KMC Standards You'd like to Destroy

Sometimes for whatever reason, perhaps mostly repetition by fanboys, some characters overtime are accepted as being able to take on people they should lose to, or vice versa.

What are the top 3 myths regarding characters power levels that you'd want to fix in the Comics Vs section?

Lately, I've seen Wonder Woman being championed as a very close contender against Superman (I believe in the past, not many people would've supported this view). That would be one example of what this thread is about (I'm not saying I agree with it or not).

Or maybe, you don't think Green Lantern is as close as a match/ or is way more powerful than the Silver Surfer etc.

Sometimes these things really frustrate me, and I'm sure people want to set a few things straight too. While I know that after this thread passes nothing is really gonna change, its still good to get your opinion out there.

What do you guys think?

Ok my first little rant:

One thing I really dislike is the notion is that Spider-man always loses to Martial Artists - even peak human ones. The guy takes regular blows from class 10-ton+ enemies. A peak human blow isn't going to affect him in a PIS-less battle, unless possibly if it was a nerve strike. Also MA was developed for humans, it really wouldn't take advantage of Spider-mans other abilities, so Spider-man's style is not "bad" at all, its just the most effective way of fighting for his powerset.

id like to destroy the non cannon excuse that fanboys use when someone shows proof when their guys gets their ass kicked.

Supes/Thanos is a pretty contentious one around these parts, as well.

Originally posted by chomperx9
id like to destroy the non cannon excuse that fanboys use when someone shows proof when their guys gets their ass kicked.

spider-man's "problem" is that he's not highly decorated in any real fighting arts (that i know of). he can be taken unawares by a skilled opponent just like he can by a not so skilled opponent, the issue is if he's all up close on them, they have a shot at hurting him just as much as he does.

his webbing not winning the fight most of the time is a little pis'y, but he can be hurt by good fighters since he tends to hold back his strength + his lack of knowledge in high level fighting.

cap made it apparent that a true fighter has the mind for cqc whereas spider-man is not of that mindset. it went down hill quick once cap took over the offensive without letting spider-man do anything intelligently.

not all "fighter types" are cap, and they certainly don't have that shield so i guess you have a case.

Originally posted by Mindset
facepalm

So you think what you said was stupid too?

Cool.

id like to take away the batkick. yeah i know its cool in the comics and stuff.

but on here it takes away the fun. i mean someone make a batman vs galactus thread ok 1st thing a batman fanboy is gonna post batkick FTW. well if batkick wins every time whats the point of there being any batman threads ?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
spider-man's "problem" is that he's not highly decorated in any real fighting arts (that i know of). he can be taken unawares by a skilled opponent just like he can by a not so skilled opponent, the issue is if he's all up close on them, they have a shot at hurting him just as much as he does.

his webbing not winning the fight most of the time is a little pis'y, but he can be hurt by good fighters since he tends to hold back his strength + his lack of knowledge in high level fighting.

cap made it apparent that a true fighter has the mind for cqc whereas spider-man is not of that mindset. it went down hill quick once cap took over the offensive without letting spider-man do anything intelligently.

not all "fighter types" are cap, and they certainly don't have that shield so i guess you have a case.

Ok, I don't want to turn this thread into any sort of debate. Also, I wasn't thinking about Capt when I made my post, just in general.

But do you think in a KMC PIS-less fight, apart from nerve strikes, Spider-man would get hurt by a peak-human level punch, keeping in mind he regularly takes class 10-ton and above blows and keeps fighting?

Originally posted by Mindset
So you think what you said was stupid too?

Cool.

Originally posted by chomperx9
no i was jus imitating you since thats your post to everyone when you dont agree on something. you dont the time and intelegence to post why that person is wrong or something doesnt make sense what they posted you just reply with facepalm like thats supposed to accomplish anything

The anti-Apocalypse/"Table" jokes. It stopped being funny in 2006. The 616 version has a great resume and hasn't lost sans a plot device in direct encounters when at full power, but all that gets mentioned is the overblown Namor/table incident and his loss to Magneto in HoM which is not canon to the 616 version of the character. It's a gag that ran it's course a long time ago. Villains are used to make the heroes overcome great odds via some grandiose scheme and the cycle repeats. It doesn't make the villains weak, it's just the premise of the stories. Protagonists overcome Antagonists, lather/rinse/repeat.

Originally posted by Mindset
Is this English?

The notion of picking characters for their "implied" power, even with lack of feats.

Good examples are Dr. Manhattan and Phantom Stranger.

Originally posted by illadelph12
The anti-Apocalypse/"Table" jokes. It stopped being funny in 2006. The 616 version has a great resume and hasn't lost sans a plot device in direct encounters when at full power, but all that gets mentioned is the overblown Namor/table incident and his loss to Magneto in HoM which is not canon to the 616 version of the character. It's a gag that ran it's course a long time ago. Villains are used to make the heroes overcome great odds via some grandiose scheme and the cycle repeats. It doesn't make the villains weak, it's just the premise of the stories. Protagonists overcome Antagonists, lather/rinse/repeat.

What are the top 3 myths regarding characters power levels that you'd want to fix in the Comics Vs section?

Lately, I've seen Wonder Woman being championed as a very close contender against Superman (I believe in the past, not many people would've supported this view). That would be one example of what this thread is about (I'm not saying I agree with it or not).

The myth that she's NOT up there. Since I'm tired of defending it, and people at her level or lower don't need to be defended so much!

Hm... the myth that people with Regen (Logan, Laura, etc.) stomp high-end martial artists.

The myth that some of the very top-top end fighters (Cassandra being the most obvious, but also Shiva, Shang Chi...) fall within human limits, even by comic standards.

One thing I really dislike is the notion is that Spider-man always loses to Martial Artists - even peak human ones.

It's not that he loses, it's that he doesn't do as good as the power difference suggests. They can plan further in a fight further than his spider-sense reads, and yea, I guess he does have enough 'soft bits' that they can hurt him.

However, like I said above, the ones who do so generally shouldn't be mistaken as being within human limits. We're generally talking only the insanely skilled ones like Shang Chi, and Shang Chi has fought against the Thing.

1) H/P DD does not 'instantly adapt' to anything and everything.
2) Superman is no where close to 'approaching his PC power levels.'
3) Sentry does not have the power of a million, a thousand, or even a hundred suns. It's hyperbole, fanboys.

1.) The general lowballing of Wonder Woman is something I'd like to do away with. I think it's common sense that Superman is her superior in terms of physical stats and overall power, but given her own powers, skills, and equipment, I can't see how people claim that Superman, Thor, Hulk or other bricks stomp her one-on-one. To that end, I'd also like it if people understood just how powerful (and capable of one-shotting people) the lasso is. Most people just ignore the effects it has besides the truth aspect and don't get how it works in the midst of combat.

2.) The notion that because Sentry beat Molecule Man, anything Molecule Man has done or displayed in comics is now a viable tactic for Sentry in vs threads. Hell, the notion that Sentry can even matter manipulate offensively like some posters believe is ludicrous in of itself.

3.) The idea that Superman completely curbstomps Thor based off of him barely beating Thor in the JLA/Avengers crossover (which is inadmissible here anyway).

I'd like everyone to please not create VS threads of Superman vs. Sentry, Gladiator, Thanos and other b-level characters.

Originally posted by shokosugi
I'd like everyone to please not create VS threads of Superman vs. Sentry, Gladiator, Thanos and other b-level characters.