Kratos, Link, Ganondorf, Dante vs War, Kain, LK and Bayonetta

Originally posted by BloodRain
Turned his back on Ekidna for one. No i know the what the real faults are, when it stopped cant be said for certain but we know these few things; There was no sign of stopping before, no decrease of speed, the punch was in a full contact pose. May not be definate but its leaning alot more towards it stopping after. Low based on the chances of one random swing hitting another random swing one after another. Increasing the speed only raises the numbers, chances stay the same, 'that' is common sense. They wernt connected long enough to make the any heat or signs. Imo that last attack was near Dantes peak strength, Vergil being stronger made it obvious that Dante was somehow going to give first. Ie in the form of his sword being knocked away.

Oh we can deduce that? From what? Spiritually speaking(real) mind, body and soul are all connected. In different game/etc seem to follow suit. LoK doesnt say anything to say its not the same as them. 'Soul attack' aoe attacks depend on the opponent, its still a soul based attack. Youre claiming time powers work in the same way as draining souls. Not the best judge on whos logic is right or wrong.

Yes really. Never referenced the </> part to speed, but how one person was 'easily' killed by a stronger foe to another who was 'easily' killed by a someone weaker ''by far''. Like how Kain can be stabbed by a slow and obvious move. Then again when has Kain ever been in a similar situation?

That and Kain hasnt shown regen, so it points to what i said about him having to survive. -,- i find it strange that i can remember so much LoK details but you fail to remember the ones ive said recently. Dante stood up through the [b]whole sword, guard included. That mean the 10cm thick dragon guard tore through his body and made ^. Saw in another thread that you said yourself that it took hours for Kain.

Teleport feat, not a RT one. 'least not one above human potential.
Reacted to bullet shot 4m away, only giving him 5 milliseconds to evade. (800m/s over 4m) More then enough time.

No it is the point, what if those opponents were only 10 tonners at best? Unless they have anything that says that theyre strong, its a featless clam. Nothing to do with durability there at all. Thats the psi of their swing strength, add blade psi if you want the figures will show the same thing.

Didnt say perfect clone :/ oh he tries to teleport Dante can block on reappearance. Remember him going long distances by bats not teleport. (unfinished sentence? .__.) Even dimensional teleports, unless stated, have there limits. 'cept for Ganons TK. And if for instance Dante (or Ganon) see him appearing/about to strike someone they can act then. To a Kains teleporting Ganons TK is very effective. [/B]

This all proves nothing because the way Saviour freezes instantly without a move regardless of when is not something that a human can do with as much ease, he could have scraped Dante with that force if he froze as it struck. Close range, long blades, high speed, little variation= not so low chance of striking.

Not connected physically though. In what game does someone with a strong body also somehow have a strong soul? no I am claiming their both attacks that require a specific resistance to.

no way 😉 as I said PIS, Kain not acting on an obvious move can be passed off as PIS. Its not a believable poor showing. Kain was also weakened greatly, Dante was not, Dante has not even been hit before impalement.

I remember that, thing is the shaft/hilt is not sharp, it would not have sliced or cut open major organs the same way a sword would. Strange, that would make zero logical sense.

It has to be RT because Kain would have to take a whole 0.25+ seconds just percieve who hes swinging at and how to swing, Kain does that AND swings and hits in less time.

More than enough time to react to a bullet anyway.

Its like you didnt read my point, your now trying to argue strength feats when I am argueing against consistency.....yes it is, you deduced Dante based on 1000 tonnes of PSI hitting him over a surface area equel to his hands would only need 80 tonnes of PSI to pierce him over the same area. if you divide by 1/144th your literally mulitplying the tonnage so the power of either of their swords would have the pressure of thousands of tonnes.

Dantes going to block when hes hanging in the air in TK? right...and this is assuming Kain does not just appear behind the helpless Dante and impales him then. Depends what the limit is, if its an illogical one that teleport does not even touch (covering physical space) then no. Only if their close, they have 0.2 seconds to hit him, assuming their sitting there watching Kain constantly like a couple of paranoid and focused tigers waiting to strike despite others attacking them, not that I have seen Ganon react to 0.2 milliseconds.

Frozen with its last pose in the contact strike position, therefore it froze after. Even if it didnt the force wouldnt be noticeable. Not that many consecutive hits in a row, random strike would make a blind miss, creating a wide opening, ending with the opponent landing a killing blow. Not random.

