And The Seer has a few moves labelled Dark gifts. DT is a species limited move that releases their true devil side, not something that can be replicated.
The glass fell 1m in .2 secs, during it only moved 1cm. 100x faster then .2secs was how long it took him to make five wide slashes. DT requires a change, anything else is just demon energy. Lightning was just the sword.
So you cant say for certain that its a one hit deal, the cutscene was after the fight so hi defiantly got hit more then once. Imo it looks like it only takes the souls of weak or weakened foes.
From what ive seen [in a cutscene that ruined the game >_>] he has the second fastest regen here. Most rounded character.
Actually i can. If we are to use Earth based physics then humans will be the same. Unless all these people have their heights mentioned then we'll have to assume by the average human height.
Originally posted by BloodRain
And The Seer has a few moves labelled Dark gifts. DT is a species limited move that releases their true devil side, not something that can be replicated.The glass fell 1m in .2 secs, during it only moved 1cm. 100x faster then .2secs was how long it took him to make five wide slashes. DT requires a change, anything else is just demon energy. Lightning was just the sword.
So you cant say for certain that its a one hit deal, the cutscene was after the fight so hi defiantly got hit more then once. Imo it looks like it only takes the souls of weak or weakened foes.
From what ive seen [in a cutscene that ruined the game >_>] he has the second fastest regen here. Most rounded character.
Actually i can. If we are to use Earth based physics then humans will be the same. Unless all these people have their heights mentioned then we'll have to assume by the average human height.
Where? I think your trying to make a "dark gift" into a specific power which its not. Its just the name for a vampires abilities in BO, its what the vampires call an ability, jumping extremely far is a dark gift, mind control and immolating people alive are dark gifts. DT, regen etc would be dark gifts. How would you know what can be replicated? Dantes never had a power stealing vampire drink his blood....
Dantes regeneration, strength, physical prowess are exactly the same as the evolution that led to Sebastions speed, base vampiric strength, Faustus' long jumping, their all physical feats from physical influences (demon/vampiric). Kain takes these powers when he drinks blood of a spiecies.
Despite this Dantes coat seems to me moving extremely slowly considering the fact hes supposed ot be moving so fast, his coat is moving the same as my coat would if I swung a sword as slowly as it "looks" like he is ignoring the glass. I think this is just a magic influence on the glass as Alastors demon power merged with Dante, I dont think its an indication of speed.
Based on gameplay mechanics, this is not gameplay. Dante has no soul resistances, so he would be blasted to piecies in one shot. If you want to play gameplay almost all enemies in DMC take a good few combos to damage despite either being made of sand/wood (puppets/manequins) as do Kains enemies who are wearing light plate and robes. Gameplay mechanics are not taken into account in canon.
Why would humans be the same? as pointed out diets are different, heights in our world at specific times are irrelevant to another different universe. In height in LoK Kain>Raziel>Human
Nah im just following what the wiki says, they're different to natural abilties. Similar how Kain has never taken something like what Dante has. Those things are what all demons have not just one single person, and you have to be a demon to do it. Its not any species either.
Alastor does not have that power. Can see at 1:23 the sudden increase to normal speed.
Based on canon the Reaver hasnt shown these capabilities. Likewise in DMC all the bosses take more then one hit, all that did was further my idea that it works on weaker foes.
Diets are different or may be different? Not stated whether or not they are. Not as irrelevant as you think, they're humans and in a similar time so the height will be similar. Wasnt it you who said Kain is above or the same as humans in LoK a few posts ago?
Originally posted by BloodRain
Nah im just following what the wiki says, they're different to natural abilties. Similar how Kain has never taken something like what Dante has. Those things are what all demons have not just one single person, and you have to be a demon to do it. Its not any species either.Alastor does not have that power. Can see at 1:23 the sudden increase to normal speed.
Based on canon the Reaver hasnt shown these capabilities. Likewise in DMC all the bosses take more then one hit, all that did was further my idea that it works on weaker foes.
