total.

His pretty much just an elf, no innate supernatural/physical superpowers.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Despite having numerous feats that prove otherwise. /Eyeroll.

I thought it was all in his gear

I thought it was all in his gear

Unenhanced Link stops and throws around a massive Goron that's made of stone, and heavy enough to snap the chains supporting the platform.

Originally posted by BloodRain
From... you. In our Mewtwo vs Kain takeover. You stated that time is slowed by 60%, near the end you showed me that clip and i worked out that the initial hit took 0.8 seconds.

If you say how he uses in in gameplay you'd see that it is instant. What i was driving at was that it takes 0.75 secs to use QS and a reaction time lets day of a basic human which is according to wiki 0.14... now 0.35. 1.1 max total to Kains 0.8 + activation his time powers.

...Though its closer to 0.5 total.

I dont remember, I remember calculating two people being thrown by Kains TK in one thread where it took 5x as long for the one under the effects of slow time to reach the destination.

instant in gameplay, but its a slow in gameplay. In this cutscene it takes him fractions of a second to stop time completly. Wiki states that its 0.14-0.18+ to react to an object without choices, the exeriment was also based on prediction because the people were told what to look for. It claims that as soon as the equation of choice came into it (when they had to choose the colour to press the button on) it took longer. Thing is Kain will be appearing out of nowhere, maybe by using the LK farsight he could teleport behind Dante and get the upper hand immediatley and as I said Dante would only just realise he is getting impaled as Link screams out in girly panic.

Also dont forget the time it takes for Kain to teleport from the beginning will not be counted because Dante is not going to see Kain doing it or be able to predict where Kain is going to appear therefore he only has the time between Kain appearing and striking which needless to say will be a fraction of the whole 0.8 second time.

I was thinking Kain would activate his time powers before the teleport, as well as his repel shield. Activation of time requires about a second itself so waiting until he reaches Dante to do it would be suicide unless hs initial strke killed Dante.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Despite having numerous feats that prove otherwise. /Eyeroll.

not really, ignoring the pillar feat and taking the feats from the rest of the game you would probably find a lot of inconsistency and toonforce. Link as Miria pointed out needs items through all his games. He prob would not even carry about his dinky sword and shield if he was as strong or as durable as you claim.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
YouTube video This isn't his best feat, but it's the one that requires me to do the least math at 5:20 am

Unenhanced Link stops and throws around a massive Goron that's made of stone, and heavy enough to snap the chains supporting the platform.

Yeh, and links heavy shoes that slow him down are made of Iron 🙄 thin enough iron to fit on his feet yet heavy enough to weigh him down, his strength means little here. Also we dont know the weight of that Goron, it could be made of a soft stone and be hollow since its a living entity.

Also note the toonforce as the Goron bounces up and down on the lava like bugs bunny would. I dont think I have seen a real human being bouce up and down, holding their ass while yelping in pain when they fall on Lava....

Yepp i looked back on the (very, very long) thread.
And a high speed RT like of Dante and Bay would be faster then average, faster then 0.14. First time he uses its as fast as a thought, aka his reaction time. And in a 4way fight Dante won be standing still. Kain will have to target him, get in range(?) and use it without anyone or Dante attacking him during. Can mutes scream? `,`

Or is he? Only if Dante's not focusing on him which in a big fight its most likely he would, and his speed is enough to get a counter/block even if it as a fraction of the time at the same time as being slowed down. (thanks to the Alastor cutscene)

Unless Dante activates his first >.> geez time powers are confusing. Ill just hold onto his speed to get him out of trouble and keep that bloody sword away from him. Kill of be killed move, worth the risk?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Yepp i looked back on the (very, very long) thread.
And a high speed RT like of Dante and Bay would be faster then average, faster then 0.14. First time he uses its as fast as a thought, aka his reaction time. And in a 4way fight Dante won be standing still. Kain will have to target him, get in range(?) and use it without anyone or Dante attacking him during. Can mutes scream? `,`

Or is he? Only if Dante's not focusing on him which in a big fight its most likely he would, and his speed is enough to get a counter/block even if it as a fraction of the time at the same time as being slowed down. (thanks to the Alastor cutscene)

Unless Dante activates his first >.> geez time powers are confusing. Ill just hold onto his speed to get him out of trouble and keep that bloody sword away from him. Kill of be killed move, worth the risk?

Well, assuming they did not have a choice to make and they could predict whats going to happen, yes faster than 0.14, I think it would take longer because he has to make a choice which would increase the time it takes. Well I was imagining them marching towards eachother across the 1 mile track of land, but sure he wont be standing still, chances are though if hes fighting someone this manouver would be even easier to pull off since his attension could be on Bayonetta who is prob nearly as fast as he is or LK who will be using supernatural powers from long range.

Also another interesting note, assuming there are armies of undead attacking eachother (two necromancers) then the chances of Dante mistaking Kain for "just another vampire" or "just another corpse" amongst his foes may increase, making it harder for him to realise when Kain is appearing, remembe this is all happening in fractions of a second, 1-200 milliseconds.

Well remember theres a mile between them, also why focus on Kain? I would think he would focus more on Bayonetta, shes his female opposite who could actually fight him on equel terms in a slug fest. Not sure about fast enough, if Kain appears behind him, he does not necesserily know then even without using time powers Kain still only has about what, a few hundred milliseconds, this is prob less time than it takes Dante to react+use his sword/his own time powers. Slowed he would be even slower to react in time. Also the repel shield although its no real feat behind its durabiliy, it would break in the first blow but this may give Kain even more time.

Lulz, mutes? not sure tbh, he can grunt so he may be able to scream.

Yes, but then again this could waste his times powers because Kain may not decide to teleport near to him during the time powers effects. Well if Kain kills Dante, or even wastes Dantes time stop, it increases the chances of Team 2 winning vastly even if Kain is actually destroyed in the process.

Also Kain would not actually be out of the fight because Vampies become wraiths after they die, all they need is their own bodies, or another body to come back to the physical plain as shown by Dumah , LK could technically resurrect Kain.