Well of course not physically, 2/3 arnt physical. TWEWY and KH:CoM or 2 i think, Bleach, Shaman King, remember some FF one and LoZ (?) Soul Eater, Hellsing etc. Know there are others but they're passing right by me.

Doesnt pass the fact that he lost to Raz who is so much weaker then Kain, leads me to question how they even got to that stalemate if hes so much weaker. Dante had the whole fight with the stronger Vergil, who says he didnt get it?

-phew- Devil arms properties are different to normal items. Like how Gilgamesh can make a 'clean cut' through solid rock. Alastor is a strong DA to boot. You're right that it it wont cut, it'll tear them. It was on the Kain vs War thread. Someone quoted you on it.

If a normal persons strike is 0.2, and RT 0.2. 0.4 compared to Kains 0.2. About peak human. And he doesnt really have to think about much when doing it, teleport>slash>go to next person.

Evading 0.005, evading 0.2.

It links to consistency. Kain beats strong opponents yes, but saying that they're evidence to show Kains strength consistency is flawed. Were you watching me get my info? Didnt think so, I didnt use anything to do with the Savior in getting both of their slash strength. If i did use 1000 tons Dantes would be way higher then 90.

Kain can teleport and TK? Either way Doppel saves the day. Saw the fight scene, opponents can still move about when held. He can still block if needed. Just limits like amount you can do, distance, blah. Eg Nightcrawler. And i doubt his teleport is that good as he rarely uses it.
RT <0.2 means they can catch him. This of course in combat, and the same as Dante speedblitzing to attack Kain.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Had his heart ripped in piecies? when?

Alastor scene.

Originally posted by BloodRain
Frozen with its last pose in the contact strike position, therefore it froze after. Even if it didnt the force wouldnt be noticeable. Not that many consecutive hits in a row, random strike would make a blind miss, creating a wide opening, ending with the opponent landing a killing blow. Not random.

Well of course not physically, 2/3 arnt physical. TWEWY and KH:CoM or 2 i think, Bleach, Shaman King, remember some FF one and LoZ (?) Soul Eater, Hellsing etc. Know there are others but they're passing right by me.

Doesnt pass the fact that he lost to Raz who is so much weaker then Kain, leads me to question how they even got to that stalemate if hes so much weaker. Dante had the whole fight with the stronger Vergil, who says he didnt get it?

-phew- Devil arms properties are different to normal items. Like how Gilgamesh can make a 'clean cut' through solid rock. Alastor is a strong DA to boot. You're right that it it wont cut, it'll tear them. It was on the Kain vs War thread. Someone quoted you on it.

If a normal persons strike is 0.2, and RT 0.2. 0.4 compared to Kains 0.2. About peak human. And he doesnt really have to think about much when doing it, teleport>slash>go to next person.

Evading 0.005, evading 0.2.

It links to consistency. Kain beats strong opponents yes, but saying that they're evidence to show Kains strength consistency is flawed. Were you watching me get my info? Didnt think so, I didnt use anything to do with the Savior in getting both of their slash strength. If i did use 1000 tons Dantes would be way higher then 90.

Kain can teleport and TK? Either way Doppel saves the day. Saw the fight scene, opponents can still move about when held. He can still block if needed. Just limits like amount you can do, distance, blah. Eg Nightcrawler. And i doubt his teleport is that good as he rarely uses it.
RT <0.2 means they can catch him. This of course in combat, and the same as Dante speedblitzing to attack Kain.

But Dante , his opponent did make a "killing" blow, the blow just didnt kill Dante because hes not human.

Exactly, hence why someone being fit as a fiddle is not going ot help him protect his soul. And what characters within those have specifically resisted having their souls drained or taken while fit, but have been less resilent when weakened? (not that other universes correlate with LoK or DMC, if theyve shown a resistance then thats a feat for them not anyone else).

PIS its called, if Kain overpowered and crushed Raziel with ease the story would be messed up. Can you show me him get hit before the impalement?

Alastors hilt certainly has not shown it, we could play that two ways and say a normal hilt would have done more damage to him than a devil weapon "shrug". The most damage done by the hilt is that fact it would prob make a couple of tears and move them about a bit.

No, a normal persons perception is 0.2, to strike they would have to make the choice to strike, the way they strike and then do it and then move, Kain does all of this in 0.2. This is assuming the situation is predictable. he would have to make a choice which slows reaction time, hes deciding who to hit, hes not doing it out of instinct or primal urge.