Diets [b]are
different or may be different? Not stated whether or not they are. Not as irrelevant as you think, they're humans and in a similar time so the height will be similar. Wasnt it you who said Kain is above or the same as humans in LoK a few posts ago? [/B]
because its not natural to jump as far, be as strong or as fast as vampires, or to be able to break peoples will with your mind. Yes he has, hes taken speed from Sebastion and supernatural leap from Faustus and hes taken the powers of a hylden which is effectively a demon yet your trying to say Dante is somehow different? not shown....Kains taken powers from different entities, your trying to assume Dantes powers are not able to be taken just because hes not a hylden or Vampire, thats almost like saying Dantes QS will not work on Kain because hes never slowed a vampire 😉
well it seems it does becaue thats what were seeing, if it was pure speed from Dante his coat would have done more than shuffled, his hair would have moved more etc. Or the power already being absorbed just allowed the glass to drop.
based on canon the Reaver eats the souls of those it strikes, so yes that is its capability. Your adding "only on weakened enemies" based on gameplay so no.....Dante gets impaled and his soul is eaten, simply fact. Also all we see is the Sarafan lord getting impaled, so once again one hit kill in a cutscene. Were only assuming Kain gets a stab on the Sarafan lord before then.
Yes but according to you, Raziel is shorter than Kain who is also taller than humans. Raziel is harder to gauge the height of because he fights/confronts humans less than Kain does.
because its not natural to jump as far, be as strong or as fast as vampires, or to be able to break peoples will with your mind. Yes he has, hes taken speed from Sebastion and supernatural leap from Faustus and hes taken the powers of a hylden which is effectively a demon yet your trying to say Dante is somehow different? not shown....Kains taken powers from different entities, your trying to assume Dantes powers are not able to be taken just because hes not a hylden or Vampire, thats almost like saying Dantes QS will not work on Kain because hes never slowed a vampireHylden and vampires are related.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Hylden and vampires are related.
Nah, Hylden and Vampires are two different spiecies. Hylden simply created the vampiric curse that turned what was pretty much angels into Vampires but other than that, their just as different as any two spiecies, infact their the opposite.
Well its not, normal vamp speed/jump is natural, those further feats are the Dark gifts. Eg all vamps having some degree of TK, Seers TK is an evolved form of this. Hyldens arnt demons in the way that DMC demons are. O.o ooook that is a horrible comparison, i was getting at that he hasnt taken them from an enemy in the way you say.
Cant refuse it based on the graphics, if you want to go by what was seen; 1- Dante uses his known super speed to slash so fast everything looks alot slower. 2- Dante uses some unknown thing to somehow slow the decent of the glass at the exact second he starts to swing and stops it the second he stops slashing. I wouldn't give 2 a second thought, too many holes in it.
No actually im basing it on everything. Dante can extract his enemies soul to make a devil arm, even though its not stated he has to weaken them its obvious. If there was a fight scene then yeah he hit him more times. And does it eat the whole soul in one go or part? If there was canon evidence that its a one-kit KO then id love to take that into consideration.
From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLz7T1Y_yFQ&feature=related Kain isnt really that tall. The woman at 0:36 is not that much shorter then him. All the guards in purple with quivers on their back are taller then Kain. He's slightly above average 😐
Originally posted by BloodRain
Well its not, normal vamp speed/jump is natural, those further feats are the Dark gifts. Eg all vamps having some degree of TK, Seers TK is an evolved form of this. Hyldens arnt demons in the way that DMC demons are. O.o ooook that is a horrible comparison, i was getting at that he hasnt taken them from an enemy in the way you say.Cant refuse it based on the graphics, if you want to go by what was seen; 1- Dante uses his known super speed to slash so fast everything looks alot slower. 2- Dante uses some unknown thing to somehow slow the decent of the glass at the exact second he starts to swing and stops it the second he stops slashing. I wouldn't give 2 a second thought, too many holes in it.
No actually im basing it on everything. Dante can extract his enemies soul to make a devil arm, even though its not stated he has to weaken them its obvious. If there was a fight scene then yeah he hit him more times. And does it eat the whole soul in one go or part? If there was canon evidence that its a one-kit KO then id love to take that into consideration.
