Originally posted by JakeTheBankYes, but the guy was clearly overmatched and needed the amp and quickly. Thanos fought Odin the entire time under his own power. We also later saw the Spectre ko him like a baby showing us he's less than nothing against the Spectre.
To be fair, CM did take a lot of the Spectre's asskicking before Enchantress even amped him. He was bloody beyond recognition, but even Spectre commented on how much effort Marvel was putting up against him.
Originally posted by Philosophía Black Adam has no-sold Dr Fate and then easily dismissed him. He has ripped Amazo's head off. Has repeatedly gone up against JSA's roster. He has fought and beaten teams composed of Sentinel, Power Girl, Jay Garrick, Hawkman and others. Suffice to say, he's had his share of going against high powered opponents and coming out victorious
So in your opinion BA , and CM are above Marvel Top tiers or even DC top tiers? If not I don't see what's the point posting those feat , I posted those feat for Thanos because Imo he can and will beat any High Herald easily.
Can CM or BA beat WW , Superman , MM , Hal easily in a 1 on 1?
Since you didn't answer this let me ask you again.
Originally posted by kgkg
Thanos has shown to be much more durable than the likes of Surfer , Thor , Genis etc so for CM and BM to be close to Thanos's durability you must either think1>BA , CM are vastly more durable than Marvel top tiers. If you do think this is the case than pick either character and I will show you how wrong that opinion is.
2>Or that Thanos is not much more durable than say Thor, Hulk, Surfer etc… Which is wrong also wrong when you have seen the upper limit of Thanos’s durability
I will also note the Marvels are literally *designed*, mystically speaking, to take apart mages. So he'll do better against Dr. Fate than some people who could beat him (also Hector Hall wasn't that impressive a Fate).
Also I don't think Sentinel or PG were actually taken out in the BA vs JSA fights in question, though admittedly it's been awhile since I read them.
Originally posted by Philosophía
[B]Captain Marvel has stood up to Spectre (heh), been turned inside out, Black Adam had a football field teleported inside his head etc.
Because Wonder Woman and Superman couldn't fly through Spectre's head. Oh please, most top tier should replicate said feat no problem.
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Thanos may be more durable, but certainly not 'much' durable.[quote]Compared to who? Spectre fluctuates wildly. Thanos' durability is consistent mostly. What herald or top tier has ever beaten him?
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What else, blasting Galactus? Black Adam has gone through Spectre's head. Teth certainly has battle performances against various opponents to compete with Thanos (against JSA, for example) or high-feats (ripping Amazo's head off).
Because Thor and Surfer don't have comparable feats. lol
Billy has stalemated many of JLA's big guns while weakened (one of his hands was broken) and manhandled J'onn after being fully healed etc.
So your trying to say Thor couldn't do the same? Nice feat for Billy beat Thanos waded through Odin's attacks that K.o. Surfer and Drax in one shot.
Not to mention superior speed, magical amped punches.
And it's 2 against 1.
They're gonna get in a few shots and then slam their heads into his shield once he puts those up. See his fights with Champion and Fallen One to see how he uses them defensively and offensively. And magic is just another energy source. It's not like either of them can cast any spells. Their both gonna end up getting mind rape and smack around.
Why don't you post feats of either CM or BA consistently beating top tiers and herald level guys.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You guys are misunderstanding what Philo is saying
What he's trying to say is that both CM and Adam have feats that rival or is above Thanos' feats. Therefore, Thanos can't solo them. What he's ignoring is that those high end feats are performed by top tiers all the time. On average, however, they both are in a certain tier while Thanos is far above them.
This is simple:
1. The people that have given Thanos trouble or loses are around skyfather level or above.
2. Thanos almost always treats top tiers like children. No top tier has beaten him on their own without some kind of power up. When either CM and BA show this consistency, then there's a good argument for them beating Thanos.
Originally posted by kgkgYou're just going to ignore everything I post, call it a high-end feat and not applicable, while at the same time going through a generalized 'they are just top tiers, Thanos easily beats those!' statement? Amusing.
I see you posted some high end feats like doing well against the JSA , Sentinel , Fate , Amazo.So in your opinion BA , and CM are above Marvel Top tiers or even DC top tiers? If not I don't see what's the point posting those feat , I posted those feat for Thanos because Imo he can and will beat any High Herald easily.
Can CM or BA beat WW , Superman , MM , Hal easily in a 1 on 1?
Since you didn't answer this let me ask you again.
Team-busting is a norm for Black Adam, and he has repeatedly done so. Calling it a high-end feat is not only unsupported based on his established career, but also asinine considering he has repeatedly proved he operates at that level.
Your entire stance consists of..
*Going 'It's a high feat, I don't like it' cop-out answer to every argument that contradicts your stance while having no qualms at using Thanos against Odin.
