I haven't read the entire debate, but if someone is claiming what Jlx is saying then, sure Superman is Thanos' level if not higher with his feats, but only if we use high end showings. We don't. We average shit out.
You don't see me go around claiming, Thor is one shotting Abstract level beings, trapping people in near indestructible vortexes, sending opponents flying into the Sun, demolishing multiple High Herald beings and lifting infinite weight, beating up Skyfather level beings in their realms, laughing off blasts from a Galaxy busting Odin, draining people of their life forces etc.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LOL LOL. Well he is in the minority JL, so that proves very little. Supes have TH3 F3ATS because he's the ultimate hero and has to win.. which includes many cases of CIS and PIS of his opponents aren't which aren't applicable on a KMC setting. Superman being as strong as he needs to be to save the universe is great for a good hero saves the day comics but isn't abided by on KMC for wins. Superman.. THanos level... Hey it's friday so lets keep bringing the jokes.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
It's not just about averaging them out Rage... it's also about taking into account the superman aura and his role as DC poster boy.. which causes extreme cases of PIS and CIS for many high feats.
OK, now even though your argument/interpretation stems from the ignorance in failing to understanding Superman, and the DC Universe as a whole - however, if it was to be accepted what would it change?
Nothing.
He has still performed these 'Superman poster boy PIS CIS high end feats' over and over and over again. It's not just some case SMvFL.
Originally posted by xJLxKing
Rage was near to what I think Philo was saying.If you use Thanos high feats(like taking Odin, Tyrant..etc), then we use High feats that Superman/BA/CM have. Get it?
No issue there in the least.... The problem is... Thanos doesn't have the low showings that Supes, CM and BA have. Thus that is how and why the averages are in favor of Thanos.
Originally posted by Nihilist
What about Thnos regular/standard feats then, like beating Surfer/Thor down easy.
Thanos has beaten Thor only once with his own abilities, and that was not easy. And not what I'd consider regular either, seeing Thor's confrontations with Thanos later on.
But yea, he might as well have Norrin on a leash.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thanos has beaten Thor only once with his own abilities, and that was not easy. And not what I'd consider regular either, seeing Thor's confrontations with Thanos later on.But yea, he might as well have Norrin on a leash.
two shotting him isn't easy? That put him down.. he only stated he needed a few more to kill him but Thor was already put down when Thanos buckled down. Thanos clones putting up a good fight with Thor i.e. simple gestures stopping Mjornir, leads one to believe the real thanos is that much better.
Originally posted by Spire
Well, no matter what anyone thinks of Thor in B&T, Thanos stalemated him.However it was only in a slugfest...
Also to be fair to Thanos, Thor did have the Power Gem. Thor would have to be at least a bit stronger in that case unless he was not using it, which I think he was.
Meh, Thanos used energy attacks and shields. A bit more than a slug fest.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
LOL LOL. Well he is in the minority JL, so that proves very little. Supes have TH3 F3ATS because he's the ultimate hero and has to win.. which includes many cases of CIS and PIS of his opponents aren't which aren't applicable on a KMC setting. Superman being as strong as he needs to be to save the universe is great for a good hero saves the day comics but isn't abided by on KMC for wins. Superman.. THanos level... Hey it's friday so lets keep bringing the jokes.
Superman's high feats are PIS and CIS... well... then there is enough CIS and PIS in his comics to truly say he is Thanos level. If CIS and PIS become the essential part of an character they sure as hell become a part of his powerset. Though every other hero would be promoted to an higher tier with Superman's feats, he isn't. I guess the hate is big, isn't it?
When I think about the Sentry, one feat is enough and everyone screams, Skyfather! Galactus level! Cube Being!...
Yes, Superman shouldn't be in the tier the people put him, he is to popular and he is no Sentry...
My point is.
Someone posted a high feat of Thanos and someone eles posted a high of BA. What's not to understand?
Also, this is a comic where characters wait 10-20 minutes talking or waiting for his opponent to charge up like in DBZ. They wont wait to get hit, or foolishly run into hits.
Finally, they are fighting Two guys not BA vs Thanos. It's practically 2x BA.
This is what I though Philo was trying to say
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Also to be fair to Thanos, Thor did have the Power Gem. Thor would have to be at least a bit stronger in that case unless he was not using it, which I think he was.Meh, Thanos used energy attacks and shields. A bit more than a slug fest.
Thor just H2H'd him. Also, it should be noted that when Thanos wanted to finish the fight, instead of dropping him with a punch or blast he went and force blocked him. 👇
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
two shotting him isn't easy? That put him down.. he only stated he needed a few more to kill him but Thor was already put down when Thanos buckled down. Thanos clones putting up a good fight with Thor i.e. simple gestures stopping Mjornir, leads one to believe the real thanos is that much better.
After Thanos was knocked down, he blasted Thor twice and said a few more blasts would have Thor down tooHe did not two shot him. And he never said a few more would kill him as I recall. As a matter of fact, the next time we see Thanos and Thor about 3 pages later, Thor is still on his knees, seemingly about to get up. Thor wasn't even out of that fight much less put down unless I'm missing a retelling of that fight.
Thanos clones? You mean Masterson stalemating the Thanos shade which had greater raw power than the real thing, and then temporarily dropping the Thanos that was later retconned into a high powered Thanos clone. He was not even defeated by an energy web cast by that Thanos when he was significantly amped. This isn't exactly helping your argument.
The Walker arc? I'm still not sure whether that was a force field or telekinesis.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.OlympusThor needed Thing to help him, and that was a far weaker pre res Thanos.
Thanos has beaten Thor only once with his own abilities, and that was not easy. And not what I'd consider regular either, seeing Thor's confrontations with Thanos later on.But yea, he might as well have Norrin on a leash.
Thanos floored him for a great length of time and was saved/stopped from been beaten on by the other heroes.
Other confrontations?....you mean when Thor sneak attacked him when he was fighting others in the IG saga, or when Thanos stopped his hammer like it was nothing.
Originally posted by Nihilist
Thor needed Thing to help him, and that was a far weaker pre res Thanos.Thanos floored him for a great length of time and was saved/stopped from been beaten on by the other heroes.
Other confrontations?....you mean when Thor sneak attacked him when he was fighting others in the IG saga, or when Thanos stopped his hammer like it was nothing.
Thing added absolutely nothing to that confrontation and you know that. Previously thing punched Thanos in the chest, and Thanos did not even seem to even acknowledge the hit. He then one shots Thing with a punch.
What do you mean floored him for a great length of time? Was there a retelling of the fight I missed? In that Annual, Thanos blasts Thor and says a few more would have Thor down. In the next scene, about 3 pages later, Thor is on his knee and is seemingly getting up.
The first time Thor attacks Thanos it is true he might have not seen Thor coming (This was the hammer throw incident.) and even at that moment, no other heroes were attacking Thanos. Thanos was standing alone right after killing Namor and She-Hulk. The next time Thor attacks Thanos, he does it straight up. The last time he attacks him, Spider-Man kicked Thanos in the face but his an annoyance at best. Either way, Spider-Man even screams, his all yours Thor.
Which time? In Infinity Gauntlet, he teleported it. In Captain Marvel he stopped it with either telekinesis or with a force field.