From http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PLz7T1Y_yFQ&feature=related Kain isnt really that tall. The woman at 0:36 is not that much shorter then him. All the guards in purple with quivers on their back are taller then Kain. He's slightly above average 😐
Vampirism itself is the dark gift silly, you seem to be confusing a Dark gift as something specific, its not, its just a different form of power from a vampires evolution. Hyldens dont have Dark gifts because their not vampires, even your wiki tells you that. No, so what? their a different spiecies completly different from a vampire, hence your point of "only dark gifts are taken" is moot. Your reaching, your trying to say that just because Dante is a demon or a different kind of entity that for some reason Kain will not gain powers from drinking his blood like he has several entities, the same comparison can be said for any of Dantes powers as well, the logic is poor.
Thats what your doing, your basing the glass moving slowly, I am looking at other things. His coat, his hair, his clothes would all move far faster, they would shake like the dickens if he was really moving at the speeds you claim. And no, my claim is the magic from Alastor bonding with Dante like all his weapons do make the glass and the surrounding area look slow/slow down when Dante slices with the sword, it could also just be a graphic effect that looks cool, hence why the clothes and hair of Dante move like their just normal slow sword swings.
Half the time, we see them becoming souls once their dead and Dante takes the soul. Theres no "fight" scene tho, theres a gameplay combat scene just like any combat scene where characters can take more hits than they have feats for, your trying to meld gameplay with canon to downplay the reaver, dont, otherwise rebellion is a weak sword and Dante is weak because hes not shown to be faster than bullets in gameplay, and he takes more than a couple of slices to cut wooden manaequins and sack demons. How can you eat part of a soul? your talking about a slow drain, the reaver eats souls. As Kain says "feed on the souls of any creature it strikes". As shown in the cutscene, it does this to the Sarafan lord, impaled and his soul is taken.
0:36? you mean when Kain is crouched a little and his knees are bent? Shes being held up by the manacles yet he is crouching his back and head slightly along with his knees. Kains back is arched every time he drinks the blood so I cannot see how your making a height comparison, heres some better vids:
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Kain is roughply the same height or taller in every kill, their standing up straight and at times he has his knees bent or is in his "attack" stance".
Im just believing what wiki says. Ahhh he brought of reaching, i was waiting for that ^^ no 😐 maybe he can take Dantes low leveled TK but not the other things. So Kain 'can' drink fish blood and breath underwater? Because thats what he'd have to do to have the same effects here. The gifts are just evolved innate abilities that they all mostly have that Kain steals... Y'know this doesnt matter as he wont get to his soul.
The scene was slowed down, why his slashes seemed slow. Wait... his weapons bond to him so everything looks slow... ¬,¬? DMC3 intro backs this up so thats two instances of evidence.
Wow touchy subject eh? 'Dante is weak, slow and has a weak sword' compares to 'they had a fight'? Well done *claps* They had a fight gameplay or not, fact. If their was no canon fight then you wouldnt of fought him in gameplay. And did i say slow drain anywhere? Shown in other games (or anime) where a move 'eats' the soul but not with one hit. Reaver has one instance of killing someone and taking their soul after a fight.
-__- do you really think i didnt notice that? I increased his height for the crouching and also her as her knees are bent too. Not that much taller.
Third kill in the first vid, both standing straight, Kains slightly taller. 1:40 on second vid, Kains slightly bent and just under dead guys height, so Kains slightly taller. Purple guys with quivers on their back in the link i send were held up and bodies were taller then Kain. ~,~
Originally posted by BloodRain
Im just believing what wiki says. Ahhh he brought of reaching, i was waiting for that ^^ no 😐 maybe he can take Dantes low leveled TK but not the other things. So Kain 'can' drink fish blood and breath underwater? Because thats what he'd have to do to have the same effects here. The gifts are just evolved innate abilities that they all mostly have that Kain steals... Y'know this doesnt matter as he wont get to his soul.The scene was slowed down, why his slashes seemed slow. Wait... his weapons bond to him so everything looks slow... ¬,¬? DMC3 intro backs this up so thats two instances of evidence.