*Saying that Thanos has shown to beat top-tiers thus it means he can beat them.
..which ignores a few parts that I specifically spelled out twice:
*This is a forum enviorment, so the characters will use their abilities, like speed, to their fullest and not run into punches/attacks.
*Thanos being superior to either one of them is inconsequential to the actual forum fight, since he fights both of them simultaneously and, eventough you like to ignore everything that doesn't suit you, their combat track record is quite good -- enough for them not to be left in the dust by Thanos.
Also notice how I didn't bring Superman at all in this -- not wanting to turn the thread into Clark vs Thanos. And I assure you, you don't want me to take the this twoards a Superman vs Thanos feat-war stance, since you'd lose especially considering the team has two of them. So I'd be careful into them being considered Superman level as an argument in Thanos' favor. Not only that but, I simply don't need to redirect this discussion into another one completly just because I don't have the actual track-record/feats to argue against Thanos -- I do, but I can't say the same for you since you want this to go into a Captain Marvel or Black Adam vs DC/Marvel top-tiers. Which, like I've repeated so many times, is inconsequential since this is not a one-on-one comic fight, but a two vs one full-capacity forum one. That is not to say they can't compete in that category too; they both have quite the amazing records against teams of top-tiers, the only ones against which they've directly shown as being equals in normal circumstances being eachother and Superman.
Unless you have anything else to add, I'm not really interested in pursuing a circular discussion.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingGlad to see you're keeping up.
What he's trying to say is that both CM and Adam have feats that rival or is above Thanos' feats.
Originally posted by Philosophía
This is Thanos against both of them simultaneously, not separatley. So while you could succesfully argue that Thanos is more impressive than either of them, it's simply not enough to say he could beat them at the same time.
Originally posted by Philosophía You're just going to ignore everything I post, call it a high-end feat and not applicable, while at the same time going through a generalized 'they are just top tiers, Thanos easily beats those!' statement? Amusing.I haven’t ignore anything you listing high-end feat is useless unless you believe that BA is greater than the likes of WW, Superman, Wally etc my fair large margin if not It’s pointless.
At the end of the day I will stick to 'they are just top tiers, Thanos easily beats those!' statement and not resort to BA , CM have high end feats to compete with Thanos because well Thanos beats people with better feat than BA , CM easily.
so again.
Originally posted by kgkg Thanos has shown to be much more durable than the likes of Surfer , Thor , Genis etc so for CM and BM to be close to Thanos's durability you must either think 1>BA , CM are vastly more durable than Marvel top tiers. If you do think this is the case than pick either character and I will show you how wrong that opinion is. 2>Or that Thanos is not much more durable than say Thor, Hulk, Surfer etc… Which is wrong also wrong when you have seen the upper limit of Thanos’s durability
Originally posted by Philosophía
I do, but I can't say the same for you since you want this to go into a Captain Marvel or Black Adam vs DC/Marvel top-tiers. Which, like I've repeated so many times, is inconsequential since this is not a one-on-one comic fight, but a two vs one full-capacity forum one. That is not to say they can't compete in that category too; they both have quite the amazing records against teams of top-tiers, the only ones against which they've directly shown as being equals in normal circumstances being eachother and Superman.
I’m not debating this, never did I say BA hasn’t done this. What you failed to realize is that many other High Herald characters has done the exact same thing. And Thanos beats these easily in marvel.
It is consequential because I’m claiming that Thanos can easily dispose of them in few shots and they are K.O'ed like Thor, or Surfer so comparing Marvel high herald to BA , CM is important here. Adding another guy who is pretty much a duplicate doesn’t change anything.
Originally posted by Philosophía Unless you have anything else to add, I'm not really interested in pursuing a circular discussion.Yes I'm getting bored to.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Little Philo... Are BA and CM top tiers for DC or above that level? It's a very simple question, and for some reason you just keep dancing around it.
Personally I think it's hard to put them above. They draw against Superman... in part due to magic advantage. Wonder Woman is an even match with Billy in strength (though she can use the lasso to win). J'onn has thrown down with them on roughly even terms too (like at the beginning of JLI).
Originally posted by xJLxKing
You guys are still under the impression that Philo believes Superman is only a High Herald. He knows that with feats, Superman is near Thanos level.
LOL LOL. Well he is in the minority JL, so that proves very little. Supes have TH3 F3ATS because he's the ultimate hero and has to win.. which includes many cases of CIS and PIS of his opponents aren't which aren't applicable on a KMC setting. Superman being as strong as he needs to be to save the universe is great for a good hero saves the day comics but isn't abided by on KMC for wins. Superman.. THanos level... Hey it's friday so lets keep bringing the jokes.