Your forgetting the size of the things coming at him and the sounds they make, Kain coming form behind would not only make less noise than a bullet by far but the whole of him is coming at Dante, not a tiny bullet, Dante wouldnt just move his head a little to dodge Kain.

Consistency is shown by the fact hes never shown poor strength or more strength than he usually does, thats what consistency is because his strength stays consistent. That shows your flawed math, you just said that "if you did use saviour" when Saviour is nothing to do with it, the edge of a blade multiplies the force because of the pressure, screams equation was 1/144th on the tip of a sword.

TK shackles. Thats a copout, all this "dopel" nonsense when it has no feats. They cannot move their arms or bodies.

http://www.dark-chronicle.co.uk/def/attackkain.php

"Reinforcing my brute telekinetic abilities with exact technique I am able to temporarily shackle my enemies in mid air with chains of force."

Ill try and find a vid to point out what Kain could do. Nightcrawler can only teleport so far because he is afraid of teleporting into an object like a wall or getting stuck.
Not true, their RT+movement+actual attack has to=0.2, Dante if hes close by could succeed, Ive never seen Ganon even percieve at 0.2 let alone move and react as well as attack. But your countering this move by claiming both will be watching Kain, Kains the one who can be almost anywhere within the fight within fractions of a second and can even transfer into being mist if he wants to add to the confusion, their not going to be though, their going ot be fighting their own fights and have more than just Kain to concentrate on.

He would of been dead had his devil powers not awakened.

Just because its not physical doesnt mean their not connected. Ill go with Shaman King, (feeling nostalgic) main characters soul is being taken out of his body until he remembers things and his souls is safe,(strong mind) and he doesnt have any soul resistance. Not saying that these things are the same as LoK and DMC, but when one fails to tell us how something works...

Unless Kain isnt that far above Raziel. Same reason Sarafan is weakened at the end, they had a fight. Its almost definate that with <Kain and <Vergil being better the foe will have more hits on them.

And easily brushed away by saying Devil arm<normal weapon 😐 you wernt even trying. Look at the diagram, how can it go through (the middle) and not tear something? You say just moves them around, those few organs how nowhere to move around to.

Not really, if they know the plan of teleport>slash>next>repeat then they will already know what slash to use. Hence reaction time, 0.2 = thought to starting the move, then 0.25 to do the move.

Evading something small at those speeds to evading a person at 0.2. Size matters, but the speed still outweighs it. If the bullet travelled the 4m in 10milsecs, the sound would have gotten to him in 12milsecs. Then somehow knew exactly where the bullet was heading in time to evade. Think there was an instance in DMC3 where he blocked someone attacking from behind.

You said hes fought strong opponents and won, just saying that that means nothing. Id like to see your math to why it has nothing to do with it? Unless youre blindly guessing again. Thats good you remembered psi, quite frankly it has nothing to do with what i said. Kain's 'strength' in his strikes is 80 tons, Dante3's 'strength' in his strikes is 90 tons. Not psi, force. You can work out pis if you want but it has no relevance.

Unless Kain will wait (that he'd even know about Doppel until the last moment) to grap it too, it can just appear and strike. ''temporarily shackle my enemies'' but ill have to see the vid of him teleporting in conjunction before i go into this. Night crawlers 'awareness' prevents that unless he goes further, and its stated that it tires him out if he goes too far/uses it too much.
RT+action can = 0.2. If Ganon can gesture (cant recall how his TK works) is fast as a human, good chances of catching him. Stop saying what you think im claiming >_> already said that they wont. But when he does appear at least two people can counter. Based off both teams personalities, battle styles and movement, team 1 will be closer together at the start then 2. So they have a better defence to go against whatever is thrown at them.

Originally posted by BloodRain
He would of been dead had his devil powers not awakened.

Just because its not physical doesnt mean their not connected. Ill go with Shaman King, (feeling nostalgic) main characters soul is being taken out of his body until he remembers things and his souls is safe,(strong mind) and he doesnt have any soul resistance. Not saying that these things are the same as LoK and DMC, but when one fails to tell us how something works...

Unless Kain isnt that far above Raziel. Same reason Sarafan is weakened at the end, they had a fight. Its almost definate that with <Kain and <Vergil being better the foe will have more hits on them.

And easily brushed away by saying Devil arm<normal weapon 😐 you wernt even trying. Look at the diagram, how can it go through (the middle) and not tear something? You say just moves them around, those few organs how nowhere to move around to.