Wow touchy subject eh? 'Dante is weak, slow and has a weak sword' compares to 'they had a fight'? Well done *claps* They had a fight gameplay or not, fact. If their was no canon fight then you wouldnt of fought him in gameplay. And did i say slow drain anywhere? Shown in other games (or anime) where a move 'eats' the soul but not with one hit. Reaver has one instance of killing someone and taking their soul after a fight.
-__- do you really think i didnt notice that? I increased his height for the crouching and also her as her knees are bent too. Not that much taller.
Third kill in the first vid, both standing straight, Kains slightly taller. 1:40 on second vid, Kains slightly bent and just under dead guys height, so Kains slightly taller. Purple guys with quivers on their back in the link i send were held up and bodies were taller then Kain. ~,~
Ofc your reaching, if he can take the powers from several spiecies theres no reason hes not going to take Dantes, Dante has nothing that would give him an edge in protecting his unique powers than the characters Kain has already taken from. I dont know, a bit ambiguous and strange question since hes never tried, why would he? Not really, Dantes regen is a more specific ability, just like Tk, mind control and its physical too. I am talking about blood drinking tho....
Seemed slow but so did all the effects of his clothing? sure, its magic its a good as an explanation as any considering if he was moving quick his clothing and hair would have done as well. its the same thing happens when Bayonetta does a stylish pose, a camera flashes...shes not literally having a picture taken but its a bit of flair, similiar thing here. This does not help him anyway....I dont know why were argueing this, hes swinging his sword randomly, its not the same as reacting, turning around to assault Kain who in all likelyness he will not notice if he appears anywhere other than in Dantes gaze.
They had a fight so its a fact Sarafan lord was impaled/slashed by the sword? the sword with Kains strength behind it would carve through him since the Sarafan lord has no durability feats. its the same thing, you claiming just because in gameplay you have to wait for someon to be weakened before you can "impale" them does not make it true in canon, same with the enemies Dante fights who take many blows. it eats souls on strike according to Kain, logically the sword is just raziel eating their soul from within, the works based on impalement so Dante does not actually have any advantages here. Lets use another example, you saying Kain can only impale weakened enemies after hes slashed them 5 times (lold at a normal man taking 5 slashes from Kain) in gaemplay is equivelant to saying Kratos cannot run and push an opponent down just because he has to hit a minotaur a few times and wait for "circle" to appear before he can do it in-game 🙄
Tell me your logic behind the sword not being able to take a soul just because a target is not "weakened" as we see in gameplay?
Held up with Kains back crouched low. In almost every instance Kain is taller than most of these people.
Ok, cry reacher if you want. Those three species are not that far apart. His and everyones powers are not linked to dark gifts. A bird can fly, if he eats one can he fly too? Oh blood drain... thats even less likely to work.
Thats all based on bad graphics. xD thats no where near similar. This is why its relevant; bullet timer and millisecond movements means his RT is high. DMC3 cutscene proves this to be true.
If the cutscenes fail to show proof then you got nothing left but gameplay. If the reaver could in one hit there would be more cutscenes as its an important thing to the game. OTL no offence but you really need to work on your comparisons. A normal man is one on those weak enemies, try a strong supernatural being. As in those other examples weak or weakened foes energies/souls/powers can be taken then and not from the strong. Reaver just needs solid proof, if you can show me some this'll all be over.
.....once again i took that into consideration and upped Kains height for everything, answers still the same. The guys just over average.
Originally posted by BloodRain
Ok, cry reacher if you want. Those three species are not that far apart. His and everyones powers are not linked to dark gifts. A bird can fly, if he eats one can he fly too? Oh blood drain... thats even less likely to work.Thats all based on bad graphics. xD thats no where near similar. This is why its relevant; bullet timer and millisecond movements means his RT is high. DMC3 cutscene proves this to be true.
If the cutscenes fail to show proof then you got nothing left but gameplay. If the reaver could in one hit there would be more cutscenes as its an important thing to the game. OTL no offence but you really need to work on your comparisons. A normal man is one on those weak enemies, try a strong supernatural being. As in those other examples weak or weakened foes energies/souls/powers can be taken then and not from the strong. Reaver just needs solid proof, if you can show me some this'll all be over.
.....once again i took that into consideration and upped Kains height for everything, answers still the same. The guys just over average.
Not that far apart? we have a new vampire that is vastly remote from even the ancient vampires who fought the Hylden (yet another spiecies) who are alike to demons and apprently their not far apart? their just in the same universe I think your trying to reach for Dark gifts being something everyone has and that Kain steals that particulour gift, this is never said to be the case. The term "dark gift" is just a vampires term for a power they have, I would not be surprised if Dantes powers were called dark gifts by another vampire assuming they did not know him. I dont know, what I know is that the spiecies he drank from all had powerful physical/mental powers that he gained, maybe it only works on powerful beings, I assume you do not disagree Dante is powerful? And Kain can drink blood with ease either through TK or blood shower.
Thats not a fair claim since DMC is not really that old and if they can render falling glass and other objects his hair and clothing (which does move, just hardly at all) would move more, hell I think the glass even looks slower than you would think it would be even outside the "slowing" effect. Yes it is. No it just means he can move quickly assuming your correct, you dont need RT to do random sword movements, RT is based on reactions and in this scene Dante is not reacting to anything and as for bullets, they can be predicted as can the aim of the shooter. Kain randomly teleporting and appearing behind him giving him less than prob about 100 milliseconds to turn, attack etc (assuming he notices him in the first place) is not as predictable.
Which is not usable because its not a canon view of the powers/abilities of the characters, its a balanced mechanic that makes the game fun, hence why its possible for a man to get shot more than once in the head in some games, or get stabbed a few times with a sword and keep fighting. Not really, Kain only gets the reaver near the end of the games and on most of these occasions he impales an opponent and they are absorbed.
So this is your logic? apprently as long as your a strong supernatural being you can somehow automatically resist your soul being ripped out of you/eaten? thats not logical at all, we can say the same for anything. Dante in canon has never frozen in time a strong supernatural being, Kain is therefore immune? 🙄
You did not answer how your just using gameplay mechanics for your argument. You have no logical reason for Dante to not just have his soul ripped do you?
Kain impales the sarafan lord:
0:39
http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/bo1/weapons.php
Kains speech on it:
"Time fades even legend, and the origin of the Soul Reaver has been lost long ago. But its purpose remains - to feed on the souls of any creature it strikes. Kindred, this blade and I."
It says nothing about only working on weakened enemies, not that your gameplay mechanic based argument holds ground.
Assuming those knights and soldiers are just over average (not likely, soldiers in medieval periods are taller than the typical famished peasant).
Also even I am using gameplay mechanics, just because Kain slashes when he arrives after teleport does not mean he has to here. He could start slashing as he teleports in which case Dante would be impaled/beheaded and his soul absorbed before he has a chance to do anything.
Alike to demons? Those gifts are just those evolved base powers. Eg Kains strength is not a dark gift but if a LoK vamp could lift 1000tons then that would be his dark gift, they can call it a dark gift but it isnt. If it works on powerful people it should work on weaker things, Dante can get to Kain before Kain uses a move on him.
'01 games dont have the most realistic graphics. No, it isnt. Beings that move faster have higher RT, human 0.2 to a fly (faster for size) is 0.05. Dante had to react to Vergils attacks that took milliseconds and in succession, and yeah that takes high RT.
Technically by that view anything shown in gameplay doesnt count. So in no game does the Reaver show its capabilities?
No, its just a basic pleh. Seriously, work on these comparisons 😬 First of all i was saying how you based that on normal people and nothing stronger. Well if you showed me some good proof...
... which leads to this. It shows a worn out, beaten guy who needed one more blow to die -,- Che and it says nothing about one hit, now if you put this with that vid its clear one hit is not enough. Any better vids?
Normal human<Kain<Soldier, 5'6<5'8<5'10. 5'8 is still pretty tall.
^ Already said about the Vergil fight.