Not really, if they know the plan of teleport>slash>next>repeat then they will already know what slash to use. Hence reaction time, 0.2 = thought to starting the move, then 0.25 to do the move.

Evading something small at those speeds to evading a person at 0.2. Size matters, but the speed still outweighs it. If the bullet travelled the 4m in 10milsecs, the sound would have gotten to him in 12milsecs. Then somehow knew exactly where the bullet was heading in time to evade. Think there was an instance in DMC3 where he blocked someone attacking from behind.

You said hes fought strong opponents and won, just saying that that means nothing. Id like to see your math to why it has nothing to do with it? Unless youre blindly guessing again. Thats good you remembered psi, quite frankly it has nothing to do with what i said. Kain's 'strength' in his strikes is 80 tons, Dante3's 'strength' in his strikes is 90 tons. Not psi, force. You can work out pis if you want but it has no relevance.

Unless Kain will wait (that he'd even know about Doppel until the last moment) to grap it too, it can just appear and strike. ''temporarily shackle my enemies'' but ill have to see the vid of him teleporting in conjunction before i go into this. Night crawlers 'awareness' prevents that unless he goes further, and its stated that it tires him out if he goes too far/uses it too much.
RT+action can = 0.2. If Ganon can gesture (cant recall how his TK works) is fast as a human, good chances of catching him. Stop saying what you think im claiming >_> already said that they wont. But when he does appear at least two people can counter. Based off both teams personalities, battle styles and movement, team 1 will be closer together at the start then 2. So they have a better defence to go against whatever is thrown at them.

He would be.

Explain the situation? it sounds like theres more to this scene than that.

what lol? the hilt of a devil arm is also>a normal hilt? 🙄 it would force them to move, they didnt come out of him. Technically if a human had that done to them their organs would not stay inside them.

"knowing" is not the same as reacting or percieving or acting at that particulour moment, they would never even begin to move past 0.25 seconds unless they reacted primally on instinct. Your trying to use perception time as the time it takes for a human to commit an act, its not the same thing.

Can you find him blocking the person behind him? this would be a better gauge of his reaction an attack from a larger quieter object.

No I said hes consistently beaten anyone hes fought in strength, hence the consistence. How strong they are is irrelevent unless you can find a vid of current Kain being beaten by strength? It does because the PSI would be multiplied on a thin surface.

Doppel has no feats, its not that fast tbh. Kains never known such a weakness, but then Kains not a mutant, his teleport does not come from some gene, it comes from magic. Yeh if your as fast as Kain, not otherwise. I have to because you keep acting like their doing things that they cannot do, your plan of "they can counter him!" doesnt work if their not watching where hes going, they cant even predict where he will be, he could appear behind them and slice them in half and they wouldnt even predict it.

While the bad guy is eating his soul he does the 'remember my friends' part and then he's back. Think he was only kicked once before, and he's taken far worst. Similar things happen in other things, and LoK isnt handing us anything to go on.

When was the last time you saw a normal hilt sparked with demon electricity? Or be powered by devil energy? Key word there being 'human', and in a normal human in the same situation the organs would spill out -after- the blade is out. By then he was already healed.

He doesnt show anything besides the 2 core things of slash and move to next opponent. High human RT around >0.1, strike movement <0.2, about 0.3 for a eg martial artist/fighter. >___> once again stop saying what you think im doing, 'cos again i said they're two different things. His teleporting attack shows above average slash speed with high human RT. (Re-checked, the strikes not including start-up is 1.7/5=0.33per strike)

Yeah sure, lucky this ones easier to find ;p ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l512QrqpoC8 first few seconds. 0.16 to block. Has done this two more times in the DMC4 intro against goons.

You're right that consistency says that he's stronger then them, but without knowing how strong they are its not as helpful. As in if they're 5 tonners, all that says is Kains above 5. The point im trying to show is difference between them. Either way their strength to psi would have the same difference between them.

If it can fight like Dante it has access to his speed and strength. Not that he's shown much use of it to know. If you have to make sure that you're correct next time, and they dont have to constantly watch him only see him when he appears. Especially a TKer with >avrghuman RT.

Originally posted by BloodRain
While the bad guy is eating his soul he does the 'remember my friends' part and then he's back. Think he was only kicked once before, and he's taken far worst. Similar things happen in other things, and LoK isnt handing us anything to go on.

When was the last time you saw a normal hilt sparked with demon electricity? Or be powered by devil energy? Key word there being 'human', and in a normal human in the same situation the organs would spill out -after- the blade is out. By then he was already healed.

He doesnt show anything besides the 2 core things of slash and move to next opponent. High human RT around >0.1, strike movement <0.2, about 0.3 for a eg martial artist/fighter. >___> once again stop saying what you think im doing, 'cos again i said they're two different things. His teleporting attack shows above average slash speed with high human RT. (Re-checked, the strikes not including start-up is 1.7/5=0.33per strike)

Yeah sure, lucky this ones easier to find ;p ; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l512QrqpoC8 first few seconds. 0.16 to block. Has done this two more times in the DMC4 intro against goons.

You're right that consistency says that he's stronger then them, but without knowing how strong they are its not as helpful. As in if they're 5 tonners, all that says is Kains above 5. The point im trying to show is difference between them. Either way their strength to psi would have the same difference between them.

If it can fight like Dante it has access to his speed and strength. Not that he's shown much use of it to know. If you have to make sure that you're correct next time, and they dont have to constantly watch him only see him when he appears. Especially a TKer with >avrghuman RT.

Can you show me? sounds strange, he just remembers something and the dude can suddenly not take his soul?

A blade sure, the hilt? nah.....Show me where you got high human RT from? Well I am sorry but you are, explain how your counting 0.3? a human percieves something at 0.25 and this is a predictalbe something. And then the human according to you can move and make a hit at 0.05? thats impossible unless their not actually hitting something ,just thin air.

Fair enough, thats a better feat.

We dont need their strength to know how consistent Kains strength is, as long as hes always stronger, we know his strength down not increase, or dip strong/weaker throughout his showings. Maybe, Dante uses a straight edge sword, Kain uses a wavy blade with each segment has more PSI because it has less of a surface area, so Kains would be higher on each area although I dont know how to calculate that.

Not necesserily, its speed and strength may be less, even you just said your not assuming its a perfect copy and its not shown to be. Ganons not percieved, reacted, moved and Tked in >2.0. They may not even see where he appears, as I said they would need to see the whole battlefield (impossible when their locked in heated combat) and concentrate on where Kain is to make sure they dont miss him in the 0.2 seconds they would have before hes gone again. He could be anywhere, behind them, appearing elseware etc Kain would only have to look out for Ganon whos not that dangerous to him if he can TK Dante, the Dopplelganger has not shown much intelligence or independance.

Havnt seen it in 5 years, not gonna check all the manga scans ^^;;. Think it was during eating it... `-` Something i can remember from Naruto is one guy stealing anothers soul, but was only partly done as the bad guy was able to fight of the weaker 'soul taker'. (have to remember, its a non-real concept so the laws must be made)

The whole weapon is demon infused. If a normal persons RT is usually between 0.16 and 0.22, and a low percentile of average can get to 0.13. Experts can be above that. Experts = high human. (0.12~) Strange because in reality im not 😐 0.3 would be roughly peak human. High RT (0.13~) + fast strike (0.17~). (Were way off with the 0.05 thing.)

Which is saying he's stronger then maybe 5 tonners. 'S' shaped is higher but much by that much (would be alot higher if it was 'Z' shaped), though if Dante used Yamato, higher cutting strength, his will be higher. But remember that both of their blade-psi are higher then how much psi the opposite can take. So the exact psi number isnt needed as its already above.

Perfect copy=100% own will. Doppel copy=based on Dante's control. Fights the same as Dante does. Too many possibilities to say for certain what will/can happen. One thing though, you said impossible (improbable is the better word) in heated combat but also said Kain will teleport right over to them. Assuming he can go that far it'll take a while for the rest to catch up and make it heated combat. To note that Kain doesnt know who can TK and who can speedblitz unless they show it right off the bat (especially with no opponents around) unlike Kain who would use his teleport for movement thus showing team 1 what to look out for.

Kain would only have to look out for Ganon whos not that dangerous to him if he can TK Dante, the Dopplelganger has not shown much intelligence or independance.

To be honest: Kain, War, and Bayonetta probably couldn't take Ganon down if they all attacked him at once. 😬 Giving him Dante, Link, and Kratos? Are you crazy, BT?

Originally posted by BloodRain
Havnt seen it in 5 years, not gonna check all the manga scans ^^;;. Think it was during eating it... `-` Something i can remember from Naruto is one guy stealing anothers soul, but was only partly done as the bad guy was able to fight of the weaker 'soul taker'. (have to remember, its a non-real concept so the laws must be made)

The whole weapon is demon infused. If a normal persons RT is usually between 0.16 and 0.22, and a low percentile of average can get to 0.13. Experts can be above that. Experts = high human. (0.12~) Strange because in reality im not 😐 0.3 would be roughly peak human. High RT (0.13~) + fast strike (0.17~). (Were way off with the 0.05 thing.)

Which is saying he's stronger then maybe 5 tonners. 'S' shaped is higher but much by that much (would be alot higher if it was 'Z' shaped), though if Dante used Yamato, higher cutting strength, his will be higher. But remember that both of their blade-psi are higher then how much psi the opposite can take. So the exact psi number isnt needed as its already above.

Perfect copy=100% own will. Doppel copy=based on Dante's control. Fights the same as Dante does. Too many possibilities to say for certain what will/can happen. One thing though, you said impossible (improbable is the better word) in heated combat but also said Kain will teleport right over to them. Assuming he can go that far it'll take a while for the rest to catch up and make it heated combat. To note that Kain doesnt know who can TK and who can speedblitz unless they show it right off the bat (especially with no opponents around) unlike Kain who would use his teleport for movement thus showing team 1 what to look out for.

Ok well your not giving me much of an example to go on. I dont know the fictions your using and its hard for me to understand the situation without vids.

Yes but that doesnt mean its hilt is going to be physically more damaging than anything else.

consistently. Also he beats Raziel physically consistently. Yamato does not have higher cutting strength, what makes you say that? Kain has the surface area advantage so he can put more PSI on Dante, Yamato on the other hand is just a straight Katanalike blade so how is it more? not sure how much "quick" PSI Dante can put on his sword since the only time we see it against someone is against Vergil, the quick but weak blows not even altering Vergils stance so thousands of tonnes of strength could hardly be on him.

Well the first part of the fight in this thread (theres 3 remember, the 3rd being a character based one) has them all knowing their abilities like in all normal threads and using them to their best. Although remember, their just looking out for Kain, theres nothing but the initial teleport glow that makes it obvious Kains "going" to teleport, where he ends up they can never judge.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Here's where I correct you. Ganon is incredibly dangerous to Kain, and could rip him apart, freeze his mist form, or vapourise him entirely. Let alone trapping Kain between dimensions, or bringing twilight down on the entire battlefield.

To be honest: Kain, War, and Bayonetta probably couldn't take Ganon down if they all attacked him at once. 😬 Giving him Dante, Link, and Kratos? Are you crazy, BT?

"sigh", debators are debating and you have to bring fanon and childish nonsense in here? stop baiting please, when he gets round to it may Nemebro or Scenario can actually "debate" Link, in the mean time you sit tight laddie.

oh and for the record, Ganon is no threat at all to Kain and I lold at your final wild fanon spree.

Says the guy who has never played a Zelda game.

You made no argument, you claimed Ganon is no danger to Kain, but have no evidence of that.

I've noticed that the word "fanon" has been getting a lot of use lately. Anybody else notice that? 😛

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Says the guy who has never played a Zelda game.

You made no argument, you claimed Ganon is no danger to Kain, but have no evidence of that.

I have plenty, ill just wait until a real debator joins the thread to argue Ganon. Until then all your getting is a statement.

So you forfiet again.
link-rape

I accept your concession.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Here's where I correct you. Ganon is incredibly dangerous to Kain, and could rip him apart, freeze his mist form, or vapourise him entirely. Let alone trapping Kain between dimensions, or bringing twilight down on the entire battlefield.

To be honest: Kain, War, and Bayonetta probably couldn't take Ganon down if they all attacked him at once. 😬 Giving him Dante, Link, and Kratos? Are you crazy, BT?

I dunno about Kain but Ganondorf isn't doing crap to Bayonetta. She has him screwed in many ways. For one, she can make herself invisible and intangible.

I dunno about Kain but Ganondorf isn't doing crap to Bayonetta. She has him screwed in many ways. For one, she can make herself invisible and intangible.

no he cant, he can possess people and for brief periods with the trueforce he could go invisible using predictable powers, Ganon changes almost as much as Link throughout the series.

Ganon went invisible in LoZ1, as well as aLttP, GJ.

Play a Zelda game.

For brief periods in gameplay no less. lolz....

Not that thats going to stop either Kain or bayonetta cleaving him in half before he can react to let out a